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Bobby Julich is 4th in the ProTour rankings. According to some of the
boneheads in this group, that means he really sucks.

The ProTour is top heavy with short stage races that are perfect for a guy
like Julich who is a decent climber and a very good time trialist. Julich
will never win a GT or a great single day classic (the types of races where
the sport's superstars shine).
-Mike

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Bobby Julich is 4th in the ProTour rankings. According to some of the
boneheads in this group, that means he really sucks.

Trolling for boneheads?

Mike Owens said:

The ProTour is top heavy with short stage races that are perfect for a guy
like Julich who is a decent climber and a very good time trialist. [...]

I saw bits of the Benelux Tour, where Julich looked around and about for
a few stages, but didn't seem to really excel until the final TT. Maybe
a ProTour winner needs different things to a WM or GT winner and that's
not necessarily a bad thing: it means winners of >1 will be all-rounders.

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Mike Owens said:

The ProTour is top heavy with short stage races that are perfect for a
guy
like Julich who is a decent climber and a very good time trialist. [...]

I saw bits of the Benelux Tour, where Julich looked around and about for
a few stages, but didn't seem to really excel until the final TT. Maybe
a ProTour winner needs different things to a WM or GT winner and that's
not necessarily a bad thing: it means winners of >1 will be all-rounders.

I'm sure glad that you guys aren't working out racing strategy for any good
riders. What is obvious is that you don't have a clue.

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Bobby Julich is 4th in the ProTour rankings. According to some of the
boneheads in this group, that means he really sucks.

Dumbass -

It doesn't have anything to do with his racing.

Booby's personality kinda sucks. Take away his personality and he's OK.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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Bobby Julich is 4th in the ProTour rankings. According to some of the
boneheads in this group, that means he really sucks.

Dumbass -

Take away his personality and he's OK.

Just like you. Have an nice day.

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Mike Owens said:

The ProTour is top heavy with short stage races that are perfect for a
guy
like Julich who is a decent climber and a very good time trialist. [...]

I saw bits of the Benelux Tour, where Julich looked around and about for
a few stages, but didn't seem to really excel until the final TT. Maybe
a ProTour winner needs different things to a WM or GT winner and that's
not necessarily a bad thing: it means winners of >1 will be all-rounders.

I'm sure glad that you guys aren't working out racing strategy for any
good riders. What is obvious is that you don't have a clue.

Dear Tom,
Over the past 5+ years, I have never thought you to be half the moron that
others make you out to be.

What exactly are you talking about? Julich is a decent climber and good
time trialist. He has won two short stage races this year in the Pro Tour
because he can hang around on the climbs and beat most others in the TT
which all these races culminate with. He cannot hang on the climbs day in
day out in the big GTs and he is nowhere near explosive enough to win a true
classic.

If I quickly name 8 of cycling's superstars I get in no particular order:
Boonen, Petacchi, Bettini, Di Luca, Ullrich, Armstrong, Simoni and Cunego.
These guys get the press and notoriety not the Julichs of the world.

Your response has nothing to do with MJ Ray's post either. I don't know how
you came to write about designing racing strategies but I would design a
strategy for Julich such that he be ready for 1 week stage races where he
can hang around the top of the GC until the TT where he can try and win.
We'll see if Bjarne is reading RBR.
-Mike

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"Mike Owens" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> The ProTour is top heavy with short stage races that are perfect for a
> guy
> like Julich who is a decent climber and a very good time trialist.
> [...]

I saw bits of the Benelux Tour, where Julich looked around and about for
a few stages, but didn't seem to really excel until the final TT. Maybe
a ProTour winner needs different things to a WM or GT winner and that's
not necessarily a bad thing: it means winners of >1 will be
all-rounders.

I'm sure glad that you guys aren't working out racing strategy for any
good riders. What is obvious is that you don't have a clue.

What exactly are you talking about? Julich is a decent climber and good
time trialist. He has won two short stage races this year in the Pro Tour
because he can hang around on the climbs and beat most others in the TT
which all these races culminate with. He cannot hang on the climbs day in
day out in the big GTs and he is nowhere near explosive enough to win a
true classic.

Try looking at the postings instead of describing Bobby Julich to me. The
way I read it here, Bobby was supposed to ride on the front and maybe
contend a sprint or two before they'd accept his second class TT win as the
real thing. Also we're supposed to believe that short stage races carry more
rating power than a Grand Tour.

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Your response has nothing to do with MJ Ray's post either. I don't know
how you came to write about designing racing strategies but I would design
a strategy for Julich such that he be ready for 1 week stage races where
he can hang around the top of the GC until the TT where he can try and
win. We'll see if Bjarne is reading RBR.

Well, apparently Bjarne is prescient since that's what Julich did - he won a
race by using his own talents instead of pretending to be something he
isn't.

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> "Mike Owens" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> The ProTour is top heavy with short stage races that are perfect for a
>> guy
>> like Julich who is a decent climber and a very good time trialist.
>> [...]
>
> I saw bits of the Benelux Tour, where Julich looked around and about
> for
> a few stages, but didn't seem to really excel until the final TT. Maybe
> a ProTour winner needs different things to a WM or GT winner and that's
> not necessarily a bad thing: it means winners of >1 will be
> all-rounders.

I'm sure glad that you guys aren't working out racing strategy for any
good riders. What is obvious is that you don't have a clue.

What exactly are you talking about? Julich is a decent climber and good
time trialist. He has won two short stage races this year in the Pro
Tour because he can hang around on the climbs and beat most others in the
TT which all these races culminate with. He cannot hang on the climbs
day in day out in the big GTs and he is nowhere near explosive enough to
win a true classic.

Try looking at the postings instead of describing Bobby Julich to me. The
way I read it here, Bobby was supposed to ride on the front and maybe
contend a sprint or two before they'd accept his second class TT win as
the real thing. Also we're supposed to believe that short stage races
carry more rating power than a Grand Tour.

Good idea. My internet searching skills are rudimentary, but I believe the
original post pointed out that Julich is near the top of the Pro Tour
standings and questioned why no one is talking about him or why people were
making fun of him (the whole "Booby Julich" thread I assume). I noted that
he is near the top because he excels in the short stage races and that no
one really talks much about him because, even in this newsgroup where 11
months of the year readers know that there exists teams other than
Discovery, the GT and classics "superstars" get the press. How you
construed this to have anything to do designing race tactics was beyond my
comprehension.
-Mike

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Your response has nothing to do with MJ Ray's post either. I don't know
how you came to write about designing racing strategies but I would
design a strategy for Julich such that he be ready for 1 week stage races
where he can hang around the top of the GC until the TT where he can try
and win. We'll see if Bjarne is reading RBR.

Well, apparently Bjarne is prescient since that's what Julich did - he won
a race by using his own talents instead of pretending to be something he
isn't.

Tom Kunich said:

I'm sure glad that you guys aren't working out racing strategy for any good
riders. What is obvious is that you don't have a clue.

At least some post about actual races instead of posts with only
criticism of other posts. Oh, wait a mo, where's the dele...

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Bobby Julich is 4th in the ProTour rankings. According to some of the
boneheads in this group, that means he really sucks.

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I think that you're assuming that was a specific attack on you instead
of a general comment on the entire thread.

Julich has had a remarkable year in which he has rediscovered himself.
He is getting older and that means that he is less likely to be
assigned as leader in a Grand Tour so it isn't remarkable that he
doesn't show well in them.

The implication that he isn't a class rider because he isn't the One
Day Classics rider or a Grand Tour Hopeful is less than accurate.

Compare his results last year to Peter Van Petegen whose is about his
age and certainly is recognized as a great cyclist.

Tom Kunich said:

I think that you're assuming that was a specific attack on you instead
of a general comment on the entire thread.

Julich has had a remarkable year in which he has rediscovered himself.
He is getting older and that means that he is less likely to be
assigned as leader in a Grand Tour so it isn't remarkable that he
doesn't show well in them.

The implication that he isn't a class rider because he isn't the One
Day Classics rider or a Grand Tour Hopeful is less than accurate.

Compare his results last year to Peter Van Petegen whose is about his
age and certainly is recognized as a great cyclist.

1. Who is Peter Van Petegen?

2. That's absurd. Petegem is renowned for winning two of the most
competitive and hard-fought races on the entire calendar. Julich has no
such claim to fame.

sonarrat said:

1. Who is Peter Van Petegen?
2. That's absurd. Petegem is renowned for

Who is Petegem?

Alright, I'll be nice and explain: in Dutch you always include the "van",
"van der", etc. So that's Van Petegem.

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Ewoud Dronkert said:

sonarrat said:

1. Who is Peter Van Petegen?
2. That's absurd. Petegem is renowned for

Who is Petegem?

Alright, I'll be nice and explain: in Dutch you always include the "van",
"van der", etc. So that's Van Petegem.

Forgive me, I had a wisdom tooth extraction yesterday morning. Still a
toss-up as to who was more wrong, though. 😉

sonarrat said:

Ewoud Dronkert said:

sonarrat said:

1. Who is Peter Van Petegen?
2. That's absurd. Petegem is renowned for

Who is Petegem?

Alright, I'll be nice and explain: in Dutch you always include the "van",
"van der", etc. So that's Van Petegem.

Forgive me, I had a wisdom tooth extraction yesterday morning. Still a
toss-up as to who was more wrong, though. 😉

Wimp excuse.

Steve

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Easy for you to say, tooth puller.:-)

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sonarrat said:

Ewoud Dronkert said:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:29:28 -0700, sonarrat wrote:

> 1. Who is Peter Van Petegen?
> 2. That's absurd. Petegem is renowned for

Who is Petegem?

Alright, I'll be nice and explain: in Dutch you always include the

"van",

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"van der", etc. So that's Van Petegem.

Forgive me, I had a wisdom tooth extraction yesterday morning. Still a
toss-up as to who was more wrong, though. 😉

Wimp excuse.

Steve

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tispectrum said:

Easy for you to say, tooth puller.:-)

Exactly!

Steve

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