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  1. A new cooking(?) technique. It sounds intriguing.
    Is it new? Worthwhile?
    I do like the idea of concentrated watermelon.

    Can a Tilia, http://www.tilia.com/
    or similar vacuum packer do this?

    I haven't posted the whole article, but you can get it by
    registering or using http://www.bugmenot.com/

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    Under Pressure

    By AMANDA HESSER
    Published: August 14, 2005

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/14/magazine/14CRYOVAC.html?th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all

    A few weeks ago at Per Se, Thomas Keller's four-star restaurant in New
    York City, a waiter set a salad of diced watermelon and hearts of
    peach palm in front of me. ''This is watermelon that has been
    Cryovacked,'' he explained. ''It's something new we're doing. I think
    you will like it.''

    This was a watershed moment on two accounts. First, because Keller had
    indeed managed to make something as mundane as watermelon taste
    different -- it had the crisp density of a McIntosh apple. But also
    because American dining has reached the level of sophistication at which
    a waiter will assume that a diner knows what ''Cryovacked'' is, and that
    this knowledge will enhance the experience of tasting diced watermelon.

    That won't be assumed here. ''Cryovacking'' is an industry term for
    putting food in a plastic bag and vacuum-packing it. Sometimes the food
    is then cooked in the bag. Other times, the pressure of the packing
    process is used to infuse flavors into ingredients. The watermelon, for
    instance, was vacuum-packed with 20 pounds of pressure per square
    centimeter, to compact the fruit's cells and concentrate its flavor. It
    had the texture of meat. Just the thing for backyard picnics.

    Cryovacking, which is more often called sous vide (French for ''under
    vacuum''😉, is poised to change the way restaurant chefs cook -- and like
    the Wolf stove and the immersion blender, it will probably trickle down
    to the home kitchen someday. Cryovacking has also given great momentum
    to the scientific cooking revolution of the last five years. Chefs have
    begun using techniques developed for industrial food production and
    advances in science to manipulate the chemical make-up of proteins,
    starches and fats to create new textures and flavors -- everything from
    fried mayonnaise to hot gelatins.

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    Dave S

  2. "Dave S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    A new cooking(?) technique. It sounds intriguing.
    Is it new? Worthwhile?
    I do like the idea of concentrated watermelon.

    Can a Tilia, http://www.tilia.com/
    or similar vacuum packer do this?

    I haven't posted the whole article, but you can get it by
    registering or using http://www.bugmenot.com/

    It is hardly new but seems to be gaining new acceptance as a "gourmet" as
    well as a commercial cooking method. Not for the home chef, apparently,
    because the equipment is quite expensive and it requires precise temperature
    control that is beyond the home kitchen. I am tempted to try cooking an egg
    at 64.5 degrees for 45 minutes!

    --
    Peter Aitken

  3. In article said:

    "Dave S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:Y7SLe.2487$Hf6.541@trndny07...

    Quoted message said:

    A new cooking(?) technique. It sounds intriguing.
    Is it new? Worthwhile?
    I do like the idea of concentrated watermelon.

    Can a Tilia, http://www.tilia.com/
    or similar vacuum packer do this?

    I haven't posted the whole article, but you can get it by
    registering or using http://www.bugmenot.com/

    It is hardly new but seems to be gaining new acceptance as a "gourmet" as
    well as a commercial cooking method. Not for the home chef, apparently,
    because the equipment is quite expensive and it requires precise temperature
    control that is beyond the home kitchen. I am tempted to try cooking an egg
    at 64.5 degrees for 45 minutes!

    Careful! The bloody thing might hatch first. ;-)

    Cheers, Phred.

    --
    [email hidden]

  4. I tried it. Perhaps my temps were a bit off, but I ended up with a very
    rubbery egg.

    Peter Aitken said:


    control that is beyond the home kitchen. I am tempted to try cooking an egg
    at 64.5 degrees for 45 minutes!

  5. "Hokan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I tried it. Perhaps my temps were a bit off, but I ended up with a very
    rubbery egg.

    Hmm, not encouraging. How did you regulate your temp?

    --
    Peter Aitken
    Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

  6. I put a big pot of water on the stove and brought it up to temp, then turned
    down the heat, and:
    1 waited 10 minutes,
    2 test the temp with instant-read thermometer
    3 If the temp was not right, goto 1.
    4 drop in egg, set timer.

    Peter Aitken said:

    "Hokan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I tried it. Perhaps my temps were a bit off, but I ended up with a very
    rubbery egg.

    Hmm, not encouraging. How did you regulate your temp?

  7. Hokan said:

    I put a big pot of water on the stove and brought it up to temp, then turned
    down the heat, and:
    1 waited 10 minutes,
    2 test the temp with instant-read thermometer
    3 If the temp was not right, goto 1.
    4 drop in egg, set timer.

    Peter Aitken said:

    "Hokan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I tried it. Perhaps my temps were a bit off, but I ended up with a very
    rubbery egg.

    Hmm, not encouraging. How did you regulate your temp?

    How can a boiled egg be so complicated? This is too weird.... are you
    trolling each other?

  8. In article <[email hidden]>, Peter

    Aitken said:

    It is hardly new but seems to be gaining new acceptance as a "gourmet" as
    well as a commercial cooking method. Not for the home chef, apparently,
    because the equipment is quite expensive and it requires precise temperature
    control that is beyond the home kitchen. I am tempted to try cooking an egg
    at 64.5 degrees for 45 minutes!

    I read the original article, but didn't understand it. Are Chefs
    preparing their signature dishes, say to 80% done, then cryovacking
    them for final preparation when ordered at table? Then does it take 45
    minutes or longer at low heat to finish the dish? I guess there's a
    continuity in flavor, but certainly no gain in time. And maybe a step
    toward selling those dishes in supermarkets, if the consumer can finish
    the dish at low slow heat. I guess if you want the "real" "original"
    flavor of an egg you'd just slurp down the albumin like the chick
    does.

  9. "Stark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Peter

    Aitken said:

    It is hardly new but seems to be gaining new acceptance as a "gourmet" as
    well as a commercial cooking method. Not for the home chef, apparently,
    because the equipment is quite expensive and it requires precise
    temperature
    control that is beyond the home kitchen. I am tempted to try cooking an
    egg
    at 64.5 degrees for 45 minutes!

    I read the original article, but didn't understand it. Are Chefs
    preparing their signature dishes, say to 80% done, then cryovacking
    them for final preparation when ordered at table? Then does it take 45
    minutes or longer at low heat to finish the dish? I guess there's a
    continuity in flavor, but certainly no gain in time. And maybe a step
    toward selling those dishes in supermarkets, if the consumer can finish
    the dish at low slow heat. I guess if you want the "real" "original"
    flavor of an egg you'd just slurp down the albumin like the chick
    does.

    The way I understand it is that the raw ingredients - meat, spices, etc. -
    are vacuum packed and cooked for a long time at a relatively low temp. For
    example lamb shanks might be cooked at 160 degrees f for 24 hours. They are
    cooled carefully (following a specified regimen) and stored. For serving
    they are reheated, opened, and served. Some procedures are more complex -
    for example a piece of meat might be browned in a skillet before being
    sealed and cooked. Some people use the sealing without cooking to change the
    texture - for example "compressed" watermelon.

    --
    Peter Aitken
    Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

  10. Peter Aitken said:

    For
    example lamb shanks might be cooked at 160 degrees f for 24 hours.

    They had a spot on Good Morning America talking about Cryovacking...
    the man said a lamb shank takes 36 hours.

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