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  1. Topic: natural cures

    The "USA Today" newspaper for Monday, August 8th, 2005 had an article about
    Kevin Trudeau's updated edition of his "Natural Cures" book. The article
    said due of the heavy airing of the the TV info-commericial, the "Natural
    Cures" book is almost at the top of best-selling books list.

    The article said several million copies of the updated book have been sold.

    Kevin T. in the book is quite "down" about humans consuming the dairy food
    (including cow's milk) group. He even provides a reference mention to the
    www.notmilk.com web site.

    So several million more persons can make a decision whether they should
    eliminate the dairy (& cow's milk) food group from their diet.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    George Lagergren said:

    Topic: natural cures

    The "USA Today" newspaper for Monday, August 8th, 2005 had an article about
    Kevin Trudeau's updated edition of his "Natural Cures" book. The article
    said due of the heavy airing of the the TV info-commericial, the "Natural
    Cures" book is almost at the top of best-selling books list.

    The article said several million copies of the updated book have been sold.

    Kevin T. in the book is quite "down" about humans consuming the dairy food
    (including cow's milk) group. He even provides a reference mention to the
    www.notmilk.com web site.

    So several million more persons can make a decision whether they should
    eliminate the dairy (& cow's milk) food group from their diet.

    And they can make this decision using a highly unreliable book.
    Swell. I know you think this is a good thing, George, but you're
    wrong.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and
    natural things that money can buy."
    -- Steve Martin

  3. "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Topic: natural cures

    The "USA Today" newspaper for Monday, August 8th, 2005 had an article
    about
    Kevin Trudeau's updated edition of his "Natural Cures" book. The
    article
    said due of the heavy airing of the the TV info-commericial, the "Natural
    Cures" book is almost at the top of best-selling books list.

    The article said several million copies of the updated book have been
    sold.

    Kevin T. in the book is quite "down" about humans consuming the dairy food
    (including cow's milk) group. He even provides a reference mention to
    the
    www.notmilk.com web site.

    So several million more persons can make a decision whether they should
    eliminate the dairy (& cow's milk) food group from their diet.

    George, when it comes to loony tunes, you are more melodic than most.

  4. "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Topic: natural cures

    The "USA Today" newspaper for Monday, August 8th, 2005 had an article
    about
    Kevin Trudeau's updated edition of his "Natural Cures" book. The
    article
    said due of the heavy airing of the the TV info-commericial, the "Natural
    Cures" book is almost at the top of best-selling books list.

    The article said several million copies of the updated book have been
    sold.

    Kevin T. in the book is quite "down" about humans consuming the dairy food
    (including cow's milk) group. He even provides a reference mention to
    the
    www.notmilk.com web site.

    So several million more persons can make a decision whether they should
    eliminate the dairy (& cow's milk) food group from their diet.

    George, when it comes to loony tunes, you are more melodic than most.

  5. George Lagergren said:

    Topic: natural cures

    The "USA Today" newspaper for Monday, August 8th, 2005 had an article about
    Kevin Trudeau's updated edition of his "Natural Cures" book. The article
    said due of the heavy airing of the the TV info-commericial, the "Natural
    Cures" book is almost at the top of best-selling books list.

    http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzfill4375610aug08,0,6175180.story

    "Now the New York State Consumer Protection Board is warning consumers
    and asking cable stations to pull the ad, only the second time the board
    has issued a warning about an infomercial.

    The Federal Trade Commission has prosecuted several cases against
    infomercials in the past decade, including recent lawsuits against the
    weight-loss supplement CortiSlim and Q-ray, the "pain-relieving
    bracelet." There are 378 individuals and companies under order or named
    as defendants in FTC law enforcement actions related to infomercials,
    primarily over unsubstantiated claims on the products' performance.
    Since 1989, the actions have led to judgments of more than $711 million
    in consumer compensation and civil penalties."

    An unrepentent, career quack.

    Quoted message said:

    The article said several million copies of the updated book have been sold.

    What was told to P. T. Barnum?

  6. Kevin Trudeau is a convicted felon, he is a crook with a long history of
    scams to seperate people from their money:

    http://skepdic.com/trudeau.html

  7. George Lagergren said:

    The "USA Today" newspaper for Monday, August 8th, 2005 had an article about
    Kevin Trudeau's updated edition of his "Natural Cures" book. The article
    said due of the heavy airing of the the TV info-commericial, the "Natural
    Cures" book is almost at the top of best-selling books list.

    And, why NOT just use the Internet?

    My search page, for example
    http://contact.naturalhealthperspective.com/search.html
    has hyperlinks to two different alternative health databases, plus many
    other useful links for researching health information.

    Best of all, it is FREE.
    --
    john gohde
    http://contact.naturalhealthperspective.com/search.html

  8. To quoate you, "how would we know" scientifically your claims are
    effective without the same scientific research methods you decry?

    ""The usual stuff you hear in the media are studies of a "surrogate
    markers" that "correlate" with "endpoints." That kind of thing will
    never be real science, but only a way to sell you drugs that are
    ineffective and dangerous. Your body can take care of itself, if it's
    getting what it needs and if toxins (such as highly polyunsaturated
    fat sources) are avoided. There is no mystery, and no need for
    surrogate markers, correlations, and endpoints either.""

  9. This brings up an interesting point. In teaching the history of
    science, the scientific method is stressed (in my classes, anyway).
    Harvey's circulation of the blood, for example, can be verified by
    observation. It never fails. The laws of motion can be verified so
    that it is clear they are valid (at least under the conditions Newton
    and his contemporaries could imagine).

    Let's say shark cartilidge in some concoction can cure a specific
    cancer. How would we know? How much evidence would be required to
    validate the claim? Suppose it seemed to cure 90% of the cancers in
    dogs - would that be good enough? If the establishment doesn't like
    these guys, then perhaps they should specify the guidelines that are
    acceptable to them. They won't, and the reason is that very toxic and
    expensive drugs are being prescribed to cancer patients and other very
    sick people. Are these drugs "cures?" No, in most cases they extend
    life a couple of months, statistically, and cause nasty side-effects.
    Who is the real snake oil salesman here?

    This is why I post here, that is, to explain how real, basic science
    can be applied to diet in the prevention of "disease" context. The
    usual stuff you hear in the media are studies of a "surrogate markers"
    that "correlate" with "endpoints." That kind of thing will never be
    real science, but only a way to sell you drugs that are ineffective and
    dangerous. Your body can take care of itself, if it's getting what it
    needs and if toxins (such as highly polyunsaturated fat sources) are
    avoided. There is no mystery, and no need for surrogate markers,
    correlations, and endpoints either.

  10. "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Topic: natural cures

    The "USA Today" newspaper for Monday, August 8th, 2005 had an article
    about
    Kevin Trudeau's updated edition of his "Natural Cures" book. The
    article
    said due of the heavy airing of the the TV info-commericial, the "Natural
    Cures" book is almost at the top of best-selling books list.

    http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/trudeau.html

    Quoted message said:

    The article said several million copies of the updated book have been
    sold.

    Kevin T. in the book is quite "down" about humans consuming the dairy food
    (including cow's milk) group. He even provides a reference mention to
    the
    www.notmilk.com web site.

    Quoted message said:

    So several million more persons can make a decision whether they should
    eliminate the dairy (& cow's milk) food group from their diet.

    There are a million suckers born every year.
    Thanks for giving us a chance to debunk Trudeau's bunk.
    I imagine his book's TV misinfo-mercial will be busted any moment.

  11. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Kevin Trudeau is a convicted felon, he is a crook with a long history of
    scams to seperate people from their money:

    http://skepdic.com/trudeau.html

    Just look at the sordid company you're keeping, Georgie Boy.

    GWC

  12. Topic: natural cures

    Quoted message said:

    George Lagergren <[email hidden]> wrote:
    The "USA Today" newspaper for Monday, August 8th, 2005 had an article about
    Kevin Trudeau's updated edition of his "Natural Cures" book. The article
    said due of the heavy airing of the the TV info-commericial, the "Natural
    Cures" book is almost at the top of best-selling books list.

    The article said several million copies of the updated book have been sold.

    Kevin T. in the book is quite "down" about humans consuming the dairy food
    (including cow's milk) group. He even provides a reference mention to


    the

    Quoted message said:

    www.notmilk.com web site.

    So several million more persons can make a decision whether they should
    eliminate the dairy (& cow's milk) food group from their diet.

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    And they can make this decision using a highly unreliable book.
    Swell. I know you think this is a good thing, George, but you're
    wrong.

    If as the www.foodallergy.org web site suggests that allergy to
    cow's milk is the number one food allergy, the anti-dairy and anti-cow's
    milk discussion and the web sites of www.notmilk.com and
    www.panix.com/~nomilk will NEVER go away.

    Look at the shelf space given to rice and soy milk in the milk
    section at the grocery store.

  13. On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:50:28 GMT, "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Topic: natural cures

    Quoted message said:

    George Lagergren <[email hidden]> wrote:
    The "USA Today" newspaper for Monday, August 8th, 2005 had an article about
    Kevin Trudeau's updated edition of his "Natural Cures" book. The article
    said due of the heavy airing of the the TV info-commericial, the "Natural
    Cures" book is almost at the top of best-selling books list.

    The article said several million copies of the updated book have been sold.

    Kevin T. in the book is quite "down" about humans consuming the dairy food
    (including cow's milk) group. He even provides a reference mention to


    the

    Quoted message said:

    www.notmilk.com web site.

    So several million more persons can make a decision whether they should
    eliminate the dairy (& cow's milk) food group from their diet.

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    And they can make this decision using a highly unreliable book.
    Swell. I know you think this is a good thing, George, but you're
    wrong.

    If as the www.foodallergy.org web site suggests that allergy to
    cow's milk is the number one food allergy, the anti-dairy and anti-cow's
    milk discussion and the web sites of www.notmilk.com and
    www.panix.com/~nomilk will NEVER go away.

    Look at the shelf space given to rice and soy milk in the milk
    section at the grocery store.

    Look at the shelf space given to cereals in the grocery store.

    The cereal makers can't very well sell their cereals if people don't pour milk
    on it. So there are alternate forms of "milk" for those who don't want to use
    the real stuff.

    But the fact remains that bad-mouthing milk does not deter those who use it with
    no problems. We are not all the same but the anti-milk faction seems to think
    so. Or maybe the originators of that faction are pushing soy and rice.

    Ora

  14. Topic: natural cures

    Quoted message said:

    George Lagergren <[email hidden]> wrote:
    If as the www.foodallergy.org web site suggests that allergy to
    cow's milk is the number one food allergy, the anti-dairy and anti-cow's
    milk discussion and the web sites of www.notmilk.com and
    www.panix.com/~nomilk will NEVER go away.

    Look at the shelf space given to rice and soy milk in the milk
    section at the grocery store.

    Quoted message said:

    Ora <[email hidden]> wrote:
    Look at the shelf space given to cereals in the grocery store.

    The cereal makers can't very well sell their cereals if people don't pour


    milk

    Quoted message said:

    on it. So there are alternate forms of "milk" for those who don't want


    to use

    Quoted message said:

    the real stuff.

    But the rice milk and soy milk drinkers must have reasons why
    they have decided NOT to drink cow's milk.

    btw, when I stopped drinking cow's milk, I also stopped eating
    cereal, too.

    Quoted message said:


    But the fact remains that bad-mouthing milk does not deter those who use


    it with

    Quoted message said:

    no problems. We are not all the same but the anti-milk faction seems to


    think

    Quoted message said:

    so. Or maybe the originators of that faction are pushing soy and rice.

    But the certain percentage (say, 10% to 40%) of folks who can
    NOT tolerate cow's milk due to lactose and casein protein issues is a
    sufficient number of people now to keep the anti-dairy and anti-cow's milk
    situation in the news and public awareness. Thus, expect the
    "bad-mouthing" of cow's milk to continue.

  15. Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:50:28 GMT, "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Topic: natural cures

    Quoted message said:

    George Lagergren <[email hidden]> wrote:
    The "USA Today" newspaper for Monday, August 8th, 2005 had an article about
    Kevin Trudeau's updated edition of his "Natural Cures" book. The article
    said due of the heavy airing of the the TV info-commericial, the "Natural
    Cures" book is almost at the top of best-selling books list.

    The article said several million copies of the updated book have been sold.

    Kevin T. in the book is quite "down" about humans consuming the dairy food
    (including cow's milk) group. He even provides a reference mention to


    the

    Quoted message said:

    www.notmilk.com web site.

    So several million more persons can make a decision whether they should
    eliminate the dairy (& cow's milk) food group from their diet.

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    And they can make this decision using a highly unreliable book.
    Swell. I know you think this is a good thing, George, but you're
    wrong.

    If as the www.foodallergy.org web site suggests that allergy to
    cow's milk is the number one food allergy, the anti-dairy and anti-cow's
    milk discussion and the web sites of www.notmilk.com and
    www.panix.com/~nomilk will NEVER go away.

    Look at the shelf space given to rice and soy milk in the milk
    section at the grocery store.

    Look at the shelf space given to cereals in the grocery store.

    The cereal makers can't very well sell their cereals if people don't pour milk
    on it. So there are alternate forms of "milk" for those who don't want to use
    the real stuff.

    But the fact remains that bad-mouthing milk does not deter those who use it with
    no problems. We are not all the same but the anti-milk faction seems to think
    so. Or maybe the originators of that faction are pushing soy and rice.

    Ora

    Actually the site owner is Robert Cohen who is pushing soy milk and his machine
    to make it. He created the site in 1998 to push his book then went into the soy
    milk machine business. Do a Google search on

    soy milk +"Robert Cohen"

    and your eyes will be opened.

    Ora

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