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  1. He was right here:

    33 deg 19 min 24.44 sec N
    112 deg 03 min 00.80 sec W

    (Go to earth.google.com and get your mind blown for an
    hour or two, then find that spot to see where he was.)

    He might be gone by now, but I was gone before he had
    a chance to decide, so he might still be there.

    I was on my MTB this morning (because, as the thread about
    my wheel troubles in r.b.t indicates, my road bike was Not
    In Service), which I almost never ride.

    But I've ridden it 3 times in the past week, so I thought
    I'd go a little more technical, and do the whole Desert
    Classic Trail through South Mountain Park, which I've never
    been able to do on foot. I've done it to the same point
    in the middle from either end, but end-to-end is not
    feasible in a couple of hours hiking without someone
    else's car parked at the outlet.

    So I was taking some terrain I've never seen on a bike
    before, and doing things much more technical than I've
    ever done on an MTB (I've ridden it maybe 8 times since
    I bought it ten years ago, almost always on well-groomed
    dirt roads or hard, flat, vacant spaces).

    And I was just getting back on after hoofing over some
    big rocks, and focussing on trying to maintain speed
    uphill and pick my line, when there he was.

    I don't know what sort of metaphor he started out as: An
    exposed cactus root, a buried rock with its spine showing,
    two lizards end-to-end. But he quickly became exactly what
    he is: A rattlesnake interrupted while crossing the trail,
    who coils up in the proper collection of curves to strike
    at something least half his body length away.

    I stopped a good 5 times that distance from him and checked
    him out.

    He was maybe 2.5 or 3 feet long, with 6 or 7 sets of rattles,
    none of which was making any noise. His tongue was flicking
    out of his head, which was an inch or so across.

    I wouldn't be any sort of prey to him. He looked like he
    would be more interested in the local ground squirrels,
    which are like medium-sized chipmunks but are a solid
    color like desert sand, and have a scrubby, bristly tail
    that sticks straight up like a flag when they run.

    But I didn't want to see how brave he'd be in the face
    of an imminent stepping-on. And I didn't want to guess
    wrong on whether they're as solitary as I think I seem
    to remember being told they are.

    I've seen a few before. Had two removed from my back yard,
    and one removed from the cul de sac out front. Which, really,
    is no better than clubbing them with a 9-iron, because relocating
    a rattlesnake reportedly causes them enough stress that they
    die shortly thereafter anyway.

    But this is the first time I've encountered one on his
    turf instead of mine. So I let him rule it.

    I was near the halfway point for distance, and past the
    halfway point for a normal day's ride, time-wise. So
    I just turned around and tried to use my new knowledge of
    the terrain to stay on the bike a bit more. And it worked.

    I didn't pay special attention to looking out for more
    snakes. Maybe a good thing, maybe a bad thing. I figure
    the greater danger was still from an unseen rounded pebble
    on top of soft sand.

    Because if I hit one of those, I was sure, I'd have been
    dumped into a bush that could have held several unseen
    rattlesnakes, black widows, scorpions, and gila monsters.

    Like I said. It was a technical ride.

    --Blair
    "Bicycling is FUN!"

  2. Blair P. Houghton said:

    He was right here:

    33 deg 19 min 24.44 sec N
    112 deg 03 min 00.80 sec W

    (Go to earth.google.com and get your mind blown for an
    hour or two, then find that spot to see where he was.)

    He might be gone by now, but I was gone before he had
    a chance to decide, so he might still be there.

    I was on my MTB this morning (because, as the thread about
    my wheel troubles in r.b.t indicates, my road bike was Not
    In Service), which I almost never ride.

    But I've ridden it 3 times in the past week, so I thought
    I'd go a little more technical, and do the whole Desert
    Classic Trail through South Mountain Park, which I've never
    been able to do on foot. I've done it to the same point
    in the middle from either end, but end-to-end is not
    feasible in a couple of hours hiking without someone
    else's car parked at the outlet.

    So I was taking some terrain I've never seen on a bike
    before, and doing things much more technical than I've
    ever done on an MTB (I've ridden it maybe 8 times since
    I bought it ten years ago, almost always on well-groomed
    dirt roads or hard, flat, vacant spaces).

    And I was just getting back on after hoofing over some
    big rocks, and focussing on trying to maintain speed
    uphill and pick my line, when there he was.

    I don't know what sort of metaphor he started out as: An
    exposed cactus root, a buried rock with its spine showing,
    two lizards end-to-end. But he quickly became exactly what
    he is: A rattlesnake interrupted while crossing the trail,
    who coils up in the proper collection of curves to strike
    at something least half his body length away.

    I stopped a good 5 times that distance from him and checked
    him out.

    He was maybe 2.5 or 3 feet long, with 6 or 7 sets of rattles,
    none of which was making any noise. His tongue was flicking
    out of his head, which was an inch or so across.

    I wouldn't be any sort of prey to him. He looked like he
    would be more interested in the local ground squirrels,
    which are like medium-sized chipmunks but are a solid
    color like desert sand, and have a scrubby, bristly tail
    that sticks straight up like a flag when they run.

    But I didn't want to see how brave he'd be in the face
    of an imminent stepping-on. And I didn't want to guess
    wrong on whether they're as solitary as I think I seem
    to remember being told they are.

    I've seen a few before. Had two removed from my back yard,
    and one removed from the cul de sac out front. Which, really,
    is no better than clubbing them with a 9-iron, because relocating
    a rattlesnake reportedly causes them enough stress that they
    die shortly thereafter anyway.

    But this is the first time I've encountered one on his
    turf instead of mine. So I let him rule it.

    I was near the halfway point for distance, and past the
    halfway point for a normal day's ride, time-wise. So
    I just turned around and tried to use my new knowledge of
    the terrain to stay on the bike a bit more. And it worked.

    I didn't pay special attention to looking out for more
    snakes. Maybe a good thing, maybe a bad thing. I figure
    the greater danger was still from an unseen rounded pebble
    on top of soft sand.

    Because if I hit one of those, I was sure, I'd have been
    dumped into a bush that could have held several unseen
    rattlesnakes, black widows, scorpions, and gila monsters.

    Like I said. It was a technical ride.

    --Blair
    "Bicycling is FUN!"

    Good Lord, Blair -- was seeing a snake REALLY that
    shocking/upsetting/newsworthy?!? We see tons of 'em out here in LoSoCal...

    Bill "big 'uns, too" S.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Good Lord, Blair -- was seeing a snake REALLY that
    shocking/upsetting/newsworthy?!? We see tons of 'em out here in
    LoSoCal...

    Bill "big 'uns, too" S.

    I was out on an easy mountain bike ride with my kids and newphew
    (Arastradero Preserve near Palo Alto) and I'm heading down a trail, a bit
    ahead of the kids, and come across a snake on the trail. Now, I'm kinda
    strange... when I see snakes on the road (which is often the case on the
    lower part of Tunitas Creek, and sometimes the west side of Old LaHonda), I
    always stop to pick them up and get them off the road, since they'll
    otherwise join their brothers and sisters as roadkill, which I see quite a
    lot of. So I'm stopping and thinking about moving him, when I notice he's
    BIG. Really BIG. I mean this was the biggest snake I'd seen outside of a
    zoo. So I'm thinking maybe he won't be the easiest thing to move, heck, it
    might not even be wise. And then I hear the noise, about the same time I
    hear the rattle. He never coiled up, but I kept a fair distance anyway.

    And what about the camera in my back pocket? Dang, it never even crossed my
    mind!!! At least not until about 20 seconds after the snake had crossed the
    trail, and I'd gotten the kids safely through that section. Dang.

    I'm told that rattlesnakes are really common at Arastradero, but this was
    the first time I'd ever seen one in the wild. Since then I've seen one other
    live one (very small) and one roadkill.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    Good Lord, Blair -- was seeing a snake REALLY that
    shocking/upsetting/newsworthy?!? We see tons of 'em out here in
    LoSoCal...

    Bill "big 'uns, too" S.

    snip
    I'm told that rattlesnakes are really common at Arastradero, but this was
    the first time I'd ever seen one in the wild. Since then I've seen one other
    live one (very small) and one roadkill.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    I give them a WIDE berth!

    Saw a piece on Discovery Channel, a slow motion sequence of a rattle
    snake striking a baloon. The snake had allready recoiled from the first
    strike before the ballon burst.

    WOW!

    HAND
    Keep away from snikes, mait!

  5. H M Leary said:

    I give them a WIDE berth!

    Saw a piece on Discovery Channel, a slow motion sequence of a rattle
    snake striking a baloon. The snake had allready recoiled from the first
    strike before the ballon burst.

    WOW!

    HAND
    Keep away from snikes, mait!

    Good advice. Growing up in the southwest, we were taught to always
    assume every snake was poisonous until we were able to absolutely
    determine it wasn't.

  6. "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    And what about the camera in my back pocket? Dang, it never even crossed


    my

    Quoted message said:

    mind!!! At least not until about 20 seconds after the snake had crossed


    the

    Quoted message said:

    trail, and I'd gotten the kids safely through that section. Dang.

    I was up at Saratoga Country Club, which borders the Fremont Older preserve
    (my mountain biking reference). Just as the kids piled out of their SUVs on
    a mad rush for their tennis clinic a rattlesnake comes slithering down the
    path between them and the lesson court. Being boys in the seven to ten year
    old age range, their first, and only instinct, was to try and grab the
    snake. Despite yells of "No! Stay away! Rattlesnake! Danger!" from many
    adults they still headed for the snake, which luckily fell into a grate
    before they could reach him. So, I understand how getting the kids safely
    through that section would take your mind off pictures.

    And for those mountain biking in Fremont Older. Yes, there are rattlesnakes
    and mountain lions there. Stay alert.

  7. Cathy Kearns said:

    And for those mountain biking in Fremont Older. Yes, there are rattlesnakes
    and mountain lions there. Stay alert.

    While I wouldn't argue with the idea that staying alert is always a
    good idea you also have to look at the real risk involved--which is
    miniscule. The total number of human deaths from mountain lions in the
    US for the past 100 years is something on the order of 15. Any attack
    always makes the national news and is quite spectacular but from a
    statistical point of view there is not much to worry about. I do a lot
    of back country hiking in ML country and while I'm sure they have sen
    me I 've never seen one of them.

    As too rattlesnakes. I live in southern AZ and there are rattelsnakes
    all over the place. We see them all the time. Bites are pretty rare
    (relative to encounters) and can usually be related to some pretty bad
    lapses in judgement like: 1) trying to pick one up or poking at it (too
    common behavior among young males) 2) walking around the desert in flip
    flops or sandals, 3) putting hands or feet win places you can't see.

    Unlike ML's I see rattlers all the time but have never been in a
    situation I thought to be dangerous.

    Anyway, my point is simply that the risks to cyclists from wildlife is
    really pretty far down on the list-- assuming any sort of good
    judgement in one's behavior.

  8. gds said:
    Cathy Kearns said:

    And for those mountain biking in Fremont Older. Yes, there are rattlesnakes
    and mountain lions there. Stay alert.

    While I wouldn't argue with the idea that staying alert is always a
    good idea you also have to look at the real risk involved--which is
    miniscule. The total number of human deaths from mountain lions in the
    US for the past 100 years is something on the order of 15. Any attack
    always makes the national news and is quite spectacular but from a
    statistical point of view there is not much to worry about. I do a lot
    of back country hiking in ML country and while I'm sure they have sen
    me I 've never seen one of them.

    As too rattlesnakes. I live in southern AZ and there are rattelsnakes
    all over the place. We see them all the time. Bites are pretty rare
    (relative to encounters) and can usually be related to some pretty bad
    lapses in judgement like: 1) trying to pick one up or poking at it (too
    common behavior among young males) 2) walking around the desert in flip
    flops or sandals, 3) putting hands or feet win places you can't see.

    Unlike ML's I see rattlers all the time but have never been in a
    situation I thought to be dangerous.

    Anyway, my point is simply that the risks to cyclists from wildlife is
    really pretty far down on the list-- assuming any sort of good
    judgement in one's behavior.

    Yep. It is highly unlikely a snake would attack a cyclist, much less
    likely one could connect unless you are riding over one. Snakes can
    only launch, at the best, 2/3 of their length and then only if coiled.
    4' is really big for a rattler, so figure you would need to be within
    less than 3' from a coiled big one before the snake even has a chance.
    So keep back and you will not have any problems.

    Funny how this thread comes up at least once a year and the doomsayers
    are all for eradicating all the snakes. Predictable.

    - rick

  9. Mike Jacoubowsky said:
    Quoted message said:

    Good Lord, Blair -- was seeing a snake REALLY that
    shocking/upsetting/newsworthy?!? We see tons of 'em out here in
    LoSoCal...

    Bill "big 'uns, too" S.

    I was out on an easy mountain bike ride with my kids and newphew
    (Arastradero Preserve near Palo Alto) and I'm heading down a trail, a bit
    ahead of the kids, and come across a snake on the trail. Now, I'm kinda
    strange... when I see snakes on the road (which is often the case on the
    lower part of Tunitas Creek, and sometimes the west side of Old LaHonda), I
    always stop to pick them up and get them off the road, since they'll
    otherwise join their brothers and sisters as roadkill, which I see quite a
    lot of. So I'm stopping and thinking about moving him, when I notice he's
    BIG. Really BIG. I mean this was the biggest snake I'd seen outside of a
    zoo. So I'm thinking maybe he won't be the easiest thing to move, heck, it
    might not even be wise. And then I hear the noise, about the same time I
    hear the rattle. He never coiled up, but I kept a fair distance anyway.

    Eeekkkk.... we don't have any poisonous snakes around here- just garter
    snakes. In fact, on a ride recently, we stopped to stretch and saw
    shedded snake skins in the grass. I picked them up- they kind of look
    like condoms with scales. It was the first time I ever saw snakeskins
    like tbat.

  10. Rick said:


    Funny how this thread comes up at least once a year and the doomsayers
    are all for eradicating all the snakes. Predictable.

    Well, a live snake may only have a fraction of a chance of attacking,
    but a dead snake has _no_ chance of attacking...

    --
    Robert Uhl <http://public.xdi.org/=ruhl>
    Es is nicht gasagt das es besser wird wenn es anders wirt. Wenn es
    aber besser werden soll muss es anders werden. --G. Ch. Lichtenberg

  11. Robert Uhl said:

    Well, a live snake may only have a fraction of a chance of attacking,
    but a dead snake has _no_ chance of attacking...

    Well that is sure an environmentally sound position. What else should
    we kill on the off chance they might attack you?

  12. Robert Uhl said:
    Rick said:


    Funny how this thread comes up at least once a year and the doomsayers
    are all for eradicating all the snakes. Predictable.

    Well, a live snake may only have a fraction of a chance of attacking,
    but a dead snake has _no_ chance of attacking...

    And the irony of this is that someone trying to kill a snake increases
    their risk of being bitten. So you have a transition:

    Live snake - low chance of being bitten
    Snake being killed - higher chance of being bitten
    Dead snake - no chance of being bitten

    Another problem is that a dead snake still has venom, and there are
    incidents where folks handling dead snakes have, in essence, caused
    snake bites.

    I love it; a yahoo kills a snake and the snake incapacitates or kills
    the yahoo.

    - rick

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Robert Uhl <http://public.xdi.org/=ruhl>
    Es is nicht gasagt das es besser wird wenn es anders wirt. Wenn es
    aber besser werden soll muss es anders werden. --G. Ch. Lichtenberg

  13. "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Good Lord, Blair -- was seeing a snake REALLY that
    shocking/upsetting/newsworthy?!? We see tons of 'em out here in
    LoSoCal...

    Bill "big 'uns, too" S.


    Snakes, pshaw! We see alligators here in Florida. :-)

  14. what equipment do you use to track your route so accurately? i need to
    use GPS or something on my bike

  15. Rick said:

    I love it; a yahoo kills a snake and the snake incapacitates or kills
    the yahoo.

    The incapacitation or death wouldn't be so bad.

    But the pictures I've seen of untreatable necrotic skin...

    --Blair
    "You don't want that."

  16. gds said:

    Well that is sure an environmentally sound position. What else should
    we kill on the off chance they might attack you?

    There's a popular hiking trail near here that is notorious for its
    rattlesnakes. People have been killing them for so long that natural
    selection took a hand, and there are now rattlesnakes without rattles up
    there.
    And probably a surplus of disease-ridden rodents too.

    Bill

    --------------------------------------------------------------
    | They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little |
    | temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. |
    | --Benjamin Franklin |
    --------------------------------------------------------------

  17. Bill Sornson said:

    Good Lord, Blair -- was seeing a snake REALLY that
    shocking/upsetting/newsworthy?!? We see tons of 'em out here in LoSoCal...

    I'd rather see a Yugo full of insurgents and twisted wires.

    --Blair
    "And it wasn't a snake. I like snakes.
    It was a self-propelled poison pump
    on a self-preservation hair trigger."

  18. mister coffee said:

    what equipment do you use to track your route so accurately? i need to
    use GPS or something on my bike

    I fired up Google Earth, applied the burned-in sense memory
    of the near-poisoning encounter, and traced the trail
    to the two bushes next to the path where it jogs to
    make the ascent up the ridge. (It's Arizona. Natural
    groundcover is sparse and changes very slowly, so 4-5
    year old satellite photos of the desert are pretty much
    "current".)

    To make it easier, when you're in the program, type Ctrl-L
    (or click on the "View" menu then check "Lat/Lon Grid"😉.

    --Blair
    "You think rattlesnakes know they're both
    above and below us on the food chain?"

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