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  1. Alright, this is sort of cooking, sort of dietary/nutrition, sort of a
    collection of other things, so I am putting it here and a couple other
    places to get a nice, wide ranging response.

    Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is going
    to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time. As it
    turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished. I
    REALLY REALLY want to avoid the ramen, pizza, and hot dogs menu route
    of many college students. So, to that end, I am collecting advice from
    cooks and other people who know a lot about food.

    Here is a bit about me so you can know what you are working with.

    6 foot 4, 170 lbs.
    I play competitive club ultimate frisbee, so I engage in strenuous
    exercise 10-15 hours a week. I use a ton of energy, so it takes a lot
    of food to keep me going.
    I am also planning on starting weightlifting, something I have never
    really done before. So, whatever dietary changes that should cause
    should be included.

    2 questions:

    #1
    what does a guy like me eat to keep my energy up and try to establish
    healthy eating habits for life?
    #2
    How do I cook that?

    Submit whatever you like. 1 meal, a weeklong menu/meal plan, 1 recipe,
    whatever you please.

    Thanks!!!

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Head Beagle said:

    Alright, this is sort of cooking, sort of dietary/nutrition, sort of a
    collection of other things, so I am putting it here and a couple other
    places to get a nice, wide ranging response.

    Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is going
    to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time. As it
    turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished. I
    REALLY REALLY want to avoid the ramen, pizza, and hot dogs menu route
    of many college students. So, to that end, I am collecting advice from
    cooks and other people who know a lot about food.

    Here is a bit about me so you can know what you are working with.

    6 foot 4, 170 lbs.
    I play competitive club ultimate frisbee, so I engage in strenuous
    exercise 10-15 hours a week. I use a ton of energy, so it takes a lot
    of food to keep me going.
    I am also planning on starting weightlifting, something I have never
    really done before. So, whatever dietary changes that should cause
    should be included.

    2 questions:

    #1
    what does a guy like me eat to keep my energy up and try to establish
    healthy eating habits for life?
    #2
    How do I cook that?

    Submit whatever you like. 1 meal, a weeklong menu/meal plan, 1 recipe,
    whatever you please.

    Thanks!!!

    You may try going to the bookstore so you have a good reference.
    Look for books on "Sports nutrition". Many of them have meal plans and
    recipes, as well as basic cooking instructions.

    Good luck!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Head Beagle said:

    Alright, this is sort of cooking, sort of dietary/nutrition, sort of a
    collection of other things, so I am putting it here and a couple other
    places to get a nice, wide ranging response.

    Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is going
    to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time. As it
    turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished. I
    REALLY REALLY want to avoid the ramen, pizza, and hot dogs menu route
    of many college students. So, to that end, I am collecting advice from
    cooks and other people who know a lot about food.

    Here is a bit about me so you can know what you are working with.

    6 foot 4, 170 lbs.
    I play competitive club ultimate frisbee, so I engage in strenuous
    exercise 10-15 hours a week. I use a ton of energy, so it takes a lot
    of food to keep me going.
    I am also planning on starting weightlifting, something I have never
    really done before. So, whatever dietary changes that should cause
    should be included.

    2 questions:

    #1
    what does a guy like me eat to keep my energy up and try to establish
    healthy eating habits for life?
    #2
    How do I cook that?

    Submit whatever you like. 1 meal, a weeklong menu/meal plan, 1 recipe,
    whatever you please.

    Thanks!!!

    You may try going to the bookstore so you have a good reference.
    Look for books on "Sports nutrition". Many of them have meal plans and
    recipes, as well as basic cooking instructions.

    Good luck!
    --
    Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  4. "Head Beagle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Alright, this is sort of cooking, sort of dietary/nutrition, sort of a
    collection of other things, so I am putting it here and a couple other
    places to get a nice, wide ranging response.

    Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is
    going
    to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time. As
    it
    turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished. I
    REALLY REALLY want to avoid the ramen, pizza, and hot dogs menu route
    of many college students. So, to that end, I am collecting advice from
    cooks and other people who know a lot about food.

    Here is a bit about me so you can know what you are working with.

    6 foot 4, 170 lbs.
    I play competitive club ultimate frisbee, so I engage in strenuous
    exercise 10-15 hours a week. I use a ton of energy, so it takes a lot
    of food to keep me going.
    I am also planning on starting weightlifting, something I have never
    really done before. So, whatever dietary changes that should cause
    should be included.

    2 questions:

    #1
    what does a guy like me eat to keep my energy up and try to establish
    healthy eating habits for life?
    #2
    How do I cook that?

    Submit whatever you like. 1 meal, a weeklong menu/meal plan, 1 recipe,
    whatever you please.

    Thanks!!!

    At 6 foot 4, 170 lbs., I'd say "the ramen, pizza, and hot dogs menu
    route" sounds pretty good for you. Add some steak and some ice cream
    while you're at it, lift weights regularly, and see if you can add a bit
    of muscle to your frame.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  5. "Head Beagle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Alright, this is sort of cooking, sort of dietary/nutrition, sort of a
    collection of other things, so I am putting it here and a couple other
    places to get a nice, wide ranging response.

    Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is
    going
    to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time. As
    it
    turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished. I
    REALLY REALLY want to avoid the ramen, pizza, and hot dogs menu route
    of many college students. So, to that end, I am collecting advice from
    cooks and other people who know a lot about food.

    Here is a bit about me so you can know what you are working with.

    6 foot 4, 170 lbs.
    I play competitive club ultimate frisbee, so I engage in strenuous
    exercise 10-15 hours a week. I use a ton of energy, so it takes a lot
    of food to keep me going.
    I am also planning on starting weightlifting, something I have never
    really done before. So, whatever dietary changes that should cause
    should be included.

    2 questions:

    #1
    what does a guy like me eat to keep my energy up and try to establish
    healthy eating habits for life?
    #2
    How do I cook that?

    Submit whatever you like. 1 meal, a weeklong menu/meal plan, 1 recipe,
    whatever you please.

    Thanks!!!

    At 6 foot 4, 170 lbs., I'd say "the ramen, pizza, and hot dogs menu
    route" sounds pretty good for you. Add some steak and some ice cream
    while you're at it, lift weights regularly, and see if you can add a bit
    of muscle to your frame.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  6. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Head Beagle said:

    Alright, this is sort of cooking, sort of dietary/nutrition, sort of a
    collection of other things, so I am putting it here and a couple other
    places to get a nice, wide ranging response.

    Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is going
    to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time. As it
    turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished. I
    REALLY REALLY want to avoid the ramen, pizza, and hot dogs menu route
    of many college students. So, to that end, I am collecting advice from
    cooks and other people who know a lot about food.

    Here is a bit about me so you can know what you are working with.

    6 foot 4, 170 lbs.
    I play competitive club ultimate frisbee, so I engage in strenuous
    exercise 10-15 hours a week. I use a ton of energy, so it takes a lot
    of food to keep me going.
    I am also planning on starting weightlifting, something I have never
    really done before. So, whatever dietary changes that should cause
    should be included.

    2 questions:

    #1
    what does a guy like me eat to keep my energy up and try to establish
    healthy eating habits for life?
    #2
    How do I cook that?

    Fruit, salad, protein.

    Fruit: no cooking, no juice; applesauce, maybe.

    Salad: spinach or romaine for a base, cukes, tomatoes, onions, peppers...

    Protein: eggs, meat, fish, skim dairy. Drink milk, mix skim yogurt with
    balsamic vinegar and flaxseed oil for your salad dressing, stuff seeded
    jalapenos with peanut butter and roast them (www.chilegrill.com) for a delicious
    snack, George Foreman Grill boneless skinless chicken breasts, top with salsa or
    chop it up and put it in the salad, omelets, hard boiled eggs chopped into
    salad, sardines in mustard sauce for a delicious backpack snack,
    chicken/tuna/egg salad on whole wheat bread....

  7. OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Head Beagle said:

    Alright, this is sort of cooking, sort of dietary/nutrition, sort of a
    collection of other things, so I am putting it here and a couple other
    places to get a nice, wide ranging response.

    Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is going
    to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time. As it
    turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished. I
    REALLY REALLY want to avoid the ramen, pizza, and hot dogs menu route
    of many college students. So, to that end, I am collecting advice from
    cooks and other people who know a lot about food.

    Here is a bit about me so you can know what you are working with.

    6 foot 4, 170 lbs.
    I play competitive club ultimate frisbee, so I engage in strenuous
    exercise 10-15 hours a week. I use a ton of energy, so it takes a lot
    of food to keep me going.
    I am also planning on starting weightlifting, something I have never
    really done before. So, whatever dietary changes that should cause
    should be included.

    2 questions:

    #1
    what does a guy like me eat to keep my energy up and try to establish
    healthy eating habits for life?
    #2
    How do I cook that?

    Fruit, salad, protein.

    Fruit: no cooking, no juice; applesauce, maybe.

    Salad: spinach or romaine for a base, cukes, tomatoes, onions, peppers...

    Protein: eggs, meat, fish, skim dairy. Drink milk, mix skim yogurt with
    balsamic vinegar and flaxseed oil for your salad dressing, stuff seeded
    jalapenos with peanut butter and roast them (www.chilegrill.com) for a delicious
    snack, George Foreman Grill boneless skinless chicken breasts, top with salsa or
    chop it up and put it in the salad, omelets, hard boiled eggs chopped into
    salad, sardines in mustard sauce for a delicious backpack snack,
    chicken/tuna/egg salad on whole wheat bread....

  8. One way to do it is to make Milk the backbone of your diet. And I am
    not talking one or two glasses, up to 1/2 gal a day can be good. You
    should learn to drink skim milk, and then get your fats from healthier
    sources like vegtable oil and nuts. I assume you have a stove and a
    frying pan and an oven. Buy the biggest hunk of meat you can find at
    the grocery store, prok But, Beef Roast, anything that is $1.50 - $3.50
    US per pound. Wrap it in foil, and throw it in the oven up to 1hr per
    pound at 225 degrees,. Take it out, let it cool for an hour or so, and
    shred it into a tupperwear container. Buy the big frozen bags of
    vegtables. Then all week long, take out your meat stash, and throw
    some on a skillet with olive oil and some veggies, cook on medium until
    it is all hot, season as you like.

    Or if you are really lazy just eat the meat out of the tupperwear
    container right over the sink. Also, buy you can buy some Whole Grain
    bread and make sandwiches.

    In the morning eat Oatmeal, and/or eggs, actually eggs are good
    anytime, throw some in the pan in the recipie above.

    So your grocery list is:
    Hunk of Meat
    Frozen Veggies
    Eggs
    Milk
    Oatmeal
    Whole Grain Bread
    Olive Oil
    Foil

    With this base you should be getting mostly all required daily
    nutrition, and at your size and activiy level, feel free to go out and
    throw down pizzas and ice cream on top of this

  9. One way to do it is to make Milk the backbone of your diet. And I am
    not talking one or two glasses, up to 1/2 gal a day can be good. You
    should learn to drink skim milk, and then get your fats from healthier
    sources like vegtable oil and nuts. I assume you have a stove and a
    frying pan and an oven. Buy the biggest hunk of meat you can find at
    the grocery store, prok But, Beef Roast, anything that is $1.50 - $3.50
    US per pound. Wrap it in foil, and throw it in the oven up to 1hr per
    pound at 225 degrees,. Take it out, let it cool for an hour or so, and
    shred it into a tupperwear container. Buy the big frozen bags of
    vegtables. Then all week long, take out your meat stash, and throw
    some on a skillet with olive oil and some veggies, cook on medium until
    it is all hot, season as you like.

    Or if you are really lazy just eat the meat out of the tupperwear
    container right over the sink. Also, buy you can buy some Whole Grain
    bread and make sandwiches.

    In the morning eat Oatmeal, and/or eggs, actually eggs are good
    anytime, throw some in the pan in the recipie above.

    So your grocery list is:
    Hunk of Meat
    Frozen Veggies
    Eggs
    Milk
    Oatmeal
    Whole Grain Bread
    Olive Oil
    Foil

    With this base you should be getting mostly all required daily
    nutrition, and at your size and activiy level, feel free to go out and
    throw down pizzas and ice cream on top of this

  10. Head Beagle said:

    Alright, this is sort of cooking, sort of dietary/nutrition, sort of a
    collection of other things, so I am putting it here and a couple other
    places to get a nice, wide ranging response.

    Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is
    going to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first
    time. As it turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly
    nourished. I REALLY REALLY want to avoid the ramen, pizza, and hot
    dogs menu route of many college students. So, to that end, I am
    collecting advice from cooks and other people who know a lot about
    food.

    Here is a bit about me so you can know what you are working with.

    6 foot 4, 170 lbs.
    I play competitive club ultimate frisbee, so I engage in strenuous
    exercise 10-15 hours a week. I use a ton of energy, so it takes a lot
    of food to keep me going.
    I am also planning on starting weightlifting, something I have never
    really done before. So, whatever dietary changes that should cause
    should be included.

    2 questions:

    #1
    what does a guy like me eat to keep my energy up and try to establish
    healthy eating habits for life?

    Meat, fish, fruit and veg, pasta/rice/whatever. Milk is also good.

    Quoted message said:

    How do I cook that?

    Meat: millions of ways, you'll find loads of recipes on the net. Bolognese
    sauce and stir frys are easy for a start.
    Bolognese: chop up an onion or two, put minced meat in a pan, full heat,
    stir until it's all changed from red to greyish. Put in the onion, can of
    chopped tomatoes, let it simmer for a bit. If you want to make it more
    interesting, any of some red wine (and cook for 5 minutes after putting that
    in), bit of oregano, celery, carrots, pepper will go, in fact you can add
    almost anything and it'll work. Just let everything cook for at least 15
    minutes in total so the taste soaks in to the meat and make sure enough
    water boils off that it isn't too liquid.
    Stir fry: cut up meat (chicken, turkey, pork) into bitesize bits, put it in
    a pan (a wok is good here, woks are useful, if you don't have that a normal
    pan will do). Sear the surfaces, put in any veg you want to (especially
    celery, carrots, onion), put in a bit of soy sauce (if you like it), white
    wine or dry vermouth is good, maybe some chopped up almonds (if you didn't
    put in soy sauce), cook for a few minutes until the meat is done all the way
    through (cut a bit in half and look, if you're not sure cook longer). If you
    want beansprouts or cucumber or that sort of soft thing put it in when
    you're nearly done or they'll go sludgy.

    Fish: put it under the grill, grill both sides until done (cut it open and
    look). Or follow a recipe.

    Fruit: just eat it, don't cook it.

    Veg: either in meat dishes or most veg you can chop up and put in a pan of
    boiling water for a couple of minutes, grab a bit out with a fork, run it
    under cold water and eat it to see when it's done.

    Pasta, rice, whatever you do according to the instructions on the packet...

    Most things with cooking will taste OK even if you [censored] up a bit. You'll
    fairly soon get an idea of what tastes good with what and how much of a herb
    or spice to use. Just don't under-do meat (mainly pork, poultry) or you may
    get food poisoning, don't overcook vegetables or they'll taste like [censored].
    The stuff where you have to follow the recipe closely or a disaster will
    happen is mainly if you get into baking stuff, making puddings and so on.
    Meat dishes you can throw in what looks like a reasonable amount of the
    whatever and it'll work.

    You want to be eating a decent amount of meat/fish - say enough so you're
    getting about 170g a day of protein (and remember protein is also in milk,
    pasta, etc, check the nutritional info on the packet), enough pasta/whatever
    so you aren't getting hungry, probably more veg and fruit than you're used
    to because most people don't eat enough, and a pint of milk a day is not a
    bad starting place. You also want to be getting a bit of fat in your diet,
    preferably from oily fish or olive oil, that sort of thing. After that,
    snack on whatever you want to, if you start putting on fat then cut back on
    the snacks.

    Peter

  11. Head Beagle said:

    Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is going
    to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time. As it
    turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished. I
    REALLY REALLY want to avoid the ramen, pizza, and hot dogs menu route
    of many college students. So, to that end, I am collecting advice from
    cooks and other people who know a lot about food.

    Quoted message said:

    what does a guy like me eat to keep my energy up and try to establish
    healthy eating habits for life?

    Excellent question.

    If I were you I'd buy a George Foreman grill. They're cheap, quick and
    easy to use, clean up relatively easy and do a good job with chicken &
    fish, even from a frozen state.

    I tend to buy individually frozen fish filets and chicken from the
    warehouse store and cook them on the George Foreman and serve them with
    salad.

    You're in luck with regard to salads - every place has salad bars you
    can use for cut-up veggies and you can buy salad in bags. If I were you
    I'd buy and make a large salad once a week and have frozen veggies for
    when the salad gets too old before you get back to the store.

    Try out brown basmati rice. It takes a little longer to cook but it's
    worth it. A rice cooker might be a useful investment for you, as might
    a bread machine.

    Get a basket steamer to insert into a medium-to-large sauce pan with a
    fitted lid. Steam up some broccoli or cauliflower or brussel sprouts or
    whatever in enough quantity to last a few days and eat the leftovers
    with grilled meat when you're sick of salads.

    Quoted message said:

    Here is a bit about me so you can know what you are working with.

    6 foot 4, 170 lbs.
    I play competitive club ultimate frisbee, so I engage in strenuous
    exercise 10-15 hours a week. I use a ton of energy, so it takes a lot
    of food to keep me going.

    The key to eating well is to have thought about it in advance. Junk
    carbs will magically appear whenever you're hungry, but high-fiber carbs
    and lean proteins will only show up if you PUT them there.

    Develop a bunch of snacks that revolve around a dose of fiber, a dose of
    protein and a dollop of fats (from seed or fish oils if possible.)

    Some examples are: apples sliced up and dipped in peanutbutter (use one
    of those circular gadgets that cores and slices at the same time.)

    Cottage cheese mixed with canned fruit and/or yogurt. Cottage cheese
    has saturated fat in it, but it's an easy way to add protein to things.

    Hard-boiled eggs are another nice way to get protein.

    Use meal replacement shakes like EAS Myoplex or bars like Balance Bars
    to get some protein in a snack.

    Try a banana with a wedge cut out and peanutbutter inserted.

    Try wasa crisp crackers microwaved to melt some cheese or with some cold
    cuts on top.

    Plan on eating often, and grocery shop with that in mind: get breakfast
    foods, lunch/dinner foods (they can be the same thing) and snack foods.
    Shop the outside edge of the grocery store: vegetables & fruits,
    dairy, meats, high-fiber breads.

    A good breakfast is the 5 minute oatmeal that you mix with some
    chocolate protein powder, peanutbutter, raisins and water and microwave
    on 50% power for 5 minutes.

    I like 100% whole wheat bagels with cream cheese and a couple of ounces
    of smoked salmon on top for breakfast, too.

    Try to make carbs be there for a reason: either for fiber or for
    phytonutrients or because you specifically need the energy boost. Junk
    carbs are the downfall of many a newly sedentary twenty-something, which
    isn't you YET, but will be you when you get a sedentary job and stop
    playing Ultimate every day.

    The best thing you've got going for you is that you're thinking about
    this. Pre-planning, thinking about a menu before you shop, is probably
    the most important thing you can do for your diet because then whatever
    you choose to eat will be okay.

    Good luck.

    Dally

  12. Dally said:
    Head Beagle said:

    Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is going
    to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time. As it
    turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished.

    Quoted message said:

    Develop a bunch of snacks

    Only if you can't stay away from junk food otherwise.

    Quoted message said:

    Use meal replacement shakes like EAS Myoplex or bars like Balance Bars
    to get some protein in a snack.

    That's cat food for people and also an an example of junk food. Nobody
    NEEDS that stuff.

    Quoted message said:

    Plan on eating often

    Well it's all good for the old, "mama" advice. But it's also the
    opposite of the new, National Institute of Aging advice concerning
    healthy eating habits -

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

    search for

    "mattson mp"[Author] AND (dietary OR "intermittent fasting"😉

    DZ

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    DZ said:
    Dally said:
    Head Beagle said:

    Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is going
    to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time. As it
    turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished.

    Quoted message said:

    Develop a bunch of snacks

    Only if you can't stay away from junk food otherwise.

    Quoted message said:

    Use meal replacement shakes like EAS Myoplex or bars like Balance Bars
    to get some protein in a snack.

    That's cat food for people and also an an example of junk food. Nobody
    NEEDS that stuff.

    Quoted message said:

    Plan on eating often

    Well it's all good for the old, "mama" advice. But it's also the
    opposite of the new, National Institute of Aging advice concerning
    healthy eating habits -

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

    search for

    "mattson mp"[Author] AND (dietary OR "intermittent fasting"😉

    DZ

    Can you give us a quick summary of your own diet plan, DZ?

    I know you generally only eat one meal per day, but do you have a plan
    at all or do you just rely on your discipline and low appetite?

    --
    Keith

  14. Hobbes said:
    DZ said:
    Dally said:

    Head Beagle wrote:

    > Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is going
    > to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time. As it
    > turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished.

    Quoted message said:

    Develop a bunch of snacks

    Only if you can't stay away from junk food otherwise.

    Quoted message said:

    Use meal replacement shakes like EAS Myoplex or bars like Balance Bars
    to get some protein in a snack.

    That's cat food for people and also an an example of junk food. Nobody
    NEEDS that stuff.

    Quoted message said:

    Plan on eating often

    Well it's all good for the old, "mama" advice. But it's also the
    opposite of the new, National Institute of Aging advice concerning
    healthy eating habits -

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

    search for

    "mattson mp"[Author] AND (dietary OR "intermittent fasting"😉


    Can you give us a quick summary of your own diet plan, DZ?

    I know you generally only eat one meal per day, but do you have a plan
    at all or do you just rely on your discipline and low appetite?

    Keith, let me make it clear that I repost that tiresome information -
    in that case it could be viewed as having somewhat abrasive style -
    only for the balance of viewpoints. If you find that energy bars and
    multiple meals help you to be in whatever shape you'd like to be I'm
    not going to argue. But Dally's post unequivocally asserted that the
    way to go as far as the healthy eating habits are concerned is to eat
    often, along the lines that breakfast is the most important meal of
    the day and snacks are unquestionably necessary to maintain high
    energy levels and to assure deliverance from sin. That view is biased.

    BTW personally I don't notice any positive effect of food on my
    immediately followed self-perceived energy levels - if anything, food
    might make me sleepy. Maybe it's the consequence of my "adaptation" to
    low frequency meals.

    I'm not sure if I have a definite plan. I take supplements during the
    day (not performance-enhancing) - I guess it's sort of like D. Cohen's
    LEF style except he claims to have pig's meat with that. I wouldn't
    ever go to lunch by myself but I'm not militant about that. If I have
    to (say for some social reason) I'd go even for a breakfast to a fast
    food place.

  15. DZ said:
    Dally said:
    Head Beagle said:

    Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is going
    to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time. As it
    turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished.

    Quoted message said:

    Develop a bunch of snacks

    Only if you can't stay away from junk food otherwise.

    The guy has no existing habits. Junk food is easy to find. A little
    forethought will save him from falling into it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Use meal replacement shakes like EAS Myoplex or bars like Balance Bars
    to get some protein in a snack.

    That's cat food for people and also an an example of junk food. Nobody
    NEEDS that stuff.

    I totally agree. It was a nod towards his need for shelf-stable
    ready-made snacks with protein.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Plan on eating often

    Well it's all good for the old, "mama" advice. But it's also the
    opposite of the new, National Institute of Aging advice concerning
    healthy eating habits -

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

    search for

    "mattson mp"[Author] AND (dietary OR "intermittent fasting"😉

    Interesting. I'd heard something about this as a possible thrust in
    reducing tumor growth. I think it might lead to an interesting line of
    thought regarding the retardation of aging. I'd lump it in with CR.

    I think there's a time and a place for that, but a 22 year old who needs
    lots of energy for his intense ultimate frisbee games and has a stellar
    metabolism (I'm assuming) is probably not a great candidate for this.
    The guy is trying to learn how to eat healthy foods versus ramen noodles
    and hot dogs, not how to live to be 120.

    It's worth knowing that there are other issues besides fueling your
    game, though. But I'm going to stick to the "mama" advice taht comes so
    easily to me.

    You're right about the crappy Balance Bars, though. Don't eat them,
    kid. Have an apple and a chunk of cheese instead.

    Dally

  16. Head Beagle said:

    #1
    what does a guy like me eat to keep my energy up and try to establish
    healthy eating habits for life?

    Food.

    Quoted message said:

    #2
    How do I cook that?

    http://tinyurl.com/85xun

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Freides said:

    "Head Beagle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Here is a bit about me so you can know what you are working with.

    6 foot 4, 170 lbs.


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:


    At 6 foot 4, 170 lbs., I'd say "the ramen, pizza, and hot dogs menu
    route" sounds pretty good for you.


    [snip]

    Except for what a steady diet of that stuff might do to his
    cholesterol?

    6'4" and 170 lbs. - wow. I'm 6'4" and a bit over 190 lbs. atm, and
    people think I already look skinny.

    --
    Jim Seymour | "It is wrong always, everywhere and
    WARNING: The "From:" address is a | for everyone to believe anything upon
    spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
    [email hidden] | - W. K. Clifford, ca. 1876

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Steve Freides said:

    "Head Beagle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Here is a bit about me so you can know what you are working with.

    6 foot 4, 170 lbs.


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:


    At 6 foot 4, 170 lbs., I'd say "the ramen, pizza, and hot dogs menu
    route" sounds pretty good for you.


    [snip]

    Except for what a steady diet of that stuff might do to his
    cholesterol?

    6'4" and 170 lbs. - wow. I'm 6'4" and a bit over 190 lbs. atm, and
    people think I already look skinny.

    --
    Jim Seymour | "It is wrong always, everywhere and
    WARNING: The "From:" address is a | for everyone to believe anything upon
    spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
    [email hidden] | - W. K. Clifford, ca. 1876

  19. "DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Hobbes said:
    DZ said:

    Dally <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > Head Beagle wrote:
    >
    >> Allow me to explain my situation. I am a fifth year senior who is
    >> going
    >> to be living not in a dorm/not on a meal plan for the first time.
    >> As it
    >> turns out, I have no idea how to keep myself properly nourished.

    > Develop a bunch of snacks

    Only if you can't stay away from junk food otherwise.

    > Use meal replacement shakes like EAS Myoplex or bars like Balance
    > Bars
    > to get some protein in a snack.

    That's cat food for people and also an an example of junk food.
    Nobody
    NEEDS that stuff.

    > Plan on eating often

    Well it's all good for the old, "mama" advice. But it's also the
    opposite of the new, National Institute of Aging advice concerning
    healthy eating habits -

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

    search for

    "mattson mp"[Author] AND (dietary OR "intermittent fasting"😉


    Can you give us a quick summary of your own diet plan, DZ?

    I know you generally only eat one meal per day, but do you have a
    plan
    at all or do you just rely on your discipline and low appetite?

    Keith, let me make it clear that I repost that tiresome information -
    in that case it could be viewed as having somewhat abrasive style -
    only for the balance of viewpoints. If you find that energy bars and
    multiple meals help you to be in whatever shape you'd like to be I'm
    not going to argue. But Dally's post unequivocally asserted that the
    way to go as far as the healthy eating habits are concerned is to eat
    often, along the lines that breakfast is the most important meal of
    the day and snacks are unquestionably necessary to maintain high
    energy levels and to assure deliverance from sin. That view is biased.

    BTW personally I don't notice any positive effect of food on my
    immediately followed self-perceived energy levels - if anything, food
    might make me sleepy. Maybe it's the consequence of my "adaptation" to
    low frequency meals.

    I'm not sure if I have a definite plan. I take supplements during the
    day (not performance-enhancing) - I guess it's sort of like D. Cohen's
    LEF style except he claims to have pig's meat with that. I wouldn't
    ever go to lunch by myself but I'm not militant about that. If I have
    to (say for some social reason) I'd go even for a breakfast to a fast
    food place.

    Since I eat this way, too, I'd like to chime in.

    I find I have hungry days and not hungry days, e.g., today I had nothing
    during the day except a cup of coffee around noon, but yesterday I was
    hungry so I had a PB&J sandwich at 11am then nothing until dinner.
    IMHO, so much of eating for most people is just habit. Eating different
    amounts on different days, which is nothing more than eating when you're
    hungry and not eating when you're not - instead of following some
    schedule or other - seems to be a pretty good way to keep yourself
    well-nourished without getting fat.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  20. Dally said:
    DZ said:
    Dally said:

    Plan on eating often

    Well it's all good for the old, "mama" advice. But it's also the
    opposite of the new, National Institute of Aging advice concerning
    healthy eating habits -
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi
    search for
    "mattson mp"[Author] AND (dietary OR "intermittent fasting"😉

    Interesting. I'd heard something about this as a possible thrust in
    reducing tumor growth. I think it might lead to an interesting line
    of thought regarding the retardation of aging. I'd lump it in with
    CR.

    It's not CR - they make the point that the low frequency itself has
    beneficial effects on health even if the amount of calories is not
    reduced.

    Quoted message said:

    I think there's a time and a place for that, but a 22 year old who
    needs lots of energy for his intense ultimate frisbee games and has
    a stellar metabolism (I'm assuming) is probably not a great
    candidate for this.

    He might be, or he might be not. My energy levels don't increase with
    more frequent eating. I don't know how much he's training - I train 7
    days a week 1-2 hours a day, doing both resistance and aerobics.

    I just talked to a guy who blamed his extra weight on "free food" at
    his work. BTW, normally the way I meet new guys in gyms is when they
    approach me to ask about muscleups. Girls don't seem to care
    whatsoever :-) So he said he's still keeping his college attitude that
    you can't pass free stuff. I thought it might've been different if he
    clearly realized early that sometimes it's better to skip even if the
    food is healthy.

    Quoted message said:

    The guy is trying to learn how to eat healthy foods versus ramen
    noodles and hot dogs, not how to live to be 120.

    (Hypothetical) food and diet that can allow someone to live to 120
    would sure be called "healthy" by me.

    DZ

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