Detoxing

I have been through some experiences like yours when I was younger, and
accepted the "turbulence" as a part of the healing process, but the
last, and continuing, method I have employed involves the use of
non-crystalline diatomaceous earth along with targeted nutrition to
simultaneously detox and restore crucial biochemical pathways that youe
metabolism and immune function rely upon. This is a slowand steady
approach that does not normally provoke reactions unless the individual
involved has some serious health issues at stake, which makes is useful
as a maintenance system as well. I have been utilizing this approach
since 1998, and have experienced a cessation of lifelong allergies,
chronic fatigue, and frequent illness since that time. I recommend it
to anyone who is sincerely interested in establishing and maintaining
their health in an independant and self-aware manner that tends to
preclude the necessity of frequent and expensive medical intervention.
An outline is provided here:

http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/immunecf.htm

Kristofer Dale,
ragged individualist,
statistic at large...

p.s. Learn and live: http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

Best way to detox is by eating berries, dark chocolate, whole milk, raw
cheese, fresh coconut oil, coffee, etc., and avoiding foods that
contain more than trace amounts of unsaturated fatty acids and oxidized
cholesterol.

But then there wouldn't be the satisfaction people feel when they think
they are taking some sort of magic pill that will cure everything in a
week or so.

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Best way to detox is by eating berries, dark chocolate, whole milk, raw
cheese, fresh coconut oil, coffee, etc., and avoiding foods that
contain more than trace amounts of unsaturated fatty acids and oxidized
cholesterol.

But then there wouldn't be the satisfaction people feel when they think
they are taking some sort of magic pill that will cure everything in a
week or so.

As distinguished from the satisfaction you feel when you think
you are taking some sort of magic elixir in coconut oil that will
cure everything in a week or so?

GWC

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Best way to detox is by eating berries, dark chocolate, whole milk, raw
cheese, fresh coconut oil, coffee, etc., and avoiding foods that
contain more than trace amounts of unsaturated fatty acids and oxidized
cholesterol.

I've been eating lots of healthy food like that for ages and to no effect on
my CFS. The difficulty is there that pure diet solutions, while undoutedly
one of the healthiest approaches to illness, require a very strict
discipline over periods of a year or more in order to yield results. You
also often have to eat large quantities of them in order to get therapeutic
amounts of the anti-oxidants too.

You are taking the above foods because they are high in anti-oxidants..
OxyAge contains many of the ones in your foods above:

Alpha Lipoic Acid
250mg

L-Acetyl-Carnitine
500mg

Berry HIGH ORAC
300mg

Raspberry Extract (Ellagic Acid 40%)
200mg

MSM
200mg

Proprietary Greens Mix with Barley Grass, Hawaiian Spirulina, Alfalfa, Wheat
Grass, Chlorella, Soy Sprouts, Rice Bran, Barley Malt, Acerola Berry Juice,
Licorice Root, Royal Jelly, Beet Juice, Dunaliela, Dulse (Nova Scotia), Milk
Thistle, Echinacea Root, Ginger Root, Astragalus, Green Tea, Grape Seed &
Skin, Bilberry
1450mg

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But then there wouldn't be the satisfaction people feel when they think
they are taking some sort of magic pill that will cure everything in a
week or so.

There is definitely an element of wanting to speed the process up. As I
said, pure diet solutions can take a very long time and require much
discipline that your average human is likely to manage unless they cut
themselves off from society and have someone watch them all the time. What
youre describing is more of a maintenance plan, adding more antioxidants to
your diet, which is great if you're reasonably healthy to start with.. but
for more serious conditions, even a very healthy diet is more of a
trickle-feed solution - why shoudn't we want to find out what it is in those
diets that actually causes the healing and condense it down into a pill?

Ian

IanW said:

I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a
product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like

detox

Quoted message said:

regimes I've read about in the past, the info says it can make you feel
worse before you feel better (http://www.oxyage.com/suggested-use.htm)

Maybe detox by taking a good chlorella supplement product????
(like Sun Chlorella???)
Also avoid sugar; soda pop; dairy (& cow's milk) products???

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One of the other main symptoms I get a result of CFS is a moderate degree

of

Could CFS be the result of a low-grade viral infection??? An
amino acid, L-Lysine, has anti-viral properities. Quantum sells a good
product called Super Lysine with 500 mg of L-Lysine.

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IanW said:

I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a
product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like

detox

Quoted message said:

regimes I've read about in the past, the info says it can make you feel
worse before you feel better (http://www.oxyage.com/suggested-use.htm)

Maybe detox by taking a good chlorella supplement product????
(like Sun Chlorella???)
Also avoid sugar; soda pop; dairy (& cow's milk) products???

Quoted message said:

One of the other main symptoms I get a result of CFS is a moderate degree

of

Could CFS be the result of a low-grade viral infection??? An
amino acid, L-Lysine, has anti-viral properities. Quantum sells a good
product called Super Lysine with 500 mg of L-Lysine.

I don't think I ever had any viral infections that brought on my CFS - I
think it is an extreme form of being "run down", or at least in my case, and
immune system problems that some experience is probably a symptom rather
than a cause. Like if your liver is underfunctioning it can compromise your
immune system. In my case, I don't feel my immune system is working that
badly, in that I resist colds as well as anybody and have never had the flu.

Ian

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"George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

IanW said:

I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a
product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like

detox

Quoted message said:

regimes I've read about in the past, the info says it can make you feel
worse before you feel better (http://www.oxyage.com/suggested-use.htm)

Maybe detox by taking a good chlorella supplement product????
(like Sun Chlorella???)

on, incidentally, Chlorella was one of the supplements that I tried before,
the time I chickened out of the detox because of the side effects

In article <[email hidden]>,

George Lagergren said:

IanW said:

I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a
product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like

detox

Quoted message said:

regimes I've read about in the past, the info says it can make you feel
worse before you feel better (http://www.oxyage.com/suggested-use.htm)

Maybe detox by taking a good chlorella supplement product????
(like Sun Chlorella???)
Also avoid sugar; soda pop; dairy (& cow's milk) products???

Quoted message said:

One of the other main symptoms I get a result of CFS is a moderate degree

of

Could CFS be the result of a low-grade viral infection??? An
amino acid, L-Lysine, has anti-viral properities. Quantum sells a good
product called Super Lysine with 500 mg of L-Lysine.

CFS is most often associated with Epstein Barr Virus...

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/medicine/chronic-fatigue-syndrome/cfs-faq/sectio
n-38.html
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"OxyAGE 180 Capsules
MSRP: $64.99
SALE PRICE: $44.90

A Serving is six capsules Each bottle is 180 capsules Drink 48-60 oz. of
fresh water daily."

i.e., 1 month supply = $45.00. Rather expensive. I get most of these
ingredients in my other supps. But if this is all one were going to take, I
suppose it might be worth getting it by the case which would cut its cost.

"Ingredients:
Alpha Lipoic Acid
250mg
L-Acetyl-Carnitine
500mg
Berry HIGH ORAC
300mg
Raspberry Extract (Ellagic Acid 40%)
200mg
MSM
200mg
Proprietary Greens Mix with Barley Grass, Hawaiian Spirulina, Alfalfa, Wheat
Grass, Chlorella, Soy Sprouts, Rice Bran, Barley Malt, Acerola Berry Juice,
Licorice Root, Royal Jelly, Beet Juice, Dunaliela, Dulse (Nova Scotia), Milk
Thistle, Echinacea Root, Ginger Root, Astragalus, Green Tea, Grape Seed &
Skin, Bilberry
1450mg"
***

BTW, regarding the alpha lipoic acid content:
Life Extension Foundaton no longer sells alpha lipoic acid but has replaced
it with

"R"-Dihydro-Lipoic Acid
"Alpha lipoic acid consists of two different forms (isomers) that have
vastly different properties. The "R" form is the biologically active
component (native to the body) that is responsible for lipoic acid's
phenomenal antioxidant effect. The "S" form is produced from chemical
manufacture and is not very biologically active. Alpha lipoic acid
supplements consist of the "R" and "S" form in a 50/50 ratio. That means a
100 mg alpha lipoic acid supplement is providing 50 mg of the biologically
active "R" form.

The human body normally produces and uses R-lipoic acid, the active form.
R-lipoic acid significantly reduces inflammatory reactions and has been
shown to be more potent than the combined "R" and "S" form that comprise
alpha lipoic acid.31-40*

When alpha lipoic acid is ingested, it is first converted to its reduced
form, R-dihydro-lipoic acid, where the main action of lipoic acid is
initiated. R-dihydro-lipoic acid is the reduced (or active) form of R-lipoic
acid. R-dihydro-lipoic acid produces the majority of the results attributed
to R-lipoic acid and alpha lipoic acid. By consuming R-dihydro-lipoic acid,
you are obtaining the form of R-lipoic acid that is immediately available to
cells. R-dihydro-lipoic acid is only available in liquid capsules because it
is itself a liquid and must be kept sealed from air.

For members who have been using Super Alpha Lipoic Acid capsules, Life
Extension's "R"-Dihydro-Lipoic Acid liquid capsule provides a more effective
form of lipoic acid. Each liquid capsule of "R"-Dihydro-Lipoic Acid
supplement contains 150 mg of this lipoic acid form that provides greater
biological activity compared to a 300 mg capsule of regular alpha lipoic
acid."

"George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| "IanW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
| > I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a
| > product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like
| detox
| > regimes I've read about in the past, the info says it can make you feel
| > worse before you feel better (http://www.oxyage.com/suggested-use.htm)
|
| Maybe detox by taking a good chlorella supplement product????
| (like Sun Chlorella???)
| Also avoid sugar; soda pop; dairy (& cow's milk) products???
|
| > One of the other main symptoms I get a result of CFS is a moderate
degree
| of
|
| Could CFS be the result of a low-grade viral infection??? An
| amino acid, L-Lysine, has anti-viral properities. Quantum sells a good
| product called Super Lysine with 500 mg of L-Lysine.
|
|

I would think the first thing to do would be to determine if your
problem really is liver / gall bladder related. To do that, you could
get a good bile salt supplement like Standard Process's Cholacol and
take it with a few meals. If that eases your digestive problems, you'll
know it's related to your liver or gall bladder. If not, you need to
look in to something else.

If you find that's the case, then you can probably assume you have gall
stones in some form. Nearly everyone that eats today's typical
convenience foods have gall stones to some extent. They can prevent the
gall bladder from contracting fully, which causes a problem in 2 ways:
1) It doesn't allow the gall bladder to fully concentrate the bile.
That makes for a weak bile which isn't as effective in breaking down
fats. 2) it doesn't all the gall bladder to squeeze the bile into the
intestines effectively, thus producing the same result.

You would probably want to go on a month long diet of specific foods
that help break down gall stones. Then after a month, you could do a 1
day gall bladder flush.

If you'd like to talk about it a little more, there are several
knowledgeable people at www.traditionalfoodgroup.com They're all very
helpful, and a few are even doctors. Check it out.

Max.

Quoted message said:

I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a
product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like detox
regimes I've read about in the past, the info says it can make you feel
worse before you feel better (http://www.oxyage.com/suggested-use.htm)
because of toxins clearing out of the liver.

Has anyone here tried a detox before and experienced symptoms as a result of
it?

Myself, I have moderate CFS, but I have a number of symptoms that indicate a
possible underfunctioning liver (which is common among CFS sufferers) such
as inability to handle caffeine or alcohol, overly fatty or sugary foods..
in fact seldom do I eat a meal without getting some symptoms later on. This
is why I reckon my liver needs a good detox.

One of the other main symptoms I get a result of CFS is a moderate degree of
what I think is orthostatic hypotension - ie: disturbance to my circulation
that yields lots of unpleasant symptoms and sensations when getting up after
a heavy meal or having sat down for along time.

It is this last symptom which is being aggravated/exacerbated by OxyAge.. I
had this when I previously tried another liver detox plan from a book called
Healing with Whole Foods. except that time I chickened out after 2 days
because I'm also prone to panic & anxiety attacks and all those symptoms
were playing havoc with that!

I really want to keep to this OxyAge stuff; ie: ride out the symptoms to see
what kind of health benefits might lie on the other side.. so, anyone here
had similar symptoms during a detox and rode it through etc??

Ian

"Stacy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"OxyAGE 180 Capsules
MSRP: $64.99
SALE PRICE: $44.90

A Serving is six capsules Each bottle is 180 capsules Drink 48-60 oz. of
fresh water daily."

i.e., 1 month supply = $45.00. Rather expensive. I get most of these
ingredients in my other supps. But if this is all one were going to take,
I
suppose it might be worth getting it by the case which would cut its cost.

yes, it was expensive (and I had to have it shipped over the pond too!)..
but it happened to have pretty much everything I have been reading about in
various books about liver stagnancy, oxidative stress, etc. Lately, I had
been taking about 8 different nutritional pills in one sitting, so it's nice
to find it all in one tab.

Ian

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Quoted message said:

I would think the first thing to do would be to determine if your
problem really is liver / gall bladder related. To do that, you could
get a good bile salt supplement like Standard Process's Cholacol and
take it with a few meals. If that eases your digestive problems, you'll
know it's related to your liver or gall bladder. If not, you need to
look in to something else.

If you find that's the case, then you can probably assume you have gall
stones in some form. Nearly everyone that eats today's typical
convenience foods have gall stones to some extent.

I was reading about gallstones last night and the olive oil/lemon juice
"flush".. I'm not sure about that bile salts - sounds pretty horrible, but
many of my symptoms do match with the kind of symptoms listed in Healing
with Whole Foods for liver stagnancy.

Thanks for the link

Ian