Oh Yeah

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Subject: Oh Yeah
From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover
Date: 3/3/2004 6:45 AM Pacific Standard Time

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gee how good are these guys :-) ?

ahhh....good enuf to investigate and make PUBLIC findings that were not
anticipated??

that is bad??

tell me about the Hulda Clarks and other charlatans with their fantastic
claims..

that is bad!!
hawki.....

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Subject: Oh Yeah
From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover
Date: 3/3/2004 6:45 AM Pacific Standard Time

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gee how good are these guys :-) ?

ahhh....good enuf to investigate and make PUBLIC findings that were not
anticipated??

that is bad??

tell me about the Hulda Clarks and other charlatans with their fantastic
claims..

that is bad!!
hawki..

You are not exactly the sharpest tack in the pack are you ?
Yawl want to show me just where it says that the drug company willingly
revealed this .
Maybe you think the FDA is a drug company ?

Bew

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Read and heed , some more info on the wonders of modern medicine , no doubt
tested and given the thumbs up , gee how good are these guys :-) ?

http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

Most people here readily agree that mistakes are made in regard to
pharmaceuticals -- that drugs need to be monitored for serious adverse
reactions -- that people need to educate themselves about the meds
they take.

People also need to accept that not every health problem has an
"instant answer", be it a pill, a zapper, or a crystal they wear
around their necks. There needs to be acceptance that good health
depends on the person who wants it doing their part (good diet, proper
exercise, overall common sense habits) instead of demanding someone
else give it to them after years of doing all the things that most of
us know don't result in a healthy mind & body.

Many conventional health care providers welcome so-called "watch dogs"
gathering information about problem products, therapies, etc. that can
be of use in modifying or scrapping them in favor of better ones.

"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
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Read and heed , some more info on the wonders of modern medicine , no

doubt

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tested and given the thumbs up , gee how good are these guys :-) ?

http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

Well, this is how it is.

The same problems has emerged with herbs, you can only find out rare side
effects when they are in general use and doctors are looking for events that
might be associated with the drug. Until this happened we did not know of
the drug interactions of SJW, the severe allergic reactions to Echinacea,
liver damage from Kava, and the lethal side effects of Aristolochia..

The FDA sending a warning does not mean that SSRIs causes suicide. They
are, after all, being used in depressed and potentially suicidal patients.
It is a potential problem that the doctors using these drugs should be alert
to, and it will I am sure be the subject of ongoing investigation.

Peter Moran

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Subject: Re: Oh Yeah
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 3/3/2004 1:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:
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Read and heed , some more info on the wonders of modern medicine , no

doubt

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tested and given the thumbs up , gee how good are these guys :-) ?

http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

Well, this is how it is.

Peter appears to protect *organized medicine.*

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The same problems has emerged with herbs,

Diversion. No one is talking about herbs.

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you can only find out rare side
effects when they are in general use and doctors are looking for events that
might be associated with the drug. Until this happened we did not know of
the drug interactions of SJW, the severe allergic reactions to Echinacea,
liver damage from Kava, and the lethal side effects of Aristolochia..

The FDA sending a warning does not mean that SSRIs causes suicide.

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

****Finally!****FDA Committee Says Risk of suicide with SSRIs Should be
Communicated Immediately.

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They
are, after all, being used in depressed and potentially suicidal patients.
It is a potential problem that the doctors using these drugs should be alert
to, and it will I am sure be the subject of ongoing investigation.

Peter Moran

TIME'S UP!!!!!

2/19/2004
Drug companies need to come clean on SSRIs; time for Health Canada to warn us

2/17/2004
Drug risks ***hidden from public****
****Drug companies keep test failures quiet,**** medical journal says

This is called DISHONESTY Peter!!!!!

2/15/2004
Suicide brings changes to Lilly drug trials

THEY GOT CAUGHT!!!

2/15/2004
19 quit Lilly drug trial after a death

2/15/2004
Student’s suicide cries out to FDA for drug warnings

2/13/2004
Woman testing depression drug kills herself

2/12/2004
Student, 19, in Trial of New Antidepressant Commits Suicide

2/12/2004
Rep. Tauzin to $2 million-a-year job to work for the Pharmaceutical Research
and Manufacturers of America

2/9/2004
Prescription For Suicide?

2/9/2004
Woman participating in Lilly trial hangs self
Coroner will examine whether experimental drug played possible part in
19-year-old’s suicide.

2/5/2004
Medicating America's Kids
NPR Program

2/4/2004
Lawmaker Seeks Data on Antidepressants for Kids

2/4/2004
Ottawa warns of suicide risk for teens on anti-depressants

4/2004
Ottawa warns of suicide risk for teens on anti-depressants

By ANDRÉ PICARD
PUBLIC HEALTH REPORTER

Mounting concerns over the safety of prescribing a new generation of
anti-depressants to children and teenagers has prompted Health Canada to issue
a rare public warning to reconsider their use because the popular drugs may
actually increase the risk of suicide.

2/3/2004
Antidepressant Strengthened Warnings About Pediatric Suicidality Risk Needed
Immediately, Cmte. Says

2/3/2004
Pittman tragedy detailed in letter

2/3/2004
Antidepressant warning: Adult drugs may lead to increased risk of suicide in
children

/3/2004
FDA mulls antidepressant warning
Panel cites risks to some children, notes benefits too

2/3/2004
FDA Links Antidepressants, Youth Suicide Risk

2/3/2004
Alert on antidepressants for kids
Panel urges sterner FDA warnings on children's suicide risks

2/3/2004
Parents Blame Medicines for Suicides

2/3/2004
Company ‘held back’ data on drug for children
Antidepressant had no effect, leak reveals

2/2/2004
Will British Ban Spur FDA to Act?

2/2/2004
Youth, meds and suicide

2/1/2004
Kids, Meds, and Suicide
The dangerous side effects of some SSRIs
are back in the headlines

2/1/2004
Drug report barred by FDA
Scientist links antidepressants to suicide in kids

1/31/2004
Wyeth Among 3 Firms Subpoenaed by U.S.

1/30/2004
Deluge of drug ads has FDA struggling to stop the hype

1/30/2004
FDA to debate antidepressant risk to kids

1/29/2004
Antidepressant Makers Withhold Data on Children

1/26/2004
FDA Knew About the Dangers of Redux® but Approved it Anyway

1/26/2004
Special Report
Antidepressant Drugs and Suicidal/Aggressive Behaviors

1/23/2004
Report casts doubt on drug, suicide link

1/21/2004
New Report Concludes SSRI Antidepressants Do Not Increase Suicidal Behavior in
Youth with Depression ACNP Presents Findings As FDA Opens Hearings

1/20/2004
Drug Companies Get Too Close for Med School's Comfort

1/6/2004
Probe into antidepressant link to suicides

1/6/2004
New Hope for Battling Depression
Study Illuminates Why Benefits of Therapy Are More Lasting Than Medication

1/4/2004
A Suicide Side Effect?
What parents aren't being told about their kids' antidepressants

1/4/2004
New York Times Lives: A Doctor’s Toxic Shock

1/4/2004
Drug commercials can make you a little bit dopey

12/10/2003
NIH to launch ethics review - Zerhouni promises comprehensive look at
lucrative consulting payments to top officials

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..

Jan

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Subject: Re: Oh Yeah
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 3/3/2004 5:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

did it ever occur to you that ANYONE placed on antidepressants had severe
enough mental disorders that they might become suicidal ANYWAY??

or how about...how MANY suicides are PREVENTED by drugs such as
antidepressants...

yikes..

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They

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are, after all, being used in depressed and potentially suicidal patients.

yahhhh..."potentially suicidal"...

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This is called DISHONESTY

no Jan..it is called..."the drugs did not work well enuf to prevent the
suicide"...

you see it only as..."the drug caused the suicide"...

and your credentials in psych are what??

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Student, 19, in Trial of New Antidepressant Commits Suicide

why was this kid in the trial in the first place?? bet cuz he was
depressed...and "potentially suicidal"...

for many many eons there have been unfortunate teens who committed
suicide....many many more than you would ever know..

now go out and study the numbers who did NOT commit suicide after being
medicated..

nah...more fun to point fingers than to save a teen's life..

you are a sad pathetic woman

hawki.....

Jan has been told these things a gadzillion times. She prefers to see people
dead.

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Oh Yeah
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 3/3/2004 5:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

did it ever occur to you that ANYONE placed on antidepressants had severe
enough mental disorders that they might become suicidal ANYWAY??

or how about...how MANY suicides are PREVENTED by drugs such as
antidepressants...

yikes..

Quoted message said:

They

Quoted message said:

are, after all, being used in depressed and potentially suicidal

patients.

Quoted message said:

yahhhh..."potentially suicidal"...

Quoted message said:

This is called DISHONESTY

no Jan..it is called..."the drugs did not work well enuf to prevent the
suicide"...

you see it only as..."the drug caused the suicide"...

and your credentials in psych are what??

Quoted message said:

Student, 19, in Trial of New Antidepressant Commits Suicide

why was this kid in the trial in the first place?? bet cuz he was
depressed...and "potentially suicidal"...

for many many eons there have been unfortunate teens who committed
suicide....many many more than you would ever know..

now go out and study the numbers who did NOT commit suicide after being
medicated..

nah...more fun to point fingers than to save a teen's life..

you are a sad pathetic woman

hawki.....

Troll better than that!

2 out of 10 points.

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Oh Yeah
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 3/3/2004 5:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

did it ever occur to you that ANYONE placed on antidepressants had severe
enough mental disorders that they might become suicidal ANYWAY??

or how about...how MANY suicides are PREVENTED by drugs such as
antidepressants...

yikes..

Quoted message said:

They

Quoted message said:

are, after all, being used in depressed and potentially suicidal

patients.

Quoted message said:

yahhhh..."potentially suicidal"...

Quoted message said:

This is called DISHONESTY

no Jan..it is called..."the drugs did not work well enuf to prevent the
suicide"...

you see it only as..."the drug caused the suicide"...

and your credentials in psych are what??

Quoted message said:

Student, 19, in Trial of New Antidepressant Commits Suicide

why was this kid in the trial in the first place?? bet cuz he was
depressed...and "potentially suicidal"...

for many many eons there have been unfortunate teens who committed
suicide....many many more than you would ever know..

now go out and study the numbers who did NOT commit suicide after being
medicated..

nah...more fun to point fingers than to save a teen's life..

you are a sad pathetic woman

hawki.....

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Subject: Re: Oh Yeah
From: "Gymmy Bob" [email hidden]
Date: 3/4/2004 6:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Troll better than that!

2 out of 10 points.

Poor Hawki, she is soooooo jealous of me.

I didn't write or post the article, but it matters not to her. She's just here
to bash Jan.

Her pathetic snipping tells all.

http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

Peter Moran said:

***The FDA sending a warning does not mean that SSRIs causes suicide.****

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

****Finally!****FDA Committee Says Risk of suicide with SSRIs Should be
Communicated Immediately.

2/19/2004
Drug companies need to come clean on SSRIs; time for Health Canada to warn us

2/17/2004
Drug risks ***hidden from public****
****Drug companies keep test failures quiet,**** medical journal says

This is called DISHONESTY Peter!!!!!

2/15/2004
Suicide brings changes to Lilly drug trials

THEY GOT CAUGHT!!!

2/15/2004
19 quit Lilly drug trial after a death

2/15/2004
Student’s suicide cries out to FDA for drug warnings

2/13/2004
Woman testing depression drug kills herself

2/12/2004
Student, 19, in Trial of New Antidepressant Commits Suicide

2/12/2004
Rep. Tauzin to $2 million-a-year job to work for the Pharmaceutical Research
and Manufacturers of America

2/9/2004
Prescription For Suicide?

2/9/2004
Woman participating in Lilly trial hangs self
Coroner will examine whether experimental drug played possible part in
19-year-old’s suicide.

2/5/2004
Medicating America's Kids
NPR Program

2/4/2004
Lawmaker Seeks Data on Antidepressants for Kids

2/4/2004
Ottawa warns of suicide risk for teens on anti-depressants

4/2004
Ottawa warns of suicide risk for teens on anti-depressants

By ANDRÉ PICARD
PUBLIC HEALTH REPORTER

Mounting concerns over the safety of prescribing a new generation of
anti-depressants to children and teenagers has prompted Health Canada to issue
a rare public warning to reconsider their use because the popular drugs may
actually increase the risk of suicide.

2/3/2004
Antidepressant Strengthened Warnings About Pediatric Suicidality Risk Needed
Immediately, Cmte. Says

2/3/2004
Pittman tragedy detailed in letter

2/3/2004
Antidepressant warning: Adult drugs may lead to increased risk of suicide in
children

/3/2004
FDA mulls antidepressant warning
Panel cites risks to some children, notes benefits too

2/3/2004
FDA Links Antidepressants, Youth Suicide Risk

2/3/2004
Alert on antidepressants for kids
Panel urges sterner FDA warnings on children's suicide risks

2/3/2004
Parents Blame Medicines for Suicides

2/3/2004
Company ‘held back’ data on drug for children
Antidepressant had no effect, leak reveals

2/2/2004
Will British Ban Spur FDA to Act?

2/2/2004
Youth, meds and suicide

2/1/2004
Kids, Meds, and Suicide
The dangerous side effects of some SSRIs
are back in the headlines

2/1/2004
Drug report barred by FDA
Scientist links antidepressants to suicide in kids

1/31/2004
Wyeth Among 3 Firms Subpoenaed by U.S.

1/30/2004
Deluge of drug ads has FDA struggling to stop the hype

1/30/2004
FDA to debate antidepressant risk to kids

1/29/2004
Antidepressant Makers Withhold Data on Children

1/26/2004
FDA Knew About the Dangers of Redux® but Approved it Anyway

1/26/2004
Special Report
Antidepressant Drugs and Suicidal/Aggressive Behaviors

1/23/2004
Report casts doubt on drug, suicide link

1/21/2004
New Report Concludes SSRI Antidepressants Do Not Increase Suicidal Behavior in
Youth with Depression ACNP Presents Findings As FDA Opens Hearings

1/20/2004
Drug Companies Get Too Close for Med School's Comfort

1/6/2004
Probe into antidepressant link to suicides

1/6/2004
New Hope for Battling Depression
Study Illuminates Why Benefits of Therapy Are More Lasting Than Medication

1/4/2004
A Suicide Side Effect?
What parents aren't being told about their kids' antidepressants

1/4/2004
New York Times Lives: A Doctor’s Toxic Shock

1/4/2004
Drug commercials can make you a little bit dopey

12/10/2003
NIH to launch ethics review - Zerhouni promises comprehensive look at
lucrative consulting payments to top officials

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..

Jan

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Subject: Re: Oh Yeah
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 3/4/2004 7:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Poor Hawki, she is soooooo jealous of me.

spare me

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She's just here
to bash Jan.

nah...simply to debunk her craziness...tho that is getting to be a full time
job..

she IS crazy ya know...

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Peter Moran said:

***The FDA sending a warning does not mean that SSRIs causes

no...Peter didn't say that...Janny listed all that..

get your stories straight
hawki.....

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Subject: Re: Oh Yeah
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 3/3/2004 1:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Read and heed , some more info on the wonders of modern medicine , no

doubt

Quoted message said:

tested and given the thumbs up , gee how good are these guys :-) ?

http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

Well, this is how it is.

The same problems has emerged with herbs, you can only find out rare side
effects when they are in general use and doctors are looking for events that
might be associated with the drug. Until this happened we did not know of

Quoted message said:

the drug interactions of SJW, the severe allergic reactions to Echinacea,

liver damage from Kava, and the lethal side effects of Aristolochia..

The FDA sending a warning does not mean that SSRIs causes suicide. They
are, after all, being used in depressed and potentially suicidal patients.
It is a potential problem that the doctors using these drugs should be alert
to, and it will I am sure be the subject of ongoing investigation.

Peter Moran

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