LA v. MJ

Steve said:

Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental strength and the superiority in
his sport is really amazing. Reminds me of Michael when he had total control of Basketball. But
who's the greater athlete?

MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in
any level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

Lance is hardly the best cyclist ever.

The names Eddy Merckx, Fausto Coppi, and Bernard Hinault ring a bell at all? How about Jacques
Anquetil and Miguel Indurain?

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Tough one, isn't it?

Personally, I think they are tied, but if LA comes back next year and wins his 6th TdF, he'll go
down is the greatest athlete of all times.

--Steve

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steven L. Sheff
[B]On 7/27/03 9:25 PM, in article [email hidden], "Steve"

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Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental strength and the superiority in
his sport is really amazing. Reminds me of Michael when he had total control of Basketball. But
who's the greater athlete?

MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in
any level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

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Tough one, isn't it?

Personally, I think they are tied, but if LA comes back next year and wins his 6th TdF, he'll go
down is the greatest athlete of all times.

--Steve [/B]

Lance Armstrong trains a lot more than Michael Jordan. 5-7 hours on the bike plus weight lifting on
some days. Lance Armstrong relies on natural ability as well as being one of the most dedicated
athletes out there, and Michael Jordan relies on his natural skills more than dedication. I don't
think he plays 5-7 hours of basketball everyday. "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental strength and the superiority in
his sport is really amazing. Reminds me of Michael when he had total control of Basketball. But
who's the greater athlete?

MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in
any level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

Tough one, isn't it?

Personally, I think they are tied, but if LA comes back next year and wins his 6th TdF, he'll go
down is the greatest athlete of all times.

--Steve

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jiyang Chen
[B]Lance Armstrong trains a lot more than Michael Jordan. 5-7 hours on the bike plus weight lifting on
some days. Lance Armstrong relies on natural ability as well as being one of the most dedicated
athletes out there, and Michael Jordan relies on his natural skills more than dedication. I don't
think he plays 5-7 hours of basketball everyday. "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental strength and the superiority in
his sport is really amazing. Reminds me of Michael when he had total control of Basketball. But
who's the greater athlete?

MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in
any level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

Tough one, isn't it?

Personally, I think they are tied, but if LA comes back next year and wins his 6th TdF, he'll go
down is the greatest athlete of all times.

--Steve [/B]

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Lance Armstrong trains a lot more than Michael Jordan. 5-7 hours on the bike plus weight lifting
on some days. Lance Armstrong relies on natural ability as well as being one of the most dedicated
athletes out there, and Michael Jordan relies on his natural skills more than dedication. I don't
think he plays 5-7 hours of basketball everyday. "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental strength and the superiority
in his sport is really amazing. Reminds me of Michael when he had total control of Basketball.
But who's the greater athlete?

MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in any
level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

Tough one, isn't it?

Personally, I think they are tied, but if LA comes back next year and wins his 6th TdF, he'll go
down is the greatest athlete of all times.

--Steve

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Lance Armstrong trains a lot more than Michael Jordan. 5-7 hours on the bike plus weight lifting
on some days. Lance Armstrong relies on natural ability as well as being one of the most dedicated
athletes out there, and Michael Jordan relies on his natural skills more than dedication. I don't
think he plays 5-7 hours of basketball everyday.

Jordan used to host a Sunrise fitness session (usually Pippen and one other player) at the court at
his home, then they'd eat breakfast, then go to the United Center, then lift weights, then do the
official team practice, then lift weights after the official team practice.

That's why they won 72 games. Athletes don't reach those levels by sitting on their ass.

I disagree about training ethics.

Michael was known for his amazing work ethic, sweaty summer five on fives, weightlifting etc. I
don't believe LA has an edge in this category.

--Steve

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Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental strength and the superiority in
his sport is really amazing. Reminds me of Michael when he had total control of Basketball. But
who's the greater athlete?

Lance is surely a greater athlete than Michael Jordan ever was. In fact, the only athlete greater
than Lance in the history of sports is the Finnish runner Paavo Nurmi. Lance would have to win the
treble (giro-tour-vuelta) to pass Paavo on the ranking, and i suspect that just won't happen.

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Steven L. Sheff said:

Steve said:

Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental strength and the
superiority in his sport is really amazing. Reminds me of Michael when he had total control
of Basketball. But who's the greater athlete?

MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in any
level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

Lance is hardly the best cyclist ever. The names Eddy Merckx, Fausto Coppi, and Bernard
Hinault ring a bell at all? How about Jacques Anquetil and Miguel Indurain?

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Tough one, isn't it?

Personally, I think they are tied, but if LA comes back next year and wins his 6th TdF,
he'll go down is the greatest athlete of all times.

--Steve

I think you could be the greatest cyclist and not the greatest athlete ever. Indurain was not a
great rider and I don;t want to hear that he was. I also think that Cycling is differnt now.
Preperation has become so scientific that a GC rider can only realistically peak for a month or
two. Look at Simoni. He was in top form for the Giro and then looked like a differnt rider. To
further support that point I think that Heras will ride a great Vuelta.

Take a look at a guy like Vinokourov, he's been in form the whole year. He's proof that you still
can race at a high level all year. Simonis form is the result of the fact that he hasn't raced
between the Giro and the Tour, that was his mistake, he didn't prepare enough for the tour.

I my opimion Armstrong is way too single minded to ever reach the highest ranks of cyclists. He's
always going to be one step behind even if he wins his 6th tour. All the others in the 5-tour club
have also won the Giro, Armstrong hasn't even tried.

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Take a look at a guy like Vinokourov, he's been in form the whole year. He's proof that you still
can race at a high level all year.

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Simonis form is the result of the fact that he hasn't raced between the Giro and the Tour, that
was his mistake, he didn't prepare enough for the tour.

Maybe he was tired from the Giro?

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Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental strength and the superiority in
his sport is really amazing. Reminds me of Michael when he had total control of Basketball. But
who's the greater athlete?

MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in
any level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

Tough one, isn't it?

Personally, I think they are tied, but if LA comes back next year and wins his 6th TdF, he'll go
down is the greatest athlete of all times.

--Steve

That is pretty narrow. What about people in other sports like Bjorn Borg, Martina Navratilova, Pete
Sampras, Bjorn Dahlie, Pele, Beckham (just kidding on that one), Haile Gebresalaise (I know I
butchered that one), Jim Thorpe (my personal choice), Jesse Owens, Carl Lewis, Daley Thompson, Bon
Matthias, etc? I am leaving out people I know, just making a point.

I am thinking that the basketball folks will say MJ and the cycling folks
LA.

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Jiyang Chen said:

Lance Armstrong trains a lot more than Michael Jordan. 5-7 hours on

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bike plus weight lifting on some days. Lance Armstrong relies on natural ability as well as
being one of the most dedicated athletes

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there, and Michael Jordan relies on his natural skills more than dedication. I don't think he
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Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental strength and the
superiority in his sport is really amazing. Reminds me of Michael when he had total control
of Basketball. But who's the greater athlete?

MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in any
level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

Tough one, isn't it?

Personally, I think they are tied, but if LA comes back next year

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wins his 6th TdF, he'll go down is the greatest athlete of all

times.

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--Steve

And we mustn't forget Michael's little baseball stint. They are both amazing athletes in their own
right, and I say we leave it at that.

Actually I would argue that MJ's attempt at baseball works against him. He was awful.

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Who is stronger Superman or Hercules? Did Superman do Wonder Woman? Was Batman really gay when he
turned down a chance to be with Catwoman? These questions are really baseless and need not even be
considered. If you are the absolute best athlete you can be (to yourself) then you wouldn't have
time to ponder useless inconsequential questions. Heck, we probably shouldn't be on the NG. I think
I'll go workout.

BTW... MJ made more money last year from NIKE than all of the Malaysian NIKE workers (that build the
shoes) combined yearly gross income. So that doesn't necessarily make MJ a bad guy but it shows that
people who make the shoes lives don't matter to NIKE and are only cared for by their immediate
families. I've seen LA's Nike ad... It's a little disconcerting given the previous statement I made.
Do they even make a cycling shoe worth it weight? I'm not sure I'd buy it if there
is/was...considering...

imho, NS

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MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in any level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

Tough one, isn't it?

No, easy.

MJ coasted on his natural talent. Like Mario Lemieux and Gretzky.

LA trained his ass off. No comparison. You can't win a tour by coasting on your talent. You have to
train and train hard and smart.

In rec.bicycles.racing Steve said:

Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental strength and the superiority in
his sport is really amazing. Reminds me of Michael when he had total control of Basketball. But
who's the greater athlete?

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MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in
any level.

Last two seasons? Baseball?

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LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

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Tough one, isn't it?

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Personally, I think they are tied, but if LA comes back next year and wins his 6th TdF, he'll go
down is the greatest athlete of all times.

The best athlete is without doubt ROGER BRANCH:

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Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental strength and the superiority in
his sport is really amazing. Reminds me of Michael when he had total control of Basketball. But
who's the greater athlete?

MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in
any level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

Tough one, isn't it?

Yeah, it's right up there with whether Green Lantern is tougher than Spiderman.

Rick

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Lance Armstrong trains a lot more than Michael Jordan. 5-7 hours on the bike plus weight lifting
on some days. Lance Armstrong relies on natural ability as well as being one of the most dedicated
athletes out there, and Michael Jordan relies on his natural skills more than dedication. I don't
think he plays 5-7 hours of basketball everyday.

It's not the same effort, so the training is different. They stay 6 hours on a bike without
interruption., you don't play 6 hours of basketball.

This is a pointless discussion. Can't compare apples and oranges.

Our church is studying Psalm 23 and yesterday morning they opened the study showing some video clips
of Michael Jordan. Unbelieveable artistry in motion. I lived in Chicago during the Jordan era and
never missed a televised game.

I'm as big a Lance fan as anyone, and I'm as avid a cyclist as anyone. But cycling doesn't require
the artistry that someone like Michael can bring to a game like Basketball. Michael couldn't hang
with Lance for 5 seconds on a bike. Lance couldn't hang with Mr. Hang Time on the B-ball court.

But if I were stuck on a deserted island and had to choose between a video of Michael and a video of
Lance to watch for the rest of my life, I'd pick Michael.

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Congrtas to LA for a well deserved win. The dedication, the mental strength and the superiority in
his sport is really amazing. Reminds me of Michael when he had total control of Basketball. But
who's the greater athlete?

MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in
any level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

Tough one, isn't it?

Personally, I think they are tied, but if LA comes back next year and wins his 6th TdF, he'll go
down is the greatest athlete of all times.

--Steve

MJ coasted on his natural talent?????!!!!!

You're out of your mind. You obviously don't know a thing about Michael Jordan. The one thing that
set him apart from all his teammates and made him very hard for them to get along with was that he
was so intense, hard working and demanding. Sounds EXACLY like everything I've heard about Lance.
Work ethic is definately common ground between the two men.

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MJ- the ultimate competitor, refuses to lose, always finds a way to win, never failed in
any level.

LA- overcame cancer, argueably in a tougher sport, the best cycler ever.

Tough one, isn't it?

No, easy.

MJ coasted on his natural talent. Like Mario Lemieux and Gretzky.

LA trained his ass off. No comparison. You can't win a tour by coasting on your talent. You have
to train and train hard and smart.