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  1. x-no-archive: yes

    1: BMJ. 2003 Dec 20;327(7429):1459-61. Related Articles, Links

    Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational
    challenge: systematic review of randomised controlled trials.

    Smith GC, Pell JP.

    Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Cambridge University, Cambridge
    CB2
    2QQ. <Email withheld>

    OBJECTIVES: To determine whether parachutes are effective in preventing
    major
    trauma related to gravitational challenge. DESIGN: Systematic review of
    randomised controlled trials. DATA SOURCES: Medline, Web of Science, Embase,
    and the Cochrane Library databases; appropriate internet sites and citation
    lists. STUDY SELECTION: Studies showing the effects of using a parachute
    during
    free fall. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE: Death or major trauma, defined as an injury
    severity score > 15. RESULTS: We were unable to identify any randomised
    controlled trials of parachute intervention. CONCLUSIONS: As with many
    interventions intended to prevent ill health, the effectiveness of
    parachutes
    has not been subjected to rigorous evaluation by using randomised controlled
    trials. Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption of
    interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that
    everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence based
    medicine organised and participated in a double blind, randomised, placebo
    controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.

    Publication Types:
    Review
    Review, Academic

    PMID: 14684649 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

  2. Quoted message said:

    Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational
    challenge: systematic review of randomised controlled trials.

    BRILLIANT!! Hilarious too!! Thank you for pointing this very cerebral study
    out to us.

    I noted this in the abstract.

    Funding: None.

    Competing interests: None declared.

    Ethical approval: Not required.

    I think I will pass on the double blind trial. Any takers?
    BL

    "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of
    the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then
    there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

    "I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

  3. COOL POST ,

    True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

    "Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    1: BMJ. 2003 Dec 20;327(7429):1459-61. Related Articles, Links

    Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational
    challenge: systematic review of randomised controlled trials.

    Smith GC, Pell JP.

    Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Cambridge University, Cambridge
    CB2
    2QQ. <Email withheld>

    OBJECTIVES: To determine whether parachutes are effective in preventing
    major
    trauma related to gravitational challenge. DESIGN: Systematic review of
    randomised controlled trials. DATA SOURCES: Medline, Web of Science,


    Embase,

    Quoted message said:

    and the Cochrane Library databases; appropriate internet sites and


    citation

    Quoted message said:

    lists. STUDY SELECTION: Studies showing the effects of using a parachute
    during
    free fall. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE: Death or major trauma, defined as an


    injury

    Quoted message said:

    severity score > 15. RESULTS: We were unable to identify any randomised
    controlled trials of parachute intervention. CONCLUSIONS: As with many
    interventions intended to prevent ill health, the effectiveness of
    parachutes
    has not been subjected to rigorous evaluation by using randomised


    controlled

    Quoted message said:

    trials. Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption


    of

    Quoted message said:

    interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that
    everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence based
    medicine organised and participated in a double blind, randomised, placebo
    controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.

    Publication Types:
    Review
    Review, Academic

    PMID: 14684649 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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  4. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Alternative proofs? read this!
    From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover
    Date: 2/29/2004 9:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    COOL POST ,

    Quoted message said:

    True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

    OMG...perhaps you need a brain colonic!!
    hawki.....

  5. Hahah excellente!
    Anth

    "Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    1: BMJ. 2003 Dec 20;327(7429):1459-61. Related Articles, Links

    Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational
    challenge: systematic review of randomised controlled trials.

    Smith GC, Pell JP.

    Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Cambridge University, Cambridge
    CB2
    2QQ. <Email withheld>

    OBJECTIVES: To determine whether parachutes are effective in preventing
    major
    trauma related to gravitational challenge. DESIGN: Systematic review of
    randomised controlled trials. DATA SOURCES: Medline, Web of Science,


    Embase,

    Quoted message said:

    and the Cochrane Library databases; appropriate internet sites and


    citation

    Quoted message said:

    lists. STUDY SELECTION: Studies showing the effects of using a parachute
    during
    free fall. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE: Death or major trauma, defined as an


    injury

    Quoted message said:

    severity score > 15. RESULTS: We were unable to identify any randomised
    controlled trials of parachute intervention. CONCLUSIONS: As with many
    interventions intended to prevent ill health, the effectiveness of
    parachutes
    has not been subjected to rigorous evaluation by using randomised


    controlled

    Quoted message said:

    trials. Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption


    of

    Quoted message said:

    interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that
    everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence based
    medicine organised and participated in a double blind, randomised, placebo
    controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.

    Publication Types:
    Review
    Review, Academic

    PMID: 14684649 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

  6. "BL 1204" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational
    challenge: systematic review of randomised controlled trials.

    BRILLIANT!! Hilarious too!! Thank you for pointing this very cerebral


    study

    Quoted message said:

    out to us.

    I noted this in the abstract.

    Funding: None.

    Competing interests: None declared.

    Ethical approval: Not required.

    I think I will pass on the double blind trial. Any takers?

    Jan and Gymmy should volunteer. I could gladly spend a few hours training
    them and then let the guess which one has the placebo parachute.

    We could all invite them to drop in.

    Quoted message said:

    BL

    "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then
    there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

    "I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

  7. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Alternative proofs? read this!
    From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover
    Date: 2/29/2004 9:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    COOL POST ,

    Quoted message said:

    True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

    OMG...perhaps you need a brain colonic!!
    hawki.....

    I told you that Alties were brain cleansed.

  8. COOL POST ,

    True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

    Maybe they would like to get into a debate on chemotherapy , or maybe HRT ,
    or maybe how come so many thousands of people die each year in the screwed
    up health system .

    NAH , screw em I can't be bothered .

    "Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    1: BMJ. 2003 Dec 20;327(7429):1459-61. Related Articles, Links

    Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational
    challenge: systematic review of randomised controlled trials.

    Smith GC, Pell JP.

    Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Cambridge University, Cambridge
    CB2
    2QQ. <Email withheld>

    OBJECTIVES: To determine whether parachutes are effective in preventing
    major
    trauma related to gravitational challenge. DESIGN: Systematic review of
    randomised controlled trials. DATA SOURCES: Medline, Web of Science,


    Embase,

    Quoted message said:

    and the Cochrane Library databases; appropriate internet sites and


    citation

    Quoted message said:

    lists. STUDY SELECTION: Studies showing the effects of using a parachute
    during
    free fall. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE: Death or major trauma, defined as an


    injury

    Quoted message said:

    severity score > 15. RESULTS: We were unable to identify any randomised
    controlled trials of parachute intervention. CONCLUSIONS: As with many
    interventions intended to prevent ill health, the effectiveness of
    parachutes
    has not been subjected to rigorous evaluation by using randomised


    controlled

    Quoted message said:

    trials. Advocates of evidence based medicine have criticised the adoption


    of

    Quoted message said:

    interventions evaluated by using only observational data. We think that
    everyone might benefit if the most radical protagonists of evidence based
    medicine organised and participated in a double blind, randomised, placebo
    controlled, crossover trial of the parachute.

    Publication Types:
    Review
    Review, Academic

    PMID: 14684649 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    ---

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  9. "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    COOL POST ,

    True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

    Maybe they would like to get into a debate on chemotherapy , or maybe HRT


    ,

    Quoted message said:

    or maybe how come so many thousands of people die each year in the screwed
    up health system .

    NAH , screw em I can't be bothered .

    Yes, you have demonstrated that you cannot be bothered with intelligent
    disucssion and backing up your blather with real proof.

    Perhaps you would like to try an alternative parachute?

  10. "Mark Probert-March 1, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
    in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    COOL POST ,

    True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

    Maybe they would like to get into a debate on chemotherapy , or maybe


    HRT

    Quoted message said:

    ,

    Quoted message said:

    or maybe how come so many thousands of people die each year in the


    screwed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    up health system .

    NAH , screw em I can't be bothered .

    Yes, you have demonstrated that you cannot be bothered with intelligent
    disucssion and backing up your blather with real proof.

    You bore me child .

    Quoted message said:


    Perhaps you would like to try an alternative parachute?

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  11. "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Mark Probert-March 1, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
    in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    COOL POST ,

    True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder


    ..

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Maybe they would like to get into a debate on chemotherapy , or maybe


    HRT

    Quoted message said:

    ,

    Quoted message said:

    or maybe how come so many thousands of people die each year in the


    screwed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    up health system .

    NAH , screw em I can't be bothered .

    Yes, you have demonstrated that you cannot be bothered with intelligent
    disucssion and backing up your blather with real proof.

    You bore me child .

    Sorry, but I suspect that I am a bit older than you.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps you would like to try an alternative parachute?

    Why not try that? Just drop in sometime.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover>

    Quoted message said:

    "Mark Probert-March 1, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
    in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    COOL POST ,

    True stuff , their biased trials mean zip anyway , facts speak louder .

    Maybe they would like to get into a debate on chemotherapy , or maybe


    HRT

    Quoted message said:

    ,

    Quoted message said:

    or maybe how come so many thousands of people die each year in the


    screwed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    up health system .

    NAH , screw em I can't be bothered .

    Yes, you have demonstrated that you cannot be bothered with intelligent
    disucssion and backing up your blather with real proof.

    You bore me child .

    That's nice, but it's still obvious that you can't produce any
    convincing evidence to support your assertions regarding alt-med.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

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