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  1. When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

    According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....

    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

    Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....

    I hope that any parent of a child who was injured by NOT being vaccinated
    sues his shorts off.

  2. "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

    Quoted message said:

    According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....

    No, Mark; the Economist article makes no such statement. Indeed, it
    clearly states, "Dr Wakefield's conflict of interest was that he had
    received £55,000 ($90,000) from England's legal-aid board to carry out a
    second study on the relationship (if any) between MMR and autism."
    (Note the word "second."😉 Apparently Wakefield's (and his colleagues'😉
    theory of an MMR-autism link existed *before* he (they?) received any
    legal aid funds.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

    Quoted message said:

    Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....

    It appears his second study merely echoed the findings of his earlier,
    independent study.

    Quoted message said:

    I hope that any parent of a child who was injured by NOT being


    vaccinated

    Quoted message said:

    sues his shorts off.

    No rational lawyer would touch such a case: "The authors clearly state
    in the paper's discussion that 'We did not prove an association between
    measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described.'" (Did
    you even read the Economist article?) Wakefield didn't prevent anyone
    from being vaccinated; whether to vaccinate or not was, and remains, a
    parent's choice.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: When did it start?
    From: "JG" [email hidden]
    Date: 2/26/2004 4:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

    Quoted message said:

    According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....

    No, Mark; the Economist article makes no such statement.

    An example of *gang* twisting.

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed, it
    clearly states, "Dr Wakefield's conflict of interest was that he had
    received £55,000 ($90,000) from England's legal-aid board to carry out a
    second study on the relationship (if any) between MMR and autism."
    (Note the word "second."😉 Apparently Wakefield's (and his colleagues'😉
    theory of an MMR-autism link existed *before* he (they?) received any
    legal aid funds.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

    Quoted message said:

    Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....

    It appears his second study merely echoed the findings of his earlier,
    independent study.

    Quoted message said:

    I hope that any parent of a child who was injured by NOT being


    vaccinated

    Quoted message said:

    sues his shorts off.

    No rational lawyer would touch such a case: "The authors clearly state
    in the paper's discussion that 'We did not prove an association between
    measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described.'" (Did
    you even read the Economist article?) Wakefield didn't prevent anyone
    from being vaccinated; whether to vaccinate or not was, and remains, a
    parent's choice.

    As usual, Mark is trying to deceive.

    Jan

  4. "JG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

    Quoted message said:

    According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....

    No, Mark; the Economist article makes no such statement. Indeed, it
    clearly states, "Dr Wakefield's conflict of interest was that he had
    received £55,000 ($90,000) from England's legal-aid board to carry out a
    second study on the relationship (if any) between MMR and autism."
    (Note the word "second."😉 Apparently Wakefield's (and his colleagues'😉
    theory of an MMR-autism link existed *before* he (they?) received any
    legal aid funds.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

    Quoted message said:

    Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....

    It appears his second study merely echoed the findings of his earlier,
    independent study.

    Of course, you are assuming that the first study was financially suported by
    someone/thing that ispure as the driven snow...as of now, considering his
    cover-up of his funding for the second study, the funding of that first
    study should be carefully reviewed.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I hope that any parent of a child who was injured by NOT being


    vaccinated

    Quoted message said:

    sues his shorts off.

    No rational lawyer would touch such a case:

    Chuckle...rational lawyers? Like the ones who brought the Ritalin class
    action? The thimerosal class action? etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
    BWHAHAHAHAHA..if there is money to be made....

    "The authors clearly state

    Quoted message said:

    in the paper's discussion that 'We did not prove an association between
    measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described.'" (Did
    you even read the Economist article?) Wakefield didn't prevent anyone
    from being vaccinated; whether to vaccinate or not was, and remains, a
    parent's choice.

    A scared parents choice...

  5. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: When did it start?
    From: "JG" [email hidden]
    Date: 2/26/2004 4:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

    Quoted message said:

    According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....

    No, Mark; the Economist article makes no such statement.

    An example of *gang* twisting.

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed, it
    clearly states, "Dr Wakefield's conflict of interest was that he had
    received £55,000 ($90,000) from England's legal-aid board to carry out a
    second study on the relationship (if any) between MMR and autism."
    (Note the word "second."😉 Apparently Wakefield's (and his colleagues'😉
    theory of an MMR-autism link existed *before* he (they?) received any
    legal aid funds.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

    Quoted message said:

    Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....

    It appears his second study merely echoed the findings of his earlier,
    independent study.

    Quoted message said:

    I hope that any parent of a child who was injured by NOT being


    vaccinated

    Quoted message said:

    sues his shorts off.

    No rational lawyer would touch such a case: "The authors clearly state
    in the paper's discussion that 'We did not prove an association between
    measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described.'" (Did
    you even read the Economist article?) Wakefield didn't prevent anyone
    from being vaccinated; whether to vaccinate or not was, and remains, a
    parent's choice.

    As usual, Mark is trying to deceive.

    As usual, Jan does not comprehend...

  6. "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "JG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark


    [email hidden]>

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    wrote in message


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    Quoted message said:
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    When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....


    No, Mark; the Economist article makes no such statement. Indeed,


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    clearly states, "Dr Wakefield's conflict of interest was that he had
    received £55,000 ($90,000) from England's legal-aid board to carry


    out a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    second study on the relationship (if any) between MMR and autism."
    (Note the word "second."😉 Apparently Wakefield's (and his


    colleagues'😉

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    theory of an MMR-autism link existed *before* he (they?) received


    any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    legal aid funds.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It appears his second study merely echoed the findings of his


    earlier,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    independent study.

    Quoted message said:

    Of course, you are assuming that the first study was financially


    suported by

    Quoted message said:

    someone/thing that ispure as the driven snow...as of now, considering


    his

    Quoted message said:

    cover-up of his funding for the second study, the funding of that


    first

    Quoted message said:

    study should be carefully reviewed.

    It sounds like the original investigation (study) didn't have outside
    funding at all, but rather was initiated when Wakefield and some of his
    colleagues noticed what they thought was an interesting correlation
    between chronic intestinal disease and (what most would term) autism. I
    suppose they used the facilities of the Royal Free Hospital (where they
    worked), so I guess you could say the RFH "funded" the study.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I hope that any parent of a child who was injured by NOT being


    vaccinated

    Quoted message said:

    sues his shorts off.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No rational lawyer would touch such a case:

    Quoted message said:

    Chuckle...rational lawyers? Like the ones who brought the Ritalin


    class

    Quoted message said:

    action? The thimerosal class action? etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
    BWHAHAHAHAHA..if there is money to be made....

    Quoted message said:

    "The authors clearly state

    Quoted message said:

    in the paper's discussion that 'We did not prove an association


    between

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described.'"


    (Did

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you even read the Economist article?) Wakefield didn't prevent


    anyone

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    from being vaccinated; whether to vaccinate or not was, and remains,


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    parent's choice.

    Quoted message said:

    A scared parents choice...

  7. "JG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "JG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark


    [email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    wrote in message


    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....
    No, Mark; the Economist article makes no such statement. Indeed,


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    clearly states, "Dr Wakefield's conflict of interest was that he had
    received £55,000 ($90,000) from England's legal-aid board to carry


    out a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    second study on the relationship (if any) between MMR and autism."
    (Note the word "second."😉 Apparently Wakefield's (and his


    colleagues'😉

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    theory of an MMR-autism link existed *before* he (they?) received


    any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    legal aid funds.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >


    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It appears his second study merely echoed the findings of his


    earlier,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    independent study.

    Quoted message said:

    Of course, you are assuming that the first study was financially


    suported by

    Quoted message said:

    someone/thing that ispure as the driven snow...as of now, considering


    his

    Quoted message said:

    cover-up of his funding for the second study, the funding of that


    first

    Quoted message said:

    study should be carefully reviewed.

    It sounds like the original investigation (study) didn't have outside
    funding at all, but rather was initiated when Wakefield and some of his
    colleagues noticed what they thought was an interesting correlation
    between chronic intestinal disease and (what most would term) autism. I
    suppose they used the facilities of the Royal Free Hospital (where they
    worked), so I guess you could say the RFH "funded" the study.

    I would rather see some proof at this point. I hope it comes out in the
    investigation of this affair.

    snip

  8. "Mark Probert-February 27, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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    "JG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark


    [email hidden]>

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    wrote in message


    news:[email hidden]...

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    "JG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark


    [email hidden]>

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    > wrote in message


    news:[email hidden]...

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    > > When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....
    > No, Mark; the Economist article makes no such statement.


    Indeed,

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    Quoted message said:

    it

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    > clearly states, "Dr Wakefield's conflict of interest was that he


    had

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > received £55,000 ($90,000) from England's legal-aid board to


    carry

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    Quoted message said:

    out a

    Quoted message said:

    > second study on the relationship (if any) between MMR and


    autism."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > (Note the word "second."😉 Apparently Wakefield's (and his


    colleagues'😉

    Quoted message said:

    > theory of an MMR-autism link existed *before* he (they?)


    received

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    any

    Quoted message said:

    > legal aid funds.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > It appears his second study merely echoed the findings of his


    earlier,

    Quoted message said:

    > independent study.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Of course, you are assuming that the first study was financially


    suported by

    Quoted message said:

    someone/thing that ispure as the driven snow...as of now,


    considering

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    his

    Quoted message said:

    cover-up of his funding for the second study, the funding of that


    first

    Quoted message said:

    study should be carefully reviewed.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It sounds like the original investigation (study) didn't have


    outside

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    funding at all, but rather was initiated when Wakefield and some of


    his

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    colleagues noticed what they thought was an interesting correlation
    between chronic intestinal disease and (what most would term)


    autism. I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    suppose they used the facilities of the Royal Free Hospital (where


    they

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    Quoted message said:

    worked), so I guess you could say the RFH "funded" the study.

    Quoted message said:

    I would rather see some proof at this point.

    Yes; let's hope it, if it does exist, is forthcoming. Until such time,
    there's no point in speculating (right, Jonathan? <g>😉.

    I hope it comes out in the

    Quoted message said:

    investigation of this affair.

  9. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: When did it start?
    From: "JG" [email hidden]
    Date: 2/27/2004 8:51 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "JG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark


    [email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    wrote in message


    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....
    No, Mark; the Economist article makes no such statement. Indeed,


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    clearly states, "Dr Wakefield's conflict of interest was that he had
    received £55,000 ($90,000) from England's legal-aid board to carry


    out a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    second study on the relationship (if any) between MMR and autism."
    (Note the word "second."😉 Apparently Wakefield's (and his


    colleagues'😉

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    theory of an MMR-autism link existed *before* he (they?) received


    any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    legal aid funds.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >


    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It appears his second study merely echoed the findings of his


    earlier,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    independent study.

    Quoted message said:

    Of course, you are assuming that the first study was financially


    suported by

    Quoted message said:

    someone/thing that ispure as the driven snow...as of now, considering


    his

    Quoted message said:

    cover-up of his funding for the second study, the funding of that


    first

    Quoted message said:

    study should be carefully reviewed.

    It sounds like the original investigation (study) didn't have outside
    funding at all, but rather was initiated when Wakefield and some of his
    colleagues noticed what they thought was an interesting correlation
    between chronic intestinal disease and (what most would term) autism. I
    suppose they used the facilities of the Royal Free Hospital (where they
    worked), so I guess you could say the RFH "funded" the study.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I hope that any parent of a child who was injured by NOT being
    vaccinated
    > sues his shorts off.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No rational lawyer would touch such a case:

    Quoted message said:

    Chuckle...rational lawyers? Like the ones who brought the Ritalin


    class action?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    The thimerosal class action?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

    Quoted message said:

    BWHAHAHAHAHA..if there is money to be made....

    Coming from a failed dishonest lawyer

    ..>"The authors clearly state

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in the paper's discussion that 'We did not prove an association


    between

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described.'"


    (Did

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you even read the Economist article?) Wakefield didn't prevent


    anyone

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    from being vaccinated; whether to vaccinate or not was, and remains,


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    parent's choice.

    Quoted message said:

    A scared parents choice...

    Exactly. With reason to be scared.

    http://www.909shot.com/

    Jan

  10. Janny...JG post only in m.k.h and not in m.h.a. and you have been now outed
    as a liar for the second time this evening.

    I suspect that you saw my post, went to m.k.h. and copied and pasted...

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    Subject: Re: When did it start?
    From: "JG" [email hidden]
    Date: 2/27/2004 8:51 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "JG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark


    [email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    > wrote in message


    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > > When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

    Quoted message said:

    > > According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....
    > No, Mark; the Economist article makes no such statement. Indeed,


    it

    Quoted message said:

    > clearly states, "Dr Wakefield's conflict of interest was that he had
    > received £55,000 ($90,000) from England's legal-aid board to carry


    out a

    Quoted message said:

    > second study on the relationship (if any) between MMR and autism."
    > (Note the word "second."😉 Apparently Wakefield's (and his


    colleagues'😉

    Quoted message said:

    > theory of an MMR-autism link existed *before* he (they?) received


    any

    Quoted message said:

    > legal aid funds.

    Quoted message said:

    > >


    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

    Quoted message said:

    > > Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....

    Quoted message said:

    > It appears his second study merely echoed the findings of his


    earlier,

    Quoted message said:

    > independent study.

    Quoted message said:

    Of course, you are assuming that the first study was financially


    suported by

    Quoted message said:

    someone/thing that ispure as the driven snow...as of now, considering


    his

    Quoted message said:

    cover-up of his funding for the second study, the funding of that


    first

    Quoted message said:

    study should be carefully reviewed.

    It sounds like the original investigation (study) didn't have outside
    funding at all, but rather was initiated when Wakefield and some of his
    colleagues noticed what they thought was an interesting correlation
    between chronic intestinal disease and (what most would term) autism. I
    suppose they used the facilities of the Royal Free Hospital (where they
    worked), so I guess you could say the RFH "funded" the study.

    Quoted message said:

    > > I hope that any parent of a child who was injured by NOT being
    > vaccinated
    > > sues his shorts off.

    Quoted message said:

    > No rational lawyer would touch such a case:

    Quoted message said:

    Chuckle...rational lawyers? Like the ones who brought the Ritalin


    class action?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    The thimerosal class action?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

    Quoted message said:

    BWHAHAHAHAHA..if there is money to be made....

    Coming from a failed dishonest lawyer

    .>"The authors clearly state

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > in the paper's discussion that 'We did not prove an association


    between

    Quoted message said:

    > measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described.'"


    (Did

    Quoted message said:

    > you even read the Economist article?) Wakefield didn't prevent


    anyone

    Quoted message said:

    > from being vaccinated; whether to vaccinate or not was, and remains,


    a

    Quoted message said:

    > parent's choice.

    Quoted message said:

    A scared parents choice...

    Exactly. With reason to be scared.

    http://www.909shot.com/

    Jan

  11. "JG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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    When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

    Quoted message said:

    According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....

    No, Mark; the Economist article makes no such statement. Indeed, it
    clearly states, "Dr Wakefield's conflict of interest was that he had
    received £55,000 ($90,000) from England's legal-aid board to carry out a
    second study on the relationship (if any) between MMR and autism."
    (Note the word "second."😉 Apparently Wakefield's (and his colleagues'😉
    theory of an MMR-autism link existed *before* he (they?) received any
    legal aid funds.

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    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

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    Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....

    It appears his second study merely echoed the findings of his earlier,
    independent study.

    And the reason why he didn't taint his first study so he could get funds for
    the second study is what?

    Please answer this the same way you would if he were a pro-vaccine
    researcher who got a grant to continue his work from drug companies.

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    I hope that any parent of a child who was injured by NOT being


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    sues his shorts off.

    No rational lawyer would touch such a case: "The authors clearly state
    in the paper's discussion that 'We did not prove an association between
    measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described.'" (Did
    you even read the Economist article?) Wakefield didn't prevent anyone
    from being vaccinated; whether to vaccinate or not was, and remains, a
    parent's choice.

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    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
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    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark


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    > When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

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    > According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....
    No, Mark; the Economist article makes no such statement. Indeed,


    it

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    clearly states, "Dr Wakefield's conflict of interest was that he had
    received £55,000 ($90,000) from England's legal-aid board to carry


    out a

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    second study on the relationship (if any) between MMR and autism."
    (Note the word "second."😉 Apparently Wakefield's (and his


    colleagues'😉

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    theory of an MMR-autism link existed *before* he (they?) received


    any

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    legal aid funds.

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    >


    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

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    > Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....

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    It appears his second study merely echoed the findings of his


    earlier,

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    independent study.

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    Of course, you are assuming that the first study was financially


    suported by

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    someone/thing that ispure as the driven snow...as of now, considering


    his

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    cover-up of his funding for the second study, the funding of that


    first

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    study should be carefully reviewed.

    It sounds like the original investigation (study) didn't have outside
    funding at all, but rather was initiated when Wakefield and some of his
    colleagues noticed what they thought was an interesting correlation
    between chronic intestinal disease and (what most would term) autism. I
    suppose they used the facilities of the Royal Free Hospital (where they
    worked), so I guess you could say the RFH "funded" the study.

    I'm still looking for the publication of the first study.

    js

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    "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>
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    "JG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > "Mark Probert-February 26, 2004" <Mark


    [email hidden]>

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    > wrote in message


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    > > When did Wakefield start his campaign of scaremongering?

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    > > According to this article 1998, after money changed hands....
    > No, Mark; the Economist article makes no such statement. Indeed,


    it

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    > clearly states, "Dr Wakefield's conflict of interest was that he had
    > received £55,000 ($90,000) from England's legal-aid board to carry


    out a

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    > second study on the relationship (if any) between MMR and autism."
    > (Note the word "second."😉 Apparently Wakefield's (and his


    colleagues'😉

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    > theory of an MMR-autism link existed *before* he (they?) received


    any

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    > legal aid funds.

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    > >


    http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2459156

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    > > Andrew Wakefield..bought and paid for....


    sure?

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    > It appears his second study merely echoed the findings of his


    earlier,

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    > independent study.

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    Of course, you are assuming that the first study was financially


    suported by

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    someone/thing that ispure as the driven snow...as of now, considering


    his

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    cover-up of his funding for the second study, the funding of that


    first

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    study should be carefully reviewed.

    It sounds like the original investigation (study) didn't have outside
    funding at all, but rather was initiated when Wakefield and some of his
    colleagues noticed what they thought was an interesting correlation
    between chronic intestinal disease and (what most would term) autism. I
    suppose they used the facilities of the Royal Free Hospital (where they
    worked), so I guess you could say the RFH "funded" the study.

    I'm still looking for the publication of the first study.

    js

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