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  1. For a while recently I was on a duirectic for high blood pressure.
    (Am off that now, and onto different meds, but that's another story.)
    Anyway, while on the diuretic, I was advised to eat foods to
    supplement my potassium intake.

    I went to a vitamin store to look for potassium supplements. I was
    surprised to discover that they all had dosages which were listed as
    being around 3% of the daily recommended dose. This surprised me --
    most dietary supplements have anywhere's from 50% to 100% of the
    recommended daily allowance.

    Why are the supplements so low on potassium?

    Thanks in advance for all replies.

    Steve O.

    Standard Antiflame Disclaimer: Please don't flame me. I may actually *be* an idiot, but even idiots have feelings.

  2. "Steven O." <Steven@OpZZREMOVE_ALL_Zs_AND_ALL_BETWEEN_ZZComm.com> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    For a while recently I was on a duirectic for high blood pressure.
    (Am off that now, and onto different meds, but that's another story.)
    Anyway, while on the diuretic, I was advised to eat foods to
    supplement my potassium intake.

    I went to a vitamin store to look for potassium supplements. I was
    surprised to discover that they all had dosages which were listed as
    being around 3% of the daily recommended dose. This surprised me --
    most dietary supplements have anywhere's from 50% to 100% of the
    recommended daily allowance.

    Why are the supplements so low on potassium?

    Thanks in advance for all replies.

    Steve O.

    "Dietary supplements" don't really need to have potassium at all.
    Potassium is plentiful in foods, being the main intracellular ion of both
    animals and plants.

    Peter Moran

  3. I too was very surprised about that tiny percentage of potassum in each
    pill when, several years ago, I was cruising the vitamin/supplement
    isle at my local drigstore. Left me wondering why anyone would even
    spend their money for and bother with so little substance. As a food,
    probably bananas & oranges rank quite high in potassium levels, &
    that's my main source,

    So I don't kow the answer to your question as I'm puzzled as well.

  4. Op Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:40:39 GMT schreef Steven O.
    <Steven@OpZZREMOVE_ALL_Zs_AND_ALL_BETWEEN_ZZComm.com>:

    Quoted message said:

    For a while recently I was on a duirectic for high blood pressure.
    (Am off that now, and onto different meds, but that's another story.)
    Anyway, while on the diuretic, I was advised to eat foods to
    supplement my potassium intake.

    I went to a vitamin store to look for potassium supplements. I was
    surprised to discover that they all had dosages which were listed as
    being around 3% of the daily recommended dose. This surprised me --
    most dietary supplements have anywhere's from 50% to 100% of the
    recommended daily allowance.

    Why are the supplements so low on potassium?

    Thanks in advance for all replies.

    Since there's plenty of potassium in what you would normally eat,
    there's little point in taking potassium as a supplement. Also know
    that overdosing on potassium can cause cardiac arrythmia's so be
    careful not to take too much.

    Robert Bronsing

  5. (Carrot juice is a good source of potassium and other minerals)
    Anth

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I too was very surprised about that tiny percentage of potassum in each
    pill when, several years ago, I was cruising the vitamin/supplement
    isle at my local drigstore. Left me wondering why anyone would even
    spend their money for and bother with so little substance. As a food,
    probably bananas & oranges rank quite high in potassium levels, &
    that's my main source,

    So I don't kow the answer to your question as I'm puzzled as well.

  6. Sodium/Potassium Balance

    I think there's a sodium/potassium balance. If you eat a lot of salt,
    then you might need more potassium to help counter this. ???

    Probably depends on one's diet.

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  7. Bronsing <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Op Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:40:39 GMT schreef Steven O.
    <Steven@OpZZREMOVE_ALL_Zs_AND_ALL_BETWEEN_ZZComm.com>:

    Quoted message said:

    For a while recently I was on a duirectic for high blood pressure.
    (Am off that now, and onto different meds, but that's another story.)
    Anyway, while on the diuretic, I was advised to eat foods to
    supplement my potassium intake.

    I went to a vitamin store to look for potassium supplements. I was
    surprised to discover that they all had dosages which were listed as
    being around 3% of the daily recommended dose. This surprised me --
    most dietary supplements have anywhere's from 50% to 100% of the
    recommended daily allowance.

    Why are the supplements so low on potassium?

    Thanks in advance for all replies.

    Since there's plenty of potassium in what you would normally eat,
    there's little point in taking potassium as a supplement. Also know
    that overdosing on potassium can cause cardiac arrythmia's so be
    careful not to take too much.

    Robert Bronsing

    COMMENT:

    So there's plenty of potassium in food, but you should take too much
    due to the danger of cardiac arrythmias? Sorry, can't have it both
    ways.

    The truth is the normal diet has about 80 meq of K in it, which is
    2400 mg. Medical potassium supplements tend to be from 10 to 40 meq,
    which is 400 to 1600 mg. There's about 300 mg in a glass of milk or
    juice.

    The ONLY reason why health food stores can't sell pills with more than
    99 mg is that when KCl as a solid contacts tissue, it can raise K
    levels high enough to cause tissue death, and people have gotten holes
    in their intestines from pills which just contained a slug of KCl. So
    solutions of hundreds of milligrams of K are safe (indeed as safe as
    milk or juice) but pills containing that much aren't safe unless they
    have a fairly complicated slow release system to keep the K levels
    next to your gut tissue down. A raisin can be thought of as such a
    system. As can any of the prescription pills with hundred so
    milligrams. But not any of the pills you can buy without
    prescription.

    I expect all this to change in coming years, as slow release K pills
    become available OTC. And people will pay a lot more money for them
    than raisins, too <g>. There's nothing to make some people feel good
    like taking a pill.

    SBH

  8. [email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Sodium/Potassium Balance

    I think there's a sodium/potassium balance. If you eat a lot of salt,
    then you might need more potassium to help counter this. ???

    Probably depends on one's diet.

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

    That's what I read in an "altie" source, that since reducing
    sodium intake is so difficult these days, it's easier to
    just add a bit of potassium. Since I did have my blood
    pressure up a little, I decided to give it a try. (Good thing
    they have those blood pressure monitors installed in
    drugstores etc.) The sensible thing seemed to me to
    regularly monitor my blood pressure, and stop the potassium
    intake if it went down to the normal range. It did work for
    me, with the "99 mg" pills, they got the blood
    pressure down into the normal range.

  9. Steven O. <Steven@OpZZREMOVE_ALL_Zs_AND_ALL_BETWEEN_ZZComm.com> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    The new world order / pharmaceutical-chemical cartel don't like people
    to be too aware of the good nutritional supplements and particularly
    minerals, can do and have worked conscientiously over the year to
    reduce the quality of all supplements and cut out information about
    them, to the point where nobody really knows much about macro-minerals
    any more.

    Codex Alimentarius - The Plan To Ban All Vitamins, Minerals, Herbs and
    Supplements
    http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/health_movement_against_codex/index.htm

    Sodium does have to be balanced with potassium, but also with calcium
    and magnesium. This is the study of cellsalts which is a
    long-forgotten therapy due to suppression by our current
    pharmaceutical cartel approved system.

    Unfortunately new world order can't make money out of nutritional
    supplements, but another point is that they don't want people to be
    too healthy as they are easier to manipulate and brain-wash if they
    operating just a little below par. This is the reason they are pushing
    to ultimately remove or make low ineffective doses of essential
    nutrients, like potassium.

    Looks like Bronsing has been a good subject for mind control. His
    science degree hasn't given him any insight into this essential
    nutrient, although they do give rather large doses of potassum to
    racing horses to keep them in prime condition.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/cellsalts.htm
    "Nothing would be what it is, 
    Because everything would be what it isn’t.
    And contrary-wise: what it is, it wouldn’t be. 
    And what it wouldn’t be, it would. 
    You see?"
    -- Alice’s Adventures In Wonderland, 1865, by Lewis Carroll,
    English writer and mathematician.

  10. Bronsing <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Op Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:40:39 GMT schreef Steven O.
    <Steven@OpZZREMOVE_ALL_Zs_AND_ALL_BETWEEN_ZZComm.com>:

    Quoted message said:

    For a while recently I was on a duirectic for high blood pressure.
    (Am off that now, and onto different meds, but that's another story.)
    Anyway, while on the diuretic, I was advised to eat foods to
    supplement my potassium intake.

    I went to a vitamin store to look for potassium supplements. I was
    surprised to discover that they all had dosages which were listed as
    being around 3% of the daily recommended dose. This surprised me --
    most dietary supplements have anywhere's from 50% to 100% of the
    recommended daily allowance.

    Why are the supplements so low on potassium?

    Thanks in advance for all replies.

    Since there's plenty of potassium in what you would normally eat,
    there's little point in taking potassium as a supplement. Also know
    that overdosing on potassium can cause cardiac arrythmia's so be
    careful not to take too much.

    Robert Bronsing

    Yes, supplement with 100% RDA of potassium would be dangerous. The
    only way to avoid any chance of risk is to reduce the dose to
    insignificant. This is why OTC potassium supps are not generally used.

    Regards, NT

  11. "soft-eng" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sodium/Potassium Balance

    I think there's a sodium/potassium balance. If you eat a lot of salt,
    then you might need more potassium to help counter this. ???

    Probably depends on one's diet.

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

    That's what I read in an "altie" source, that since reducing
    sodium intake is so difficult these days, it's easier to
    just add a bit of potassium. Since I did have my blood
    pressure up a little, I decided to give it a try. (Good thing
    they have those blood pressure monitors installed in
    drugstores etc.)

    I have heard that those machines are notoriously inaccurate. Better invest
    in a home BP monitoring system.

  12. What about using potassium bicarbonate in one's diet?

    The potassium chloride (KCl) would probably be acid-forming, ... the
    potassium bicarbonate, alkaline-forming.

    ???

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  13. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Question on Potassium Supplements
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 1/20/04 7:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    What about using potassium bicarbonate in one's diet?

    The potassium chloride (KCl) would probably be acid-forming, ... the
    potassium bicarbonate, alkaline-forming.

    ???

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions


    Potassium salts are even more lethal and deadly that its counter part Sodium.

    Potassium Iodide is added to regular salt, sodium chloride, but in very, very
    small amounts.

    DrC PhD

  14. In sci.med Carole <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : Steven O. <Steven@OpZZREMOVE_ALL_Zs_AND_ALL_BETWEEN_ZZComm.com> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    : The new world order / pharmaceutical-chemical cartel don't like people
    : to be too aware of the good nutritional supplements and particularly
    : minerals, can do and have worked conscientiously over the year to
    : reduce the quality of all supplements and cut out information about
    : them, to the point where nobody really knows much about macro-minerals
    : any more.

    Um, yeah, that's it.

    Realistically, though, hyperkalemia can stop your heart.

    Potassium is one of the electrolytes. Electrolytes carry electrical
    signals -- the heart signals being one of them.

    In fact, potassium overdose is how they stop the heart when they do lethal
    injection.

    Potassium OD can be fatal. My aunt's mother (by marriage) died this way on
    a combination of diuretics and potassium supplements.

    They did surgery, put in a pacemaker. The damage was too much.

    Emma

  15. "Mark ProbertJanuary 20, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "soft-eng" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sodium/Potassium Balance

    I think there's a sodium/potassium balance. If you eat a lot of salt,
    then you might need more potassium to help counter this. ???

    Probably depends on one's diet.

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

    That's what I read in an "altie" source, that since reducing
    sodium intake is so difficult these days, it's easier to
    just add a bit of potassium. Since I did have my blood
    pressure up a little, I decided to give it a try. (Good thing
    they have those blood pressure monitors installed in
    drugstores etc.)

    I have heard that those machines are notoriously inaccurate. Better invest
    in a home BP monitoring system.

    Sounds like a good idea -- but my personal experience was I got
    consistent results different times and at different stores.

    One issue maybe the possibility of user errors. If you
    keep your arm inside the clothes, a wrinkle in the arm
    of your shirt, or the thickness of the cloth, may affect results.

  16. [email hidden] (Carole) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Steven O. <Steven@OpZZREMOVE_ALL_Zs_AND_ALL_BETWEEN_ZZComm.com> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    The new world order / pharmaceutical-chemical cartel don't like people
    to be too aware of the good nutritional supplements and particularly
    minerals, can do and have worked conscientiously over the year to
    reduce the quality of all supplements and cut out information about
    them, to the point where nobody really knows much about macro-minerals
    any more.

    There is MORE information than ever before about nutrition available
    to just about anyone. There is no "New World Order", just people who
    use it as a catch-phrase to explain the lack of acceptance of their
    particular ideas.

    Quoted message said:

    Codex Alimentarius - The Plan To Ban All Vitamins, Minerals, Herbs and
    Supplements
    http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMACEUTICAL_BUSINESS/health_movement_against_codex/index.htm

    There is no "Master Plan" for *anything* -- least of all some secret
    organization devoting its time to supressing information about
    products they can (& do) make a bundle from. Vitamins & other
    supplements *aren't* free. They are commonly sold at prices that
    rival those of many OTC pharmaceuticals. Priced supplements like
    Sam-E, Glucosamine/MSM, or Quercetin recently? The supplement
    industry is just that -- an industry. It's made up of companies who
    make a good profit for their owners. They do not give away their
    products any more than Pfizer or Ayerst give away theirs. They are
    not more ethical or concerned about consumers than those selling
    conventional health care products. For every website claiming some
    conspiracy exists to prevent people from "finding out the truth" about
    *anything*, there are 10 others that demonstrate by their existence
    the falsehood of such a premise.

    Quoted message said:

    Sodium does have to be balanced with potassium, but also with calcium
    and magnesium. This is the study of cellsalts which is a
    long-forgotten therapy due to suppression by our current
    pharmaceutical cartel approved system.

    Pharmaceutical companies are some of the biggest producers & marketers
    of supplements. The theory of cell salts has not been "suppressed",
    it has been left behind with other ineffective treatments/cures that
    did little to help those who used them. Nobody has suppressed your
    claims of cell salts being the answer for everything except
    decapitation -- you've simply confused inacceptance with suppression.
    They are worlds apart. Suppression would involve actually stopping
    you from voicing your opinion. As you are here doing exactly what you
    insist is being suppressed, you've proven it's not true.

    Quoted message said:

    Unfortunately new world order can't make money out of nutritional
    supplements,

    Nutritional supplements make those selling them a great deal of money.
    They aren't handed out for free on street corners. They are
    purchased in stores where merchants pay rent, utilities, & advertising
    costs while still making a good profit on what they sell. The
    companies that produce, package, & market vitamins, herbs, & other
    nutritional products answer to stockholders or private owners. There
    are employees & other costs of doing business to be paid.

    Quoted message said:

    but another point is that they don't want people to be
    too healthy as they are easier to manipulate and brain-wash if they
    operating just a little below par.

    The items that make people feel good &/or look good are those in
    demand. The products that deliver on that promise are easy to sell,
    whether they include the pharmaceutical companies' offerings,
    supplements, cigarettes, food products, or any other consumer goods.
    Your wishful "us & them" thinking doesn't cut it because in a world as
    diverse as the one we live in there isn't such a thing. The guy
    popping Prilosec may also be the one who smokes & drinks too much.
    The woman who takes ginseng & cell salts may well be 50 lbs.
    overweight & think the remote control is an exercise device. Neither
    one may be the glowing picture of vitality, but it probably would have
    little to do with what they're swallowing from a bottle. Good health
    certainly isn't exclusive to any one practice & to say it is denies
    reality.

    Quoted message said:

    This is the reason they are pushing
    to ultimately remove or make low ineffective doses of essential
    nutrients, like potassium.

    Healthy people with normal fluid intake & output rarely need potassium
    supplementation. There are regular everyday foods that supply all the
    potassium needed. Those who need any supplementation usually require
    it because of a medical problem.

    Quoted message said:

    Looks like Bronsing has been a good subject for mind control. His
    science degree hasn't given him any insight into this essential
    nutrient,

    It would seem more likely that you are the perfect candidate for the
    mind control you claim is rampant. The belief in "a conspiracy under
    every rock" makes you quite ready to accept any idea if the level of
    paranoia is high enough. Your suspicion of education, along with your
    belief that those who know what you don't are somehow "brainwashed"
    presents a poser -- who is doing all this sinister mind control if the
    educated folks are being "controlled"?
    The notion contradicts itself -- as almost all ideas based in nothing
    but fear do.

    Quoted message said:

    although they do give rather large doses of potassum to
    racing horses to keep them in prime condition.

    According to what source? One could also give the example that
    starfish grow back cut-off rays -- so what? Does it follow that
    amputated arms grow back on people? Are the physiological processes
    of every species identical? Of course not. Otherwise we could feed
    you oats & barley & let you run around a track while people with
    gambling problems bet their mortgage money on you.

    Michele
    I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

  17. "Steven O." <Steven@OpZZREMOVE_ALL_Zs_AND_ALL_BETWEEN_ZZComm.com> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    For a while recently I was on a duirectic for high blood pressure.
    (Am off that now, and onto different meds, but that's another story.)
    Anyway, while on the diuretic, I was advised to eat foods to
    supplement my potassium intake.

    I went to a vitamin store to look for potassium supplements. I was
    surprised to discover that they all had dosages which were listed as
    being around 3% of the daily recommended dose. This surprised me --
    most dietary supplements have anywhere's from 50% to 100% of the
    recommended daily allowance.

    Why are the supplements so low on potassium?

    Thanks in advance for all replies.

    The maximum dose of potassium permitted by the FDA in OTC supplements is 99
    mg. This is presumably to avoid the possible overdoses that other posters
    referred to, although this is extremely unlikely at such low levels. It
    takes MUCH higher doses of potassium to do that; and the adult RDA is 3 to 5
    grams.

    JA Golczewski, Ph.D.
    http://users.rcn.com/jigo/jg.HTM
    Updates, free book on health and life-extension

    Quoted message said:


    Standard Antiflame Disclaimer: Please don't flame me. I may actually


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  18. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Question on Potassium Supplements
    From: "JG" [email hidden]
    Date: 1/22/04 1:22 PM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    It
    takes MUCH higher doses of potassium to do that; and the adult RDA is 3 to 5
    grams.

    Sodium chloride, plain table salt, at high
    doses, has been used for centuries by the Chinese to commit suicide.

    Potassium chloride is even more poisonous.

    Can you supply supporting evidence for your RDA claim?

    DrC PhD

  19. [email hidden] (Michele) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Carole) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Steven O. <Steven@OpZZREMOVE_ALL_Zs_AND_ALL_BETWEEN_ZZComm.com> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    The new world order / pharmaceutical-chemical cartel don't like people
    to be too aware of the good nutritional supplements and particularly
    minerals, can do and have worked conscientiously over the year to
    reduce the quality of all supplements and cut out information about
    them, to the point where nobody really knows much about macro-minerals
    any more.

    There is MORE information than ever before about nutrition available
    to just about anyone. There is no "New World Order", just people who
    use it as a catch-phrase to explain the lack of acceptance of their
    particular ideas.

    Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm

  20. Emma Chase VanCott <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In sci.med Carole <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : Steven O. <Steven@OpZZREMOVE_ALL_Zs_AND_ALL_BETWEEN_ZZComm.com> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    : The new world order / pharmaceutical-chemical cartel don't like people
    : to be too aware of the good nutritional supplements and particularly
    : minerals, can do and have worked conscientiously over the year to
    : reduce the quality of all supplements and cut out information about
    : them, to the point where nobody really knows much about macro-minerals
    : any more.

    Um, yeah, that's it.

    Realistically, though, hyperkalemia can stop your heart.

    Potassium is one of the electrolytes. Electrolytes carry electrical
    signals -- the heart signals being one of them.

    In fact, potassium overdose is how they stop the heart when they do lethal
    injection.

    Potassium OD can be fatal. My aunt's mother (by marriage) died this way on
    a combination of diuretics and potassium supplements.

    They did surgery, put in a pacemaker. The damage was too much.

    Emma

    Interesting and point taken.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/health.htm

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