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  1. This is from the race's official website:

    letour.comindex.html

    The scene was set for a fun showdown for stage honors. But Ullrich made two mistakes today. He
    crashed out of his challenge for a second stage win in the 2003 event; and it's highly likely that
    he did this because he chose to stay in bed and watch a video tape of the course instead of doing a
    reconnaissance ride as Armstrong did at 8.30 in the morning. How can you judge what pace is safe on
    a treacherous turn when you've only seen it on television?

    <snip>

    It is a legitimate question, but I'm surprised to see that on the official website.

    would have had a shot at winning the stage itself.

  2. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    The scene was set for a fun showdown for stage honors. But Ullrich made


    two

    Quoted message said:

    mistakes today. He crashed out of his challenge for a second stage win in the 2003 event; and it's
    highly likely that he did this because he chose


    to

    Quoted message said:

    stay in bed and watch a video tape of the course instead of doing a reconnaissance ride as
    Armstrong did at 8.30 in the morning. How can you judge what pace is safe on a treacherous turn
    when you've only seen it on television?

    I doubt he automatically would have been able to judge pace by sitting in the passenger seat of a
    car or even pre riding the course several months ago, unless it was raining then, too. The changes
    in the physical characteristics of the road (wet grip) and sitting in an enclosed 4 wheeled vehicle
    differ too much from riding a bike in similar conditions to get a grasp of the edge of safe riding
    speeds that Jan needed yesterday.

    That said, it wouldn't have hurt Jan to have driven the course yesterday. IMO, there is useful
    information you could gather by driving the course such as anticipating the direction of
    upcoming turns or noteworthy paint stripes, I just don't think it would have prevented the fall
    that did occur.

  3. "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    The scene was set for a fun showdown for stage honors. But Ullrich made


    two

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    mistakes today. He crashed out of his challenge for a second stage win


    in

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    the 2003 event; and it's highly likely that he did this because he chose


    to

    Quoted message said:

    stay in bed and watch a video tape of the course instead of doing a reconnaissance ride as
    Armstrong did at 8.30 in the morning. How can you judge what pace is safe on a treacherous turn
    when you've only seen it


    on

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    television?

    I doubt he automatically would have been able to judge pace by sitting in the passenger seat of a
    car or even pre riding the course several months ago, unless it was raining then, too. The changes
    in the physical characteristics of the road (wet grip) and sitting in an enclosed 4


    wheeled

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    vehicle differ too much from riding a bike in similar conditions to get a grasp of the edge of
    safe riding speeds that Jan needed yesterday.

    That said, it wouldn't have hurt Jan to have driven the course yesterday. IMO, there is useful
    information you could gather by driving the course


    such

    Quoted message said:

    as anticipating the direction of upcoming turns or noteworthy paint


    stripes,

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    I just don't think it would have prevented the fall that did occur.

    Didn't Armstrong ride it? Reread the snippet from letour.com

  4. Kurgan Gringioni said:

    "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    instead of doing a reconnaissance ride as Armstrong did at 8.30 in the morning.

    Didn't Armstrong ride it? Reread the snippet from letour.com

    No, he went round in the team car. Did you read it on the same site that said Stage 19 was a TTT?

    Alan.

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    Change the 'minus' to 'plus' to reply by e-mail. dvatc.co.ukdvatc.co.uk - Off-road Cycling in the
    North Midlands.

  5. Talent wise Ullrich probably has more than Lance but it been painfully obvious that Lance still
    works a hell of a lot harder than Jan. He needs to dump is Director and sign on with Barney Rice.

    Carl Sundquist said:


    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    The scene was set for a fun showdown for stage honors. But Ullrich made


    two

    Quoted message said:

    mistakes today. He crashed out of his challenge for a second stage win in the 2003 event; and
    it's highly likely that he did this because he chose


    to

    Quoted message said:

    stay in bed and watch a video tape of the course instead of doing a reconnaissance ride as
    Armstrong did at 8.30 in the morning. How can you judge what pace is safe on a treacherous turn
    when you've only seen it on television?

    I doubt he automatically would have been able to judge pace by sitting in the passenger seat of a
    car or even pre riding the course several months ago, unless it was raining then, too. The changes
    in the physical characteristics of the road (wet grip) and sitting in an enclosed 4 wheeled vehicle
    differ too much from riding a bike in similar conditions to get a grasp of the edge of safe riding
    speeds that Jan needed yesterday.

    That said, it wouldn't have hurt Jan to have driven the course yesterday. IMO, there is useful
    information you could gather by driving the course such as anticipating the direction of
    upcoming turns or noteworthy paint stripes, I just don't think it would have prevented the fall
    that did occur.

  6. "A Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kurgan Gringioni said:

    "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote


    in

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    message
    >instead of doing a reconnaissance ride as Armstrong did at 8.30 in the morning.

    Didn't Armstrong ride it? Reread the snippet from letour.com

    No, he went round in the team car. Did you read it on the same site that said Stage 19 was a TTT?

    ya.

  7. "Shrek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Talent wise Ullrich probably has more than Lance but it been painfully


    obvious

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    that Lance still works a hell of a lot harder than Jan. He needs to dump


    is

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    Director and sign on with Barney Rice.

    JAN doesn't want to work that hard.

  8. Friend of a friend told me Jan did not want to ride the course because he was really getting into a
    Sponge Bob episode in his hotel room.

    Kurgan Gringioni said:


    "Shrek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Talent wise Ullrich probably has more than Lance but it been painfully


    obvious

    Quoted message said:

    that Lance still works a hell of a lot harder than Jan. He needs to dump


    is

    Quoted message said:

    Director and sign on with Barney Rice.

    JAN doesn't want to work that hard.

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