Re: Randomized Controlled Trials: CAM

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Subject: Re: Randomized Controlled Trials: CAM
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 12/18/2003 1:50 AM Central Standard Time
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http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=151673

Randomized controlled trials in pediatric complementary and alternative
medicine: Where can they be found?
Margaret Sampson,1 Kaitryn Campbell,2 Isola Ajiferuke,3 and David Moher1,4

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Somewhat dents the lie that you cannot get CAM methods tested, doesn't it?

Peter Moran

It certainly dents the lie that none of alternative has been proven, doest't
it?

Your post didn't say that CAM had been proven, rather that some
portions of it have been tested...big difference.

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Perhaps the debunkers have no interest in reading CAM's RTC.

Now that's a lie.

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At any rate it appears to be informative information. Doing a bit of research
to see what is being done is a step in the right direction.

I hold the same opinion and agree.

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Jan

Mark, MD

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Subject: Re: Randomized Controlled Trials: CAM
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 12/18/2003 1:50 AM Central Standard Time
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http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=151673

Randomized controlled trials in pediatric complementary and alternative
medicine: Where can they be found?
Margaret Sampson,1 Kaitryn Campbell,2 Isola Ajiferuke,3 and David

Moher1,4

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1Chalmers Research Group, Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario

Research

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Institute, Canada 2The Ottawa Hospital, Canada 3Faculty of Information

and

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Media Studies, The University of Western Ontario, Canada 4Department of
Pediatrics, University of Ottawa, Canada

Corresponding author.

Margaret Sampson: [email hidden]; Kaitryn Campbell:
[email hidden]; Isola Ajiferuke: [email hidden];
David Moher: [email hidden]

Received May 28, 2002; Accepted February 14, 2003; Published February

14,

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2003

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Abstract

Background
The safety and effectiveness of CAM interventions are of great

relevance

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to

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pediatric health care providers. The objective of this study is to

identify

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sources of reported randomized controlled trials (RCTs) in the field of
pediatric complementary and alternative medicine (CAM).

Methods
Reports of RCTs were identified by searching Medline and 12 additional
bibliographic databases and by reviewing the reference lists of

previously

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identified pediatric CAM systematic reviews.

Results
We identified 908 reports of RCTs that included children under 18 and
investigated a CAM therapy. Since 1965, there has been a steady growth

in

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number of these trials that are being published. The four journals that
published the most reported RCTs are The American Journal of Clinical
Nutrition, Pediatrics, Journal of Pediatrics, and Lancet. Medline, CAB

Health,

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and Embase were the best database sources for identifying these

studies;

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they

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indexed 93.2%, 58.4% and 42.2 % respectively of the journals publishing

reports

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of pediatric CAM RCTs.

Somewhat dents the lie that you cannot get CAM methods tested, doesn't

it?

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Peter Moran

It certainly dents the lie that none of alternative has been proven,

doest't

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it?

Actually, Janny-poo, it does no such thing. It proves that CAM has been
tested, and is being tested, but, the report makes no conclusion on the
rsults of the testing. The simple fact is that there is information
available.

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Perhaps the debunkers have no interest in reading CAM's RTC.

We have been, and, when they show that some form of CAM is useless, you
dismiss the findings as part of EOM. IOW, you are, yet again, demonstrating
that you are a hypocrite.

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At any rate it appears to be informative information. Doing a bit of

research

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to see what is being done is a step in the right direction.

A step that you refuse to take.

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Subject: Re: Randomized Controlled Trials: CAM
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 12/18/2003 1:50 AM Central Standard Time
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> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=151673
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> Randomized controlled trials in pediatric complementary and

alternative

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> medicine: Where can they be found?
> Margaret Sampson,1 Kaitryn Campbell,2 Isola Ajiferuke,3 and David

Moher1,4

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Somewhat dents the lie that you cannot get CAM methods tested, doesn't

it?

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Peter Moran

It certainly dents the lie that none of alternative has been proven,

doest't

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it?

Your post didn't say that CAM had been proven, rather that some
portions of it have been tested...big difference.

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Perhaps the debunkers have no interest in reading CAM's RTC.

Now that's a lie.

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At any rate it appears to be informative information. Doing a bit of

research

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to see what is being done is a step in the right direction.

I hold the same opinion and agree.

But you will not reject it automatically if it shows that the CAM does not
work.

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Subject: Re: Randomized Controlled Trials: CAM
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 12/19/2003 1:38 AM Central Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Randomized Controlled Trials: CAM
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 12/18/2003 1:50 AM Central Standard Time
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=151673
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> Randomized controlled trials in pediatric complementary and alternative
> medicine: Where can they be found?
> Margaret Sampson,1 Kaitryn Campbell,2 Isola Ajiferuke,3 and David

Moher1,4

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Somewhat dents the lie that you cannot get CAM methods tested, doesn't

it?

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Peter Moran

It certainly dents the lie that none of alternative has been proven,

doest't

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it?

Your post didn't say that CAM had been proven, rather that some
portions of it have been tested...big difference.

Read my statement again.

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It certainly dents the lie that none of alternative has been proven, doest't

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it?

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Perhaps the debunkers have no interest in reading CAM's RTC.

Now that's a lie.

Perhaps, Mark Sonny, perhaps.

The only interest seen here from the debunkers groups is to keep saying, it
isn't proven, which is a double standard since only 38% of conventional has
been proven.

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At any rate it appears to be informative information. Doing a bit of

research

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to see what is being done is a step in the right direction.

I hold the same opinion and agree

Great!! Glad to show you some of that which appears no one knew , including me.

Your first two points are moot, in your every insane drive to say something,
*anything* in respond to most anything I post.

Jan

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Mark, MD

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Subject: Re: Randomized Controlled Trials: CAM
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>From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
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>> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=151673
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>> Randomized controlled trials in pediatric complementary and

alternative

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>> medicine: Where can they be found?
>> Margaret Sampson,1 Kaitryn Campbell,2 Isola Ajiferuke,3 and David

Moher1,4

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>Somewhat dents the lie that you cannot get CAM methods tested,

doesn't

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it?

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> Peter Moran

It certainly dents the lie that none of alternative has been proven,

doest't

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it?

Your post didn't say that CAM had been proven, rather that some
portions of it have been tested...big difference.

Read my statement again.

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It certainly dents the lie that none of alternative has been proven,

doest't

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it?

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Perhaps the debunkers have no interest in reading CAM's RTC.

Now that's a lie.

Perhaps, Mark Sonny, perhaps.

The only interest seen here from the debunkers groups is to keep saying,

it

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isn't proven, which is a double standard since only 38% of conventional

has

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been proven.

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At any rate it appears to be informative information. Doing a bit of

research

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to see what is being done is a step in the right direction.

I hold the same opinion and agree

Great!! Glad to show you some of that which appears no one knew ,

including me.

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Your first two points are moot,

Actually, Mark and I are absolutely correct. You could not read the report
correctly. The report says CAM is being studied, which is a good thing, but
does not say anything has been proven.

in your every insane drive to say something,

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*anything* in respond to most anything I post.

Like you do?