Moab Trip

SuperG said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail recommendations?

LOL! That's like asking if a dollar bill is worth more than a dollar.

All of them.

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Ride-A-Lot said:

SuperG said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

LOL! That's like asking if a dollar bill is worth more than a dollar.

All of them.

For (Moab) newbies, I would suggest starting with Slickrock. If you are
strong and skilled, it's a half-day. Only a couple hours if you're
superbly strong and skilled. Porcupine Rim is a strong second, it's
probably a full day. Amasa Back is pretty interesting though I heard the
last time I was there that it had been graded.

Shamefully, that is actually the sum of my Moab biking experience. I
have major catching up to do!

There are a plethora of web sites and postings about Moab, so do some
research. And when you get there you can ask the local bike shops for
recommendations. They are friendly and helpful.

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Raptor said:

Ride-A-Lot said:

SuperG said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

LOL! That's like asking if a dollar bill is worth more than a dollar.

All of them.

For (Moab) newbies, I would suggest starting with Slickrock. If you are
strong and skilled, it's a half-day. Only a couple hours if you're
superbly strong and skilled. Porcupine Rim is a strong second, it's
probably a full day. Amasa Back is pretty interesting though I heard the
last time I was there that it had been graded.

Shamefully, that is actually the sum of my Moab biking experience. I
have major catching up to do!

Thanks for the info, have researched it but figured this group would be
a good soruce of info...

Quoted message said:

http://www.dreamride.com

Buy the book.

JD

I've been to Moab riding 6 times.
-**Porcupine Rim** is far and away my favorite. You can ride it three ways.
1. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, get a ride back to town from
the river. 2. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, ride back to
town, or 3. Ride the whole thing. This involves a HEINOUS climb from town up
to the Slickrock, then a long gradual 7 mile climb up Sand flats road to the
trailhead. Haveing said that, 3 is my favorite way to do it.
I would be perfectly happy to go to Moab for a week and ride Porc Rim every
day.
-If you've never been there before, you really need to ride the Slickrock
Trail, if only to say that you've done it. (I find it sort of boring now, in
fact I didn't even go in it my last trip there)
-Amasa Back is another fun ride
-Poison Spider is very good, great views! I liked the Portal Trail to come
down. (Note, the Portal Trail involves a lot of potentially deadly exposure)
-Top of the World is good if you like climbing. I like climbing, I liked top
of the world.

There is a new (2 year old) singletrack trail called The Sovereign Trail. It
wouldn't be in a book unless it's a really new edition, so ask about it at
Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you need
to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for no
charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

However, there are *so* many good rides there, you're better off getting a
book. I really like "Mountain Biking Moab", from Falcon Press. But there
are tons of good books, none of them really bad, that I've seen. Mountain
Biking Moab is small enough to fit in a jersey pocket or camelback.
I would also invest in two good maps.
-Moab West, and Moab East, from Latitude 40 Inc. They're printed on
waterproof, tearproof paper.
It's easy to get overwhelmed with all the info about the Moab area. You
know, like buy 10 maps, 5 books, then sit around and wonder, well H*(& what
should I do now? IMO, get one book (like the falcon guide), get the two maps
I listed, call it good!

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I've been to Moab riding 6 times.
-**Porcupine Rim** is far and away my favorite. You can ride it three ways.
1. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, get a ride back to town from
the river. 2. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, ride back to
town, or 3. Ride the whole thing. This involves a HEINOUS climb from town up
to the Slickrock, then a long gradual 7 mile climb up Sand flats road to the
trailhead. Haveing said that, 3 is my favorite way to do it.
I would be perfectly happy to go to Moab for a week and ride Porc Rim every
day.
-If you've never been there before, you really need to ride the Slickrock
Trail, if only to say that you've done it. (I find it sort of boring now, in
fact I didn't even go in it my last trip there)
-Amasa Back is another fun ride
-Poison Spider is very good, great views! I liked the Portal Trail to come
down. (Note, the Portal Trail involves a lot of potentially deadly exposure)
-Top of the World is good if you like climbing. I like climbing, I liked top
of the world.

There is a new (2 year old) singletrack trail called The Sovereign Trail. It
wouldn't be in a book unless it's a really new edition, so ask about it at
Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you need
to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for no
charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

However, there are *so* many good rides there, you're better off getting a
book. I really like "Mountain Biking Moab", from Falcon Press. But there
are tons of good books, none of them really bad, that I've seen. Mountain
Biking Moab is small enough to fit in a jersey pocket or camelback.
I would also invest in two good maps.
-Moab West, and Moab East, from Latitude 40 Inc. They're printed on
waterproof, tearproof paper.
It's easy to get overwhelmed with all the info about the Moab area. You
know, like buy 10 maps, 5 books, then sit around and wonder, well H*(& what
should I do now? IMO, get one book (like the falcon guide), get the two maps
I listed, call it good!

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I've been to Moab riding 6 times.
-**Porcupine Rim** is far and away my favorite. You can ride it three ways.
1. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, get a ride back to town from
the river. 2. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, ride back to
town, or 3. Ride the whole thing. This involves a HEINOUS climb from town up
to the Slickrock, then a long gradual 7 mile climb up Sand flats road to the
trailhead. Haveing said that, 3 is my favorite way to do it.
I would be perfectly happy to go to Moab for a week and ride Porc Rim every
day.
-If you've never been there before, you really need to ride the Slickrock
Trail, if only to say that you've done it. (I find it sort of boring now, in
fact I didn't even go in it my last trip there)
-Amasa Back is another fun ride
-Poison Spider is very good, great views! I liked the Portal Trail to come
down. (Note, the Portal Trail involves a lot of potentially deadly exposure)
-Top of the World is good if you like climbing. I like climbing, I liked top
of the world.

There is a new (2 year old) singletrack trail called The Sovereign Trail. It
wouldn't be in a book unless it's a really new edition, so ask about it at
Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you need
to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for no
charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

However, there are *so* many good rides there, you're better off getting a
book. I really like "Mountain Biking Moab", from Falcon Press. But there
are tons of good books, none of them really bad, that I've seen. Mountain
Biking Moab is small enough to fit in a jersey pocket or camelback.
I would also invest in two good maps.
-Moab West, and Moab East, from Latitude 40 Inc. They're printed on
waterproof, tearproof paper.
It's easy to get overwhelmed with all the info about the Moab area. You
know, like buy 10 maps, 5 books, then sit around and wonder, well H*(& what
should I do now? IMO, get one book (like the falcon guide), get the two maps
I listed, call it good!

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I've been to Moab riding 6 times.
-**Porcupine Rim** is far and away my favorite. You can ride it three ways.
1. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, get a ride back to town from
the river. 2. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, ride back to
town, or 3. Ride the whole thing. This involves a HEINOUS climb from town up
to the Slickrock, then a long gradual 7 mile climb up Sand flats road to the
trailhead. Haveing said that, 3 is my favorite way to do it.
I would be perfectly happy to go to Moab for a week and ride Porc Rim every
day.
-If you've never been there before, you really need to ride the Slickrock
Trail, if only to say that you've done it. (I find it sort of boring now, in
fact I didn't even go in it my last trip there)
-Amasa Back is another fun ride
-Poison Spider is very good, great views! I liked the Portal Trail to come
down. (Note, the Portal Trail involves a lot of potentially deadly exposure)
-Top of the World is good if you like climbing. I like climbing, I liked top
of the world.

There is a new (2 year old) singletrack trail called The Sovereign Trail. It
wouldn't be in a book unless it's a really new edition, so ask about it at
Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you need
to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for no
charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

However, there are *so* many good rides there, you're better off getting a
book. I really like "Mountain Biking Moab", from Falcon Press. But there
are tons of good books, none of them really bad, that I've seen. Mountain
Biking Moab is small enough to fit in a jersey pocket or camelback.
I would also invest in two good maps.
-Moab West, and Moab East, from Latitude 40 Inc. They're printed on
waterproof, tearproof paper.
It's easy to get overwhelmed with all the info about the Moab area. You
know, like buy 10 maps, 5 books, then sit around and wonder, well H*(& what
should I do now? IMO, get one book (like the falcon guide), get the two maps
I listed, call it good!

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I've been to Moab riding 6 times.
-**Porcupine Rim** is far and away my favorite. You can ride it three ways.
1. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, get a ride back to town from
the river. 2. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, ride back to
town, or 3. Ride the whole thing. This involves a HEINOUS climb from town up
to the Slickrock, then a long gradual 7 mile climb up Sand flats road to the
trailhead. Haveing said that, 3 is my favorite way to do it.
I would be perfectly happy to go to Moab for a week and ride Porc Rim every
day.
-If you've never been there before, you really need to ride the Slickrock
Trail, if only to say that you've done it. (I find it sort of boring now, in
fact I didn't even go in it my last trip there)
-Amasa Back is another fun ride
-Poison Spider is very good, great views! I liked the Portal Trail to come
down. (Note, the Portal Trail involves a lot of potentially deadly exposure)
-Top of the World is good if you like climbing. I like climbing, I liked top
of the world.

There is a new (2 year old) singletrack trail called The Sovereign Trail. It
wouldn't be in a book unless it's a really new edition, so ask about it at
Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you need
to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for no
charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

However, there are *so* many good rides there, you're better off getting a
book. I really like "Mountain Biking Moab", from Falcon Press. But there
are tons of good books, none of them really bad, that I've seen. Mountain
Biking Moab is small enough to fit in a jersey pocket or camelback.
I would also invest in two good maps.
-Moab West, and Moab East, from Latitude 40 Inc. They're printed on
waterproof, tearproof paper.
It's easy to get overwhelmed with all the info about the Moab area. You
know, like buy 10 maps, 5 books, then sit around and wonder, well H*(& what
should I do now? IMO, get one book (like the falcon guide), get the two maps
I listed, call it good!

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I've been to Moab riding 6 times.
-**Porcupine Rim** is far and away my favorite. You can ride it three ways.
1. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, get a ride back to town from
the river. 2. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, ride back to
town, or 3. Ride the whole thing. This involves a HEINOUS climb from town up
to the Slickrock, then a long gradual 7 mile climb up Sand flats road to the
trailhead. Haveing said that, 3 is my favorite way to do it.
I would be perfectly happy to go to Moab for a week and ride Porc Rim every
day.
-If you've never been there before, you really need to ride the Slickrock
Trail, if only to say that you've done it. (I find it sort of boring now, in
fact I didn't even go in it my last trip there)
-Amasa Back is another fun ride
-Poison Spider is very good, great views! I liked the Portal Trail to come
down. (Note, the Portal Trail involves a lot of potentially deadly exposure)
-Top of the World is good if you like climbing. I like climbing, I liked top
of the world.

There is a new (2 year old) singletrack trail called The Sovereign Trail. It
wouldn't be in a book unless it's a really new edition, so ask about it at
Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you need
to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for no
charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

However, there are *so* many good rides there, you're better off getting a
book. I really like "Mountain Biking Moab", from Falcon Press. But there
are tons of good books, none of them really bad, that I've seen. Mountain
Biking Moab is small enough to fit in a jersey pocket or camelback.
I would also invest in two good maps.
-Moab West, and Moab East, from Latitude 40 Inc. They're printed on
waterproof, tearproof paper.
It's easy to get overwhelmed with all the info about the Moab area. You
know, like buy 10 maps, 5 books, then sit around and wonder, well H*(& what
should I do now? IMO, get one book (like the falcon guide), get the two maps
I listed, call it good!

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I've been to Moab riding 6 times.
-**Porcupine Rim** is far and away my favorite. You can ride it three ways.
1. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, get a ride back to town from
the river. 2. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, ride back to
town, or 3. Ride the whole thing. This involves a HEINOUS climb from town up
to the Slickrock, then a long gradual 7 mile climb up Sand flats road to the
trailhead. Haveing said that, 3 is my favorite way to do it.
I would be perfectly happy to go to Moab for a week and ride Porc Rim every
day.
-If you've never been there before, you really need to ride the Slickrock
Trail, if only to say that you've done it. (I find it sort of boring now, in
fact I didn't even go in it my last trip there)
-Amasa Back is another fun ride
-Poison Spider is very good, great views! I liked the Portal Trail to come
down. (Note, the Portal Trail involves a lot of potentially deadly exposure)
-Top of the World is good if you like climbing. I like climbing, I liked top
of the world.

There is a new (2 year old) singletrack trail called The Sovereign Trail. It
wouldn't be in a book unless it's a really new edition, so ask about it at
Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you need
to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for no
charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

However, there are *so* many good rides there, you're better off getting a
book. I really like "Mountain Biking Moab", from Falcon Press. But there
are tons of good books, none of them really bad, that I've seen. Mountain
Biking Moab is small enough to fit in a jersey pocket or camelback.
I would also invest in two good maps.
-Moab West, and Moab East, from Latitude 40 Inc. They're printed on
waterproof, tearproof paper.
It's easy to get overwhelmed with all the info about the Moab area. You
know, like buy 10 maps, 5 books, then sit around and wonder, well H*(& what
should I do now? IMO, get one book (like the falcon guide), get the two maps
I listed, call it good!

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I've been to Moab riding 6 times.
-**Porcupine Rim** is far and away my favorite. You can ride it three ways.
1. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, get a ride back to town from
the river. 2. Get a ride to the trailhead, ride the trail, ride back to
town, or 3. Ride the whole thing. This involves a HEINOUS climb from town up
to the Slickrock, then a long gradual 7 mile climb up Sand flats road to the
trailhead. Haveing said that, 3 is my favorite way to do it.
I would be perfectly happy to go to Moab for a week and ride Porc Rim every
day.
-If you've never been there before, you really need to ride the Slickrock
Trail, if only to say that you've done it. (I find it sort of boring now, in
fact I didn't even go in it my last trip there)
-Amasa Back is another fun ride
-Poison Spider is very good, great views! I liked the Portal Trail to come
down. (Note, the Portal Trail involves a lot of potentially deadly exposure)
-Top of the World is good if you like climbing. I like climbing, I liked top
of the world.

There is a new (2 year old) singletrack trail called The Sovereign Trail. It
wouldn't be in a book unless it's a really new edition, so ask about it at
Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you need
to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for no
charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

However, there are *so* many good rides there, you're better off getting a
book. I really like "Mountain Biking Moab", from Falcon Press. But there
are tons of good books, none of them really bad, that I've seen. Mountain
Biking Moab is small enough to fit in a jersey pocket or camelback.
I would also invest in two good maps.
-Moab West, and Moab East, from Latitude 40 Inc. They're printed on
waterproof, tearproof paper.
It's easy to get overwhelmed with all the info about the Moab area. You
know, like buy 10 maps, 5 books, then sit around and wonder, well H*(& what
should I do now? IMO, get one book (like the falcon guide), get the two maps
I listed, call it good!

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

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Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I forgot, Poison Spider is at
http://www.poisonspiderbicycles.com/
Joe
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Quoted message said:

Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you
need to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for
no charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I forgot, Poison Spider is at
http://www.poisonspiderbicycles.com/
Joe
"Joe Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you
need to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for
no charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I forgot, Poison Spider is at
http://www.poisonspiderbicycles.com/
Joe
"Joe Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you
need to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for
no charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I forgot, Poison Spider is at
http://www.poisonspiderbicycles.com/
Joe
"Joe Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you
need to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for
no charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I forgot, Poison Spider is at
http://www.poisonspiderbicycles.com/
Joe
"Joe Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you
need to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for
no charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I forgot, Poison Spider is at
http://www.poisonspiderbicycles.com/
Joe
"Joe Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you
need to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for
no charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?

I forgot, Poison Spider is at
http://www.poisonspiderbicycles.com/
Joe
"Joe Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Poison Spider bike shop. This bike shop absolutely ***rocks***! If you
need to work on your bike, they have a bike stand in back you can use for
no charge under a gazebo, you can borrow shop tools.

I would *not* go to Rim Cyclery.

Here's a web page I did after my last trip there in 2004.
http://home.centurytel.net/JF/Moab/

--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Marion, MT

"SuperG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Taking a first time trip to Moab this fall. Any good trail
recommendations?