Forward Elevated Hop

Do you have to do it from a still, or can you roll at it? Making it a
rolling hop I guess ^^

Because hopping forward without any momentum is fricking hard.

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It would be doing it from just hopping in place. Rolling hops are used
for a different skill. There are three kinds of spikes. Rolling, left,
right, and were debating in just hopping forward from a still stand is a
good skill to inclucde or not.

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so...a 'spike' is an upwards hop? I thought those were
sidehops...that's what we always call 'em 'round here....

And I don't think you should talk about a forward one, because like
whoever said up there, they're frickin' hard.
Except for rolling hops, of course.

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I like the idea. I jump straight onto curbs and other obstacles a bit
higher from a stand still. It's a valid skill. Why not track it?

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A hop to a higher elevation isnt necessarily called a spike, i guess
that just the name they have been using.

I think a forward hop could be a good skill if you dont have enough room
to turn 90 degrees and hop sideways, but i think it would be hard to hop
forward onto anything high though. Keep voting.

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Well If you're stoped you might as well just side hop since you've lost
your momentum. It's just like learning to ride chest on seat. It's not
a fun or impresive move, you just have to learn it to pass off the
level.

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halfbike said:

*Well If you're stoped you might as well just side hop since you've
lost your momentum. It's just like learning to ride chest on seat.
It's not a fun or impresive move, you just have to learn it to pass
off the level.

But if you need more skills to make the levels, then yiou might as
well put it in. *

As an off-road rider, I use the skill a LOT.
First, I would suggest calling it simply a "forward hop."
Secondly, it can be fun and impressive (depending on the situation).
It's good for hopping in places where there is limited space for the
wheel to travel, like for intance hopping through a bush to a higher
landing.
I can see how most street (trials) riders would see little use for it -
because often times there is plenty of room for the wheel to be angled
all 360 degrees.

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Static forward hops are common in Muni. I use them alot on flat
rolling over a trail littered with doll-head to football sized boulders
(or similar terrain). Since the terrain is flat, you stall a lot and
can't roll over some stuff and gotta jump it, often with no room to juke
the Muni sideways. It's a strenuous move with no momentum but often the
only other option is is get off. For street stuff, it doesn't come into
play much, though I don't play on the street much.

JL

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vivalargo said:

*Static forward hops are common in Muni. I use them alot on flat
rolling over a trail littered with doll-head to football sized
boulders (or similar terrain). Since the terrain is flat, you stall a
lot and can't roll over some stuff and gotta jump it, often with no
room to juke the Muni sideways. It's a strenuous move with no
momentum but often the only other option is is get off. For street
stuff, it doesn't come into play much, though I don't play on the
street much.

JL *

Do you think the skill would be good for trials? Maybe for trial lines
that have rocks and other natural stuff?

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It would be great for trials lines.
Remember, the "urban trials" we see today evolved from the "natural
trials" commonly experienced in off-road.

Lots of guys are worried about hopping high (like 30"😉.
That type of hopping isn't common in off-road riding (because there is
usually "another line"😉.

Limiting the space is a great way to make easy obsticles extremely
challenging. Another tip would be to add sand, or put everything on
angles. So many courses have "square surfaces" and are clean.

The point: A lot can be learned from nature about setting up a (man-made
urban) trials course.

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I believe that forward hops are very commonly used in forward gaps,
including just jumping straight forward in MUni like some people have
mentioned...but I really haven't seen anyone do a high hop from a
stillstand facing forward. It is common in MUni, but isn't that more
just to get over like a root, or a rock, or something, rather than
actually getting onto an obstacle as is done in trials?

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James_Potter said:

*isn't that more just to get over like a root, or a rock, or
something, rather than actually getting onto an obstacle as is done in
trials? *

It depends on the situation. A lot of the time these "forward hops" are
meant to be "rolling hops."
M-uni is exhausting.
Often times all the sprinting needed simply isn't there.
Moreover, M-uni is dangerous.
Sometimes it's important to "look before you leap."

For these reasons, it's common to come to a dead stop, then make the
forward hop. When riding UMX-style, it's common to use the forward hop
(while hoping to convert more of those hops to rolling).

The stopping is used in "forward drops" as well. I think I have the most
fear about forward drops on steep rough terrain at this point. A good
trials course will have those as well. Again, it's often best to try to
convert that technique to rolling (as seen on the Kris Holm/Irene
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James_Potter said:

*I believe that forward hops are very commonly used in forward gaps,
including just jumping straight forward in MUni like some people have
mentioned...but I really haven't seen anyone do a high hop from a
stillstand facing forward. It is common in MUni, but isn't that more
just to get over like a root, or a rock, or something, rather than
actually getting onto an obstacle as is done in trials? *

In the draft the tallest forward spike is 15", so its not that high.
How high do you think it should go up to? (in later levels)

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skate4flip said:

*In the draft the tallest forward spike is 15", so its not that high.
How high do you think it should go up to? (in later levels) *

Check the most recent Yoggi videos.
I think he was pulling 3-4 pallet forward hops in series.

Advice: Use the same obsticle twice.
1. Instruct riders to complete the hop side and/or forward.
You can also force the forward hop by limiting space.

So the direct answer to the question is "as high as side hops" but
definately 4-5 pallets (15"-24"😉

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skate4flip said:

*In the draft the tallest forward spike is 15", so its not that high.
How high do you think it should go up to? (in later levels) *

I can hop up that forward without needing to roll, but I don't think I
could ever get more than 20'' so that seems like a good number.

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ChangingLINKS.com said:

*It depends on the situation. A lot of the time these "forward hops"
are meant to be "rolling hops."
M-uni is exhausting.
Often times all the sprinting needed simply isn't there.
Moreover, M-uni is dangerous.
Sometimes it's important to "look before you leap."
*

It might just be me, cos I'm not the hoppiest of people at all, but when
I come to a stop and forward hop in muni, it's almost always with some
momentum still going for the hop, ie. the wheel is stopped and I'm
pivoting over the wheel till I launch, so it's kind of a rolling hop,
combined with almost falling off the front of the uni. Usually it
happens because I've run out of power on a steep uphill, or I'm blocked
by a root or something. I'd stillstand in these situations only if I
needed to turn and sidehop.

I'm sure I've seen a few trials riders do really big static forward
hops, some odd people just don't seem to find them much harder than side
hops.

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Static forward gapping is not so hard, as described by Joe. You stall,
start to fall forward, launch and in mid-air, thrust the Muni forward
for the landing. There's a series of 8 cement discs at a part near my
crib, with 30 inch gaps between them, and connecting these via forward
gaps isn't too grim, but pretty damn strenuous after about 8. However
high, static forward hops onto obstacles is hard because you don't have
any momentum to move the Muni forward and have to do it with your core
muscles.

As the Texan said, huge hops or drops are really not much needed in
almost all Muni riding I've seen because there's almost always some
other line. I rarely if ever go above a 40 inch drop on any trail, and
only rarely that high. And unless I've just dinking around on the
rocks, static forward hops beyond 10 inches are rare. It might be an
interesting skill to use on street trials courses because it's so hard
to go big.

JL

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vivalargo said:

*However high, static forward hops onto obstacles is hard because you
don't have any momentum to move the Muni forward and have to do it
with your core muscles.
JL *

Trial unicycles generally use smaller wheels than for muni, so i think
it would be easier to do a upwards forward hop. So do you think 15" is
as high as the forward hop should go?

Right now the poll says

7 say yes
9 say no

Thats only 16 votes total so keep voting!

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that is a skill that could be used in some scenario, so I think it
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