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  1. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hi, I had a scan (can't remember what is has called, but is was to
    measure intolerances)..., anyway the therapist said I needed to start
    taking Vitamin B Complex, Evening Primrose Oil and a fish oil
    supplement. Like an idiot I paid the £90 and left without asking any
    probing questions ---- maybe I was right royally keen on starting the
    new regime straight away, which included blowing £100 on 3-months
    supply of these items.

    Quoted message said:

    The obvious question here is what kind of scan was it, and what kind of
    therapist was it? There's a lot of kinesiology-based allergy testing
    out there. It's sheer quackery, and, unsurprisingly, they tend to find
    that everyone is loaded with allergies 🙂

    I had some tests by a "doctor" and he found all kinds of things
    missing in my body. He basically wanted to have me supplement
    things like statins, beta-blockers, ACE inhibitors, Aspirin, prilosec,
    and something else I can't remember (hard to spell some of those
    things).
    I don't have a weight problem, and I eat very healthy meals,
    so I don't understand why I should be deficient in all those things?
    I talked to some people who take stuff like this every day, and they
    are all sick.
    I don't want to end up they like them. Should I see another doctor?

  2. You are becoming a complete [censored]

    "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average


    chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements?

  3. Becoming? You've not read the posting history on ALCOR Harris' cryonics
    employers, the conversations in alt.support.menopause between several
    ASM posters fighting off HARRIS trying to sell them LIFE EXTENSION
    FOUNDATION (www.lef.org link scientific advisors) supplements and ...
    oh in case the the LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION supplements don't
    work....HARRIS' HEAD HACKING service?

    Try it. You'll like it. Oh and to fill in the time, Google "head, Dora
    Kent". See if you can get past the third para without falling off your
    chair laffin'.

    Pizza Girl. said:

    You are becoming a complete [censored]

    "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average


    chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements?

  4. Pizza Girl. said:

    You are becoming a complete [censored]

    You, OTOH, have already long since reached that pinnacle.

    Pastorio

    Quoted message said:

    "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average
    chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements?

  5. Tell Harris I'm going to post this and the one from the New York Times
    where he is QUOTED defending this head hacking everytime he takes my
    name in vain.

    I'm a student of writing. I love the way the reporter backs into the
    lede here. He doesn't drop it on us until the third paragraph. Honest
    to gawd I can't get past that third para without busting out laffin.
    Our esteemed scientist....this is Harris' alma mater.

    Oh and the ASM thread you want is Meno Marketeers 1997

    CORONER DROPS DEMAND FOR DORA KENT'S HEAD
    http://www.alcor.org/cryonics/cryonics8812.txt

    The Press-Enterprise

    The Riverside County coroner's office has dropped its demand for
    the head of Dora Kent.

    The death of the 83-year-old woman a year ago prompted a criminal
    investigation after the woman's son had her head frozen in hopes of
    someday bringing her to life.

    The son, Saul Kent of Riverside, later sued Coroner Raymond L.
    Carrilloin Riverside Superior Court to bar him from seizing, thawing,
    and
    performing an autopsy on the head. Thawing the head, he said, would
    kill hopes of reviving the head and putting it on a new body.

    Kent, 49, a longtime advocate of the fledgling science of cryonic
    suspension of dead people, said his mother wanted to be frozen after
    her death. Cryonicists say people who are put in subzero storage
    shortly
    after death might be revived someday when science finds a way to do it.
    Most
    scientists call cryonics fantasy.

    In a settlement of Kent's suit against the coroner Nov. 10, the
    coroner
    agreed to abandon his demand that the head be produced for an autopsy.
    In
    exchange, Saul Kent gave up his fight to get the county to pay his
    $25,600
    in attorneys fees and dropped the suit.

    Now that the suit has been settled, one of many mysteries in the
    case
    remains:

    Where is Dora Kent's head?

    The head, frozen at 320 degrees below zero and placed in a casing,
    was
    removed from Alcor Life Extension Foundation's lab before coroner
    investigators searched the Riverside lab looking for the head in
    January.

    If he knows, Saul Kent's not saying. "I don't want to comment on
    that," he said yesterday from his home in the Woodcrest area. Kent
    declined to discuss other aspects of the case, saying police and
    district
    attorney investigators are still looking at the death for possible
    criminal
    charges.

    Alcor officials say the woman's head was severed after her death
    from
    pneumonia on Dec. 11. Coroner officials concluded the woman died from
    a
    lethal dose of barbiturates, drugs pumped into her body to prepare her
    to
    be frozen. Alcor officials have insisted that she was dead when the
    drugs
    were pumped in.

    Los Angeles attorney Christopher Ashworth, who represented Saul
    Kent in
    the suit against the coroner, said Kent won the case because he got
    exactly
    what he wanted -- an order barring the coroner from removing the head.

    In addition, the coroner is barred from removing the frozen remains
    of
    eight other people at the Alcor facility, Ashworth said.

    Pamela J. Anderson, a Riverside deputy counsel, said the corner
    officials agreed to settle because they no longer sought the head for
    autopsy.

    In court papers, Carrillo said his office's involvement in the
    probe
    has ended and "I have no intention at this time nor at any time in the
    future of thawing out . . . the remains of Dora Kent."

    Meanwhile, the criminal investigation continues into the death and
    the
    role of Alcor personnel in freezing the head. Investigators are trying
    to
    find out whether the death was murder. Alcor, founded in 1972, has 100

    members worldwide and for a fee of $35,000 to $100,000, will freeze and

    store heads and bodies at its facility.

    Assistant District Attorney Randall K. Tagami on Tuesday declined
    to
    comment on the investigation. He said the agreement barring the
    coroner
    from seizing the head would have no effect on the investigation. "A
    civil
    order could not prevent the acquisition of evidence in a criminal
    proceeding," said Tagami. Whether police even need the head any longer
    is
    unclear, he said.

    The investigation focuses on a dozen people present when Kent's
    head
    was removed and frozen by Alcor. Among them are: Saul Kent, Michael
    Federowicz, former president of Alcor; Jerry D. Leaf, a research
    associate
    in the division of thoracic surgery of UCLA School of Medicine, who
    surgically removed the head; Carlos Mondragon, Alcor president; and
    Hugh
    Hixon.

    Gerald D. Polis, a Riverside attorney who represents Alcor members,

    declined to comment on the investigation yesterday, except to say,
    "Nobody
    has been charged and nobody has been arrested."

    Pizza Girl. said:

    You are becoming a complete [censored]

    "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average


    chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements?

  6. Stick around

    I've had waaaay too much caffeine...

    Zee

    Bob (this one) said:
    Pizza Girl. said:

    You are becoming a complete [censored]

    You, OTOH, have already long since reached that pinnacle.

    Pastorio

    Quoted message said:

    "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    >Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average
    >chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements?

  7. WTF are you on about? You're a sick puppy. Seek help.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Becoming? You've not read the posting history on ALCOR Harris' cryonics
    employers, the conversations in alt.support.menopause between several
    ASM posters fighting off HARRIS trying to sell them LIFE EXTENSION
    FOUNDATION (www.lef.org link scientific advisors) supplements and ...
    oh in case the the LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION supplements don't
    work....HARRIS' HEAD HACKING service?

    Try it. You'll like it. Oh and to fill in the time, Google "head, Dora
    Kent". See if you can get past the third para without falling off your
    chair laffin'.

    Pizza Girl. said:

    You are becoming a complete [censored]

    "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in


    message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average
    chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements?


  8. I'm the "indian" Harris loves to hate.

    I refuse to believe freezing dogs while they are alive is science.
    Harris earns his living that way.

    I refuse to think it's ethical to take money from dying people and tell
    them after their dead and their heads have been removed and frozen,
    their heads will be thawed out and they'll be returned to life
    sometime, soon's Harris' figures it out.

    There's drama here Pizza Girl. Even an "indian" like me can figure this
    one out...

    Pizza Girl. said:

    WTF are you on about? You're a sick puppy. Seek help.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Becoming? You've not read the posting history on ALCOR Harris' cryonics
    employers, the conversations in alt.support.menopause between several
    ASM posters fighting off HARRIS trying to sell them LIFE EXTENSION
    FOUNDATION (www.lef.org link scientific advisors) supplements and ...
    oh in case the the LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION supplements don't
    work....HARRIS' HEAD HACKING service?

    Try it. You'll like it. Oh and to fill in the time, Google "head, Dora
    Kent". See if you can get past the third para without falling off your
    chair laffin'.

    Pizza Girl. said:

    You are becoming a complete [censored]

    "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in


    message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    news:[email hidden]...
    >> Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average
    > chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements?


  9. If the heads have been drinking milk then it is completely OK because they
    were complete morons anyway.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I'm the "indian" Harris loves to hate.

    I refuse to believe freezing dogs while they are alive is science.
    Harris earns his living that way.

    I refuse to think it's ethical to take money from dying people and tell
    them after their dead and their heads have been removed and frozen,
    their heads will be thawed out and they'll be returned to life
    sometime, soon's Harris' figures it out.

    There's drama here Pizza Girl. Even an "indian" like me can figure this
    one out...

    Pizza Girl. said:

    WTF are you on about? You're a sick puppy. Seek help.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Becoming? You've not read the posting history on ALCOR Harris'


    cryonics

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    employers, the conversations in alt.support.menopause between several
    ASM posters fighting off HARRIS trying to sell them LIFE EXTENSION
    FOUNDATION (www.lef.org link scientific advisors) supplements and ...
    oh in case the the LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION supplements don't
    work....HARRIS' HEAD HACKING service?

    Try it. You'll like it. Oh and to fill in the time, Google "head, Dora
    Kent". See if you can get past the third para without falling off your
    chair laffin'.

    Pizza Girl. wrote:
    > You are becoming a complete [censored]
    >
    > "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in


    message

    Quoted message said:

    > news:[email hidden]...
    > >> Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the


    average

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells


    supplements?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


  10. The embalming fluid is probably dairy products. It's so full of
    preservatives it would actually work without the freezing.

    Quit while I am a head?

    "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:1120528252.3bbe5d4ace8c35bbfaa3c982a762b9f4@teranews...

    Quoted message said:

    If the heads have been drinking milk then it is completely OK because they
    were complete morons anyway.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I'm the "indian" Harris loves to hate.

    I refuse to believe freezing dogs while they are alive is science.
    Harris earns his living that way.

    I refuse to think it's ethical to take money from dying people and tell
    them after their dead and their heads have been removed and frozen,
    their heads will be thawed out and they'll be returned to life
    sometime, soon's Harris' figures it out.

    There's drama here Pizza Girl. Even an "indian" like me can figure this
    one out...

    Pizza Girl. said:

    WTF are you on about? You're a sick puppy. Seek help.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Becoming? You've not read the posting history on ALCOR Harris'


    cryonics

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > employers, the conversations in alt.support.menopause between


    several

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > ASM posters fighting off HARRIS trying to sell them LIFE EXTENSION
    > FOUNDATION (www.lef.org link scientific advisors) supplements and


    ....

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > oh in case the the LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION supplements don't
    > work....HARRIS' HEAD HACKING service?
    >
    > Try it. You'll like it. Oh and to fill in the time, Google "head,


    Dora

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Kent". See if you can get past the third para without falling off


    your

    Quoted message said:
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    > chair laffin'.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Pizza Girl. wrote:
    > > You are becoming a complete [censored]
    > >
    > > "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    > > news:[email hidden]...
    > > >> Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the


    average

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells


    supplements?

    Quoted message said:
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    >


  11. I knew I could count on you to bring logic to this. Thengku. Zee (not
    zwieback)

    Pizza Girl. said:

    If the heads have been drinking milk then it is completely OK because they
    were complete morons anyway.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I'm the "indian" Harris loves to hate.

    I refuse to believe freezing dogs while they are alive is science.
    Harris earns his living that way.

    I refuse to think it's ethical to take money from dying people and tell
    them after their dead and their heads have been removed and frozen,
    their heads will be thawed out and they'll be returned to life
    sometime, soon's Harris' figures it out.

    There's drama here Pizza Girl. Even an "indian" like me can figure this
    one out...

    Pizza Girl. said:

    WTF are you on about? You're a sick puppy. Seek help.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Becoming? You've not read the posting history on ALCOR Harris'


    cryonics

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > employers, the conversations in alt.support.menopause between several
    > ASM posters fighting off HARRIS trying to sell them LIFE EXTENSION
    > FOUNDATION (www.lef.org link scientific advisors) supplements and ...
    > oh in case the the LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION supplements don't
    > work....HARRIS' HEAD HACKING service?
    >
    > Try it. You'll like it. Oh and to fill in the time, Google "head, Dora
    > Kent". See if you can get past the third para without falling off your
    > chair laffin'.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Pizza Girl. wrote:
    > > You are becoming a complete [censored]
    > >
    > > "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    > > news:[email hidden]...
    > > >> Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the


    average

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells


    supplements?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >


  12. Oh that is a good one.

    We can laff....but he's getting away with it.

    Sad to say.

    Zee

  13. Quoted message said:

    Oh that is a good one.

    We can laff....but he's getting away with it.

    Sad to say.

    Zee

    His day will come......sooner or later. He's already regarded as the
    Dr. Mengele of the Newsgroups.

  14. Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

    I'm beginning to be reminded of Gohde, who was so convinced

    You kind of remind me of an A-Hole physican. Ah! That is because you
    are both an [censored] and a physician.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    his opinions were necessary to the human race, that he used to come up
    with another pseudonym weekly, to ensure we'd read his [censored] whether we
    wanted to or not.

    I have not changed my email address in a couple of years.

    Suffering from senility?

    With obseravational skills like you have, please give your patients my
    condolences.

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Oh! I am sorry Ice Cube. All your patients left you long ago. That is
    why you are now only doing stupid research.

    Tell me doctor, how can a doctor, doctor when he doesn't doctor?

    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    Oh! I know know. When the doc is an [censored] like you.

    Just my opinion, but I am right as usual. 🙂

  15. "Zwieback" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    COMMENT:

    And of course, you quite free to take no preventive medications at all,
    including ACE inhibitors. When you blow a radiator hose in your head,
    though, we don't want to hear whining about it...

    SBH

    Yes - but is taking ACE inhibitors the ONLY way to prevent that?
    What if taking potassium, or magnesium, or calcium (etc) would serve
    the same purpose? Would I have to see a different doctor for that?

    Why see anyone? Do you suffer from anxiety disorder?
    What and where is the deliemma here?

    Quoted message said:


    The dilemma seems to be that those "natural" practitioners use the
    same justification as you - except they would blame it on NOT taking
    specific supplements that would appear to have the same preventive
    effect.

    You have two opposite views so pick one.

    Quoted message said:

    When I walk through hospital wards, I see all these sick people waste
    away despite willingly (or not so willingly) taking these wonder drugs,
    (many of them targeted to lessen the adverse effects of the other drugs),
    and in the end, instead of "blowing a hose in the head," they blow a
    gasket in the liver, kidneys, or gut.

    Not to mention hospital acquired infections and accidental medical error
    deaths. So don't go to one. End of deliemma.
    You don't need excuses not to go to a hospital. If you don't want to go then
    don't.
    I am not going to treat you like a baby and tell you why you should go to a
    hospital. If you don't see the benefits then don't. You are an adult.

    Quoted message said:


    I am trying to find out the advantage of one group over the other,
    and so far, there does not seem to be clear winner outside of those
    suffering from insufficiency-types of conditions, requiring replacement
    therapy (insulin...).

    I think the alternative people have won your arguement and I am very
    displeased to not see you in the hospital I work in.

    Quoted message said:

    I didn't need to look too far to realize that medical people, following
    their own (orthodox) advice, seem to expire at close to, or the same
    rate as those who try to resolve their medical situations without drugs,
    or through ignorance. ---Zwieback

    Good observation so then there is no dilemma. Hospital food is bad.

  16. Quoted message said:

    COMMENT:

    And of course, you quite free to take no preventive medications at all,
    including ACE inhibitors. When you blow a radiator hose in your head,
    though, we don't want to hear whining about it...

    SBH

    Yes - but is taking ACE inhibitors the ONLY way to prevent that?
    What if taking potassium, or magnesium, or calcium (etc) would serve
    the same purpose? Would I have to see a different doctor for that?

    The dilemma seems to be that those "natural" practitioners use the
    same justification as you - except they would blame it on NOT taking
    specific supplements that would appear to have the same preventive
    effect.
    When I walk through hospital wards, I see all these sick people waste
    away despite willingly (or not so willingly) taking these wonder drugs,
    (many of them targeted to lessen the adverse effects of the other drugs),
    and in the end, instead of "blowing a hose in the head," they blow a
    gasket in the liver, kidneys, or gut.

    I am trying to find out the advantage of one group over the other,
    and so far, there does not seem to be clear winner outside of those
    suffering from insufficiency-types of conditions, requiring replacement
    therapy (insulin...).
    I didn't need to look too far to realize that medical people, following
    their own (orthodox) advice, seem to expire at close to, or the same
    rate as those who try to resolve their medical situations without drugs,
    or through ignorance. ---Zwieback

  17. "Zwieback" <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

    Quoted message said:

    I am trying to find out the advantage of one group over the other,
    and so far, there does not seem to be clear winner outside of those
    suffering from insufficiency-types of conditions, requiring replacement
    therapy (insulin...).

    Check MedLine. Set Limits to show clinical or randomized trials.

    Quoted message said:

    I didn't need to look too far to realize that medical people, following
    their own (orthodox) advice, seem to expire at close to, or the same
    rate as those who try to resolve their medical situations without drugs,
    or through ignorance. ---Zwieback

    Chance and genetics (chance again) are the most powerful
    determinants. After that is probably lifestyle.

    But I wouldn't swap medical science for alternative medicine. Had
    I done so, I probably would not have survived childhood and
    certainly would not have survived a blown heart valve (and
    thrived!) at age 44.

    You place your bets and you take your chances.
    --
    Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA [email hidden]

  18. Quoted message said:

    his opinions were necessary to the human race, that he used to come up
    with another pseudonym weekly, to ensure we'd read his [censored] whether we
    wanted to or not.


    I have not changed my email address in a couple of years.
    Suffering from senility?

    COMMENT:

    I said "used to." Which you did.

    http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.med/messages/2557bcc5aa36ee00,264c087d52bda192,47aee4d62453a47e,1c7df8a77259f350,a4b33cac36d6b15c,7c276eb7b84dcbb1,84683314a335ddba,6b39b6c115c7fe66,c3b429fd7bdd4e1e,43209d149f74d173?hl=en&thread_id=228681562dd87bee&view=thread&noheader=1&q=john+*+man+group:sci.med.nutrition&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsci.med%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F228681562dd87bee%2F84683314a335ddba%3Fq%3Djohn+*+man+group:sci.med.nutrition%26rnum%3D7%26hl%3Den%26#

  19. LOL

    Pot kettle black Harris.

    Not so very long ago you were posting on one of the AIDS groups
    (trolling for heads?) using a woman's name until they flamed you for
    "posting in drag".

    Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:
    Quoted message said:

    his opinions were necessary to the human race, that he used to come up
    with another pseudonym weekly, to ensure we'd read his [censored] whether we
    wanted to or not.


    I have not changed my email address in a couple of years.
    Suffering from senility?

    COMMENT:

    I said "used to." Which you did.

    http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.med/messages/2557bcc5aa36ee00,264c087d52bda192,47aee4d62453a47e,1c7df8a77259f350,a4b33cac36d6b15c,7c276eb7b84dcbb1,84683314a335ddba,6b39b6c115c7fe66,c3b429fd7bdd4e1e,43209d149f74d173?hl=en&thread_id=228681562dd87bee&view=thread&noheader=1&q=john+*+man+group:sci.med.nutrition&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsci.med%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F228681562dd87bee%2F84683314a335ddba%3Fq%3Djohn+*+man+group:sci.med.nutrition%26rnum%3D7%26hl%3Den%26#

  20. Here is a discussion that may shed some light:

    http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/immunecf.htm

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