Re: The viability threshold

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Phil Scott said:

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When one more straw on the camels back breaks it.
You could call that the 'viability threshold'

Here are some minor but obvious examples. There is no

need to

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hair split these for obvious exceptions. the examples are
used to illustrate a more general principle:

Say a given person needs 2500 calories a day to be

healthy...

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and some of it has to be fruits and vegitables.

Then his income is cut 10%.. he now can afford 2,000

calories

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a day, but its mostly greasey fast food and no fruits and
vegitables... he will have crossed the 'viability

threshold'..

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that tiny change in income can take him from progressing

and

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viable...to slowly going south...

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The problem with this ridiculous exercise is that "greasy

fast foods"

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are always more expensive than whole healthy bread, eggs,

canned goods,

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and produce. Why? Because you have to pay the doofuses who

flip the

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burgers, AND their bosses, AND the franchise, etc, etc, etc.

Hey no need to be a jerk...of course the guy has
options..but that not the point.. the point is clearly stated
and given..ones own error or combination of other factors can
push a person south across the viablitiy threshold.

duhhh

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Go actually price bread, canned meat, eggs, and #10 tin cans

of canned

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fruit and vegetables and beans (which are perfectly

nutritious). Meals

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can be made for 30 cents. If you get past 50 cents, you're

being a

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luxury hog.

Of course, you have to do the work yourself.

SBH

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Quoted message said:

Phil Scott said:

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When one more straw on the camels back breaks it.
You could call that the 'viability threshold'

Here are some minor but obvious examples. There is no need to
hair split these for obvious exceptions. the examples are
used to illustrate a more general principle:

Say a given person needs 2500 calories a day to be healthy...
and some of it has to be fruits and vegitables.

Then his income is cut 10%.. he now can afford 2,000 calories
a day, but its mostly greasey fast food and no fruits and
vegitables... he will have crossed the 'viability threshold'..
that tiny change in income can take him from progressing and
viable...to slowly going south...

COMMENT:

The problem with this ridiculous exercise is that "greasy fast foods"
are always more expensive than whole healthy bread, eggs, canned goods,
and produce. Why? Because you have to pay the doofuses who flip the
burgers, AND their bosses, AND the franchise, etc, etc, etc.

Go actually price bread, canned meat, eggs, and #10 tin cans of canned
fruit and vegetables and beans (which are perfectly nutritious). Meals
can be made for 30 cents. If you get past 50 cents, you're being a
luxury hog.

Of course, you have to do the work yourself.

Also the shoplifting--to get healthy meals for under 50 cents.

GWC

George Cherry said:

Quoted message said:

Go actually price bread, canned meat, eggs, and #10 tin cans of canned
fruit and vegetables and beans (which are perfectly nutritious). Meals
can be made for 30 cents. If you get past 50 cents, you're being a
luxury hog.

Of course, you have to do the work yourself.

Also the shoplifting--to get healthy meals for under 50 cents.

GWC

COMMENT

George, bread is 5 cents a slice and generic multivits are 5 cents
each. Eggs can be had for 10 cents each. If you shop at COSTCO and know
what you're doing, you can survive indefinitely on $1.50 a day, even
without resorting to canned catfood (which is perfectly nutritious but
embarrassing).

I suggest a homework project for you. Come down from the irory tower.

SBH

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Quoted message said:

George Cherry said:

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Go actually price bread, canned meat, eggs, and #10 tin cans of canned
fruit and vegetables and beans (which are perfectly nutritious). Meals
can be made for 30 cents. If you get past 50 cents, you're being a
luxury hog.

Of course, you have to do the work yourself.

Also the shoplifting--to get healthy meals for under 50 cents.

GWC

COMMENT

George, bread is 5 cents a slice and generic multivits are 5 cents
each. Eggs can be had for 10 cents each. If you shop at COSTCO and know
what you're doing, you can survive indefinitely on $1.50 a day, even
without resorting to canned catfood (which is perfectly nutritious but
embarrassing).

I suggest a homework project for you. Come down from the irory tower.

Okay, I'll figure out what I actually spend per meal,
but it's going to add up to a lot more than $0.50
per meal. Let's take the bread I eat (bread made
from organic whole sprouted grains and zero
fat). I estimate each slice (I don't have a loaf in front
of me) is about $0.20. I put raw organic almond
butter on it and pop a couple of fish oil capsules.
Hey, I've just started. Organic red beans with organic
spaghetti sauce (no salt). And then the fruit--an orange,
some blueberries, and an organic apple. And then
a little dairy--low-fat organic yogurt with a tablespoon
of psyillium hush powder stirred in. And then the
veggies: broccoli usually. And then a little dessert:
unsweetened organic apple sauce with a little
organic unsweetened cocoa. I must be way over a
buck by now. And then a glass of organic red wine
without sulphites.

GWC

George Cherry said:

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George Cherry said:

> Go actually price bread, canned meat, eggs, and #10 tin cans of canned
> fruit and vegetables and beans (which are perfectly nutritious). Meals
> can be made for 30 cents. If you get past 50 cents, you're being a
> luxury hog.
>
> Of course, you have to do the work yourself.

Also the shoplifting--to get healthy meals for under 50 cents.

GWC

COMMENT

George, bread is 5 cents a slice and generic multivits are 5 cents
each. Eggs can be had for 10 cents each. If you shop at COSTCO and know
what you're doing, you can survive indefinitely on $1.50 a day, even
without resorting to canned catfood (which is perfectly nutritious but
embarrassing).

I suggest a homework project for you. Come down from the irory tower.

Okay, I'll figure out what I actually spend per meal,
but it's going to add up to a lot more than $0.50
per meal. Let's take the bread I eat (bread made
from organic whole sprouted grains and zero
fat). I estimate each slice (I don't have a loaf in front
of me) is about $0.20. I put raw organic almond
butter on it and pop a couple of fish oil capsules.
Hey, I've just started.

COMMENT:

Well, Jesus, George, it's going to be even more if you include the
Beluga caviar on the toast points.

One hopes the point was not that a person has to shoplift in order to
continue the spouted ground bread raw organic almond lifestyle to which
they've become accustomed. The point is you can stay alive on 50 cents
a meal without becoming malnourished. Whether or not your maximum life
span will be affected is something I can't tell. Probably, if you can't
afford the molecularly distilled fishoil, wild blueberry juice,
nanoemulsified CoQ10 and the particular hand-dug Cordyceps sinensis
smuggled out of a particular Buddhist monestary in mountains of Tibet.

SBH

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

Go actually price bread, canned meat, eggs, and #10 tin cans of canned
fruit and vegetables and beans (which are perfectly nutritious). Meals
can be made for 30 cents. If you get past 50 cents, you're being a
luxury hog.

Of course, you have to do the work yourself.

SBH

cost unit kcal
sweet potato 0.59 1 lb 408.6
egg 0.10 1 med 92
milk. 1% 0.19 1 c 102
cabbage 0.20 3 c 52.8
flax seed 0.02 1 T 59
banana 0.08 1 med 105
oatmeal 0.10 4 oz dry 440
tuna 0.13 1/4 can 50
onion 0.14 4 oz 50
lentils 0.15 4 oz dry 384
generic multi 0.10 1 10
gen. fish oil 0.20 1 10
$1.98 1763.4

Add some extra virgin olive oil or avocado: add $0.20-$0.50
Add a tomato: another $0.30-$0.50
Add some lettuce: another $0.30-$0.50
Add some seasonal fruit: another $0.50-$1.00

This does not consider cooking or condiment costs.

I see this as at least $4 per day to make it palatable,
and to add a cup of coffee in the morning.

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George Cherry said:

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George Cherry wrote:

> > Go actually price bread, canned meat, eggs, and #10 tin cans of
> > canned
> > fruit and vegetables and beans (which are perfectly nutritious).
> > Meals
> > can be made for 30 cents. If you get past 50 cents, you're being a
> > luxury hog.
> >
> > Of course, you have to do the work yourself.
>
> Also the shoplifting--to get healthy meals for under 50 cents.
>
> GWC

COMMENT

George, bread is 5 cents a slice and generic multivits are 5 cents
each. Eggs can be had for 10 cents each. If you shop at COSTCO and know
what you're doing, you can survive indefinitely on $1.50 a day, even
without resorting to canned catfood (which is perfectly nutritious but
embarrassing).

I suggest a homework project for you. Come down from the irory tower.

Okay, I'll figure out what I actually spend per meal,
but it's going to add up to a lot more than $0.50
per meal. Let's take the bread I eat (bread made
from organic whole sprouted grains and zero
fat). I estimate each slice (I don't have a loaf in front
of me) is about $0.20. I put raw organic almond
butter on it and pop a couple of fish oil capsules.
Hey, I've just started.

COMMENT:

Well, Jesus, George, it's going to be even more if you include the
Beluga caviar on the toast points.

One hopes the point was not that a person has to shoplift in order to
continue the spouted ground bread raw organic almond lifestyle to which
they've become accustomed. The point is you can stay alive on 50 cents
a meal without becoming malnourished. Whether or not your maximum life
span will be affected is something I can't tell. Probably, if you can't
afford the molecularly distilled fishoil, wild blueberry juice,
nanoemulsified CoQ10 and the particular hand-dug Cordyceps sinensis
smuggled out of a particular Buddhist monestary in mountains of Tibet.

When we shopped today I tried to figure out what I would
buy for my next meal if I had only $0.50 to spend. I jumped
on a 15.5oz. (438g) can of Goya "Small Red Beans".
(These are the cheapest beans they sell at the Hannaford's
Super Market in York, Maine, where we usually shop.)
The can of beans was $0.49, so I was just under the $0.50
limit you set for me.

I chose small red beans because I like their taste, the 15.5oz
can would give me 24.5 grams of protein, about 85% of my
daily value of fiber, about 1/3 of my daily value of iron,
about 14% of my daily requirement of calcium, and a nice
slug of anti-oxidants (Small Red Beans are a very rich source
and anti-oxidants.) The whole can would give me only 315
calories. That's more Calorie Restriction (less than 1000
calories per day) than even this CRON practitioner wants
to practice. Furthermore, I don't think I'd hit the ON part of
CRON (Optimum Nutrition).

Of course, I could buy a #10 can of dried Small Red Beans,
soak 'em, and simmer 'em for 2.5 to 3.0 hours. But that's
a lot of trouble and a lot of propane.

But I'd have $0.03 left if I ate a can of Goya beans for every
meal. Maybe I could buy a few loose grapes in the produce
department and get a little Resveratrol. And maybe I could
collect my expelled gas and try to use it instead of propane.

Well, I think I'll just continue to be a super "luxury hog".
But I think someone impecunious should check out
Small Red Beans. I think they might give the most
nutrition bang for the buck.

GWC