ketosis

jeremy54z said:

if you eat more fat then you burn then you will not lose weight.

Let me help with punctuation here.

If you eat more fat, then you burn, then you will not lose weight.

If you eat fat then burn, depending on the degree of burning, you might
lose *all* your weight.

HTH

Pastorio

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Quoted message said:

if you eat more fat then you burn then you will not lose weight.

What are your fat/protein/carb ratios?
An induction ratio should be 65%/30%/5%

Doesn't Atkins claim that you can eat more fat than you burn, as long as
your carbs are low?
That's one of the advantages.
I eat lots and lots of fat. I've certainly had days where 80% of my
calories are from fat, although I don't usually track it that closely.

Sprgtime said:

"jeremy54z" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

if you eat more fat then you burn then you will not lose weight.

What are your fat/protein/carb ratios?
An induction ratio should be 65%/30%/5%

Doesn't Atkins claim that you can eat more fat than you burn, as long as
your carbs are low?

Well, of course, you *can* eat more fat than you burn (I certainly can,
anyway) but if that puts your total calorie consumption over what your
body used, then you're not going to be in a weight losing state.

In fact Atkins specifically mentioned one patient who managed to put on
weight despite keeping the carbs low - the patient was eating butter by
the stick. Atkins' point was that most people wouldn't want to eat fat in
those quantities, but that if one did, yes, weight gain would result.
TANSTAAFL.

Quoted message said:

That's one of the advantages.
I eat lots and lots of fat. I've certainly had days where 80% of my
calories are from fat, although I don't usually track it that closely.

I eat a good percentage of fat, too, but if the calories go up too much,
no visit from the whoosh fairy.

Martha

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Martha Gallagher said:

Sprgtime said:

jeremy54z wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

if you eat more fat then you burn then you will not lose weight.

Hidden false assumption - The body burns the same amount
of fat no matter what so it can not be controlled.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Doesn't Atkins claim that you can eat more fat than you burn, as long as
your carbs are low?

Well, of course, you *can* eat more fat than you burn (I certainly can,
anyway) but if that puts your total calorie consumption over what your
body used, then you're not going to be in a weight losing state.

My claim based on the underlying science:

As long as you do not overeat, eating more dietary fat
causes more dietary fat to be withdrawn from storage.

Dr A's claim in the chapter on Induction:

Eating low fat in addition to low carb, it will derail
your loss.

Dr A's stance on dietary fat changed over the years. By
2002 he agreed that less fat doesn't hurt health as long
as enough good fats are eaten. The stress on types eaten
lost the fact that more could lead to better loss.

My claim is based on how insulin and glucagon interact.
Dr A didn't discuss glucagon much. I don't know if he
ever took that extra step that increasing glucagon is
the way to increase fat withdrawal rates.

Quoted message said:

In fact Atkins specifically mentioned one patient who managed to put on
weight despite keeping the carbs low - the patient was eating butter by
the stick. Atkins' point was that most people wouldn't want to eat fat in
those quantities, but that if one did, yes, weight gain would result.
TANSTAAFL.

This shows why overeating is forbidden. The person was
deep in ketosis (lots of dietary fat so lots of
glucagon) but the amount of dietary fat overwhelmed
the effect.

Most people are revolted at the thought of eating butter
by the stick. For most people, the purer the fat the
more self-limiting it is. But add in an equal potion of
sugar and goodbye limits. What's 50-50 fat and sugar?
Candy bars.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's one of the advantages.
I eat lots and lots of fat. I've certainly had days where 80% of my
calories are from fat, although I don't usually track it that closely.

I eat a good percentage of fat, too, but if the calories go up too much,
no visit from the whoosh fairy.

Check. The control is fat-to-protein for the same total
calories, not just increasing amounts of one of the other
without offseting reduction.