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  1. I have a a Peugeot road bike that I bought back in 1988. I have ridden
    it on an off for years with no problems. I bought a new Trek 1000
    earlier this year as I got more into cycling and I intend to overhaul
    the Peugeot and use it as a winter training bike (the frame is still in
    very good nick).

    One problem I have is that the original seat tube has the older style
    attachment to the saddle which is a lot more hassle to attach a new
    saddle to and adjust. I measured the original seat tube and thought it
    was 25mm and managed to find a 25mm alloy seat tube , but when I took it
    home it was just slightly too large, so I guess the original was
    actually 24mm.

    A quick google search came up with a couple of snippets of info
    mentioning 24mm Peugeot seat tubes, but I can't find any site showing
    that size for sale.

    Is it at all possible to source seat tubes this size anymore? I would
    like to replace the original with a new one with a microadjust head if
    at all possible.

    The bike is a 12 speed (6 rear, 2 front) with the shifters on the
    down tube. How should I go about renewing the chain/derailleurs /rear
    sprockets/chainset etc (they work OK at the moment, but are original and
    must have done at least 5000 miles since new). The hub bearings are
    worn and the wheels are not true and I may decide to replace them also.

    Any help greatly appreciated.

    --
    David Bentley

  2. "David Bentley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have a a Peugeot road bike that I bought back in 1988. I have ridden
    it on an off for years with no problems. I bought a new Trek 1000
    earlier this year as I got more into cycling and I intend to overhaul
    the Peugeot and use it as a winter training bike (the frame is still in
    very good nick).

    One problem I have is that the original seat tube has the older style
    attachment to the saddle which is a lot more hassle to attach a new
    saddle to and adjust. I measured the original seat tube and thought it
    was 25mm and managed to find a 25mm alloy seat tube , but when I took it
    home it was just slightly too large, so I guess the original was
    actually 24mm.

    A quick google search came up with a couple of snippets of info
    mentioning 24mm Peugeot seat tubes, but I can't find any site showing
    that size for sale.

    Is it at all possible to source seat tubes this size anymore? I would
    like to replace the original with a new one with a microadjust head if
    at all possible.

    The bike is a 12 speed (6 rear, 2 front) with the shifters on the
    down tube. How should I go about renewing the chain/derailleurs /rear
    sprockets/chainset etc (they work OK at the moment, but are original and
    must have done at least 5000 miles since new). The hub bearings are
    worn and the wheels are not true and I may decide to replace them also.

    Any help greatly appreciated.

    --
    David Bentley

    Sheldon has some info on

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/seatpost-sizes-m-z.html#p

    Paul

  3. David Bentley said:


    One problem I have is that the original seat tube has the older style
    attachment to the saddle which is a lot more hassle to attach a new
    saddle to and adjust. I measured the original seat tube and thought it
    was 25mm and managed to find a 25mm alloy seat tube , but when I took it
    home it was just slightly too large, so I guess the original was
    actually 24mm.

    You need to measure more accurately than that. Seatposts go up in 0.2mm
    sizes and one step can make all the difference. Have a browse through
    the Wiggle site - they have a 25.8 and a 25.4mm post and may have others
    if you look a bit more.

    --
    Tony

    "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
    Anon

  4. David Bentley said:

    I have a a Peugeot road bike that I bought back in 1988. I have
    ridden it on an off for years with no problems. I bought a new Trek
    1000 earlier this year as I got more into cycling and I intend to
    overhaul the Peugeot and use it as a winter training bike (the frame
    is still in very good nick).

    One problem I have is that the original seat tube has the older
    style attachment to the saddle which is a lot more hassle to attach
    a new saddle to and adjust. I measured the original seat tube and
    thought it was 25mm and managed to find a 25mm alloy seat tube , but
    when I took it home it was just slightly too large, so I guess the
    original was actually 24mm.

    Or a 24.something or 23.something, or 25.0 if the new one you tried was
    actually 25.something. (25.4 and 25.0 are reasonably common sizes
    compared to anything smaller).

    Quoted message said:

    A quick google search came up with a couple of snippets of info
    mentioning 24mm Peugeot seat tubes, but I can't find any site showing
    that size for sale.

    Is it at all possible to source seat tubes this size anymore? I would
    like to replace the original with a new one with a microadjust head if
    at all possible.

    I'll have a thorough browse if you come back with a more definite and
    precise size. Get post measured with calipers if no size is marked on
    bottom of post.

    Quoted message said:

    The bike is a 12 speed (6 rear, 2 front) with the shifters on the
    down tube. How should I go about renewing the chain/derailleurs /rear
    sprockets/chainset etc (they work OK at the moment, but are original
    and must have done at least 5000 miles since new). The hub bearings
    are worn and the wheels are not true and I may decide to replace them
    also.

    It's probably unnecessary and uneconomical to renew all that lot. If I
    loved the frame and was happy to have 12 gears, I would just buy a new
    freewheel, chain, hub cones & balls, true the wheels, and hope the rest is
    OK. (With a bit of luck, the chainrings won't be worn enough to cause
    problems for a new chain).

    Otherwise it will be sensible to consider a new bike or new second-hand
    bike, even if it is only for winter training.

    ~PB

  5. in message <[email hidden]>, David Bentley

    (') said:

    The bike is a 12 speed (6 rear, 2 front) with the shifters on the
    down tube. How should I go about renewing the chain/derailleurs /rear
    sprockets/chainset etc (they work OK at the moment, but are original
    and
    must have done at least 5000 miles since new). The hub bearings are
    worn and the wheels are not true and I may decide to replace them also.

    I recently did some work on restoring a friends 1970s vintage time trial
    bike, consciously and deliberately not 'upgrading' anything (except
    replacing tub rims with clinchers). It has the most gorgeous Mavic
    derailleurs, drilled Campag chainset, big flange Campag hubs, early Look
    pedals - generally very very nice. Cold-setting it and upgrading it to
    modern ten speed kit would just have been a crime.

    Now, after a respray in its original white, and with all its mechanical
    parts cleaned up to perfection, it looks like new and rides beautifully.
    If you've got a classic, don't mess with it too much.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
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  6. David Bentley said:

    I have a a Peugeot road bike that I bought back in 1988. I have ridden
    it on an off for years with no problems. I bought a new Trek 1000
    earlier this year as I got more into cycling and I intend to overhaul
    the Peugeot and use it as a winter training bike (the frame is still in
    very good nick).

    They make excellent winter trainers, as they usually have mudguard
    eyelets and clearance, and you can fit some serious winter tyres.

    Quoted message said:

    One problem I have is that the original seat tube has the older style
    attachment to the saddle which is a lot more hassle to attach a new
    saddle to and adjust. I measured the original seat tube and thought it
    was 25mm and managed to find a 25mm alloy seat tube , but when I took it
    home it was just slightly too large, so I guess the original was
    actually 24mm.

    My guess would be 23.8mm, if there is a sticker on the frame somewhere
    which says "Carbolite 103". I have a 1980's Peugeot Competition with
    this size of seatpost.

    Quoted message said:

    A quick google search came up with a couple of snippets of info
    mentioning 24mm Peugeot seat tubes, but I can't find any site showing
    that size for sale.

    Not much comes up for 23.8 either.

    Quoted message said:

    Is it at all possible to source seat tubes this size anymore? I would
    like to replace the original with a new one with a microadjust head if
    at all possible.

    Its not going to be easy, but if you do find one somewhere and there
    are more in stock, let us know. There is a slightly mad alternative
    solution - get a suspension seat post with a seat clamp which fits over
    the 22.2 mm end of your existing seatpost (the one I think which fits
    the bill is a Kalloy Uno like the one which is eBay item 7170167316 for
    the next six days or so). The clamp part of this seatpost can be
    unbolted and fixed to an old fashioned style seatpost, which would
    achieve what you want.

    Quoted message said:

    The bike is a 12 speed (6 rear, 2 front) with the shifters on the
    down tube. How should I go about renewing the chain/derailleurs /rear
    sprockets/chainset etc (they work OK at the moment, but are original and
    must have done at least 5000 miles since new). The hub bearings are
    worn and the wheels are not true and I may decide to replace them also.

    This is the sort of vintage of Peugeot which may have Maillard
    Helicomatic transmission. Sourcing brand new replacement sprockets for
    this system will be at least two of the following -
    difficult/expensive/pointless. Sheldon Brown disliked the system from
    the word go. I do have a late 1980's Peugeot Triathlon, which has
    Helicomatic wheels which have done about 500 miles max (maybe less, but
    kept indoors all that time when not in use and in exceptional condition
    for their age). I am intending to upgrade this to 7 speed indexed, and
    I have already got all the bits I need to do this except for the
    spokes, so if you wanted to keep your bike in original specification,
    I'll swap you the secondhand wheels/sprockets/chain/derailleurs plus a
    new chain for the price of the spokes I need to build the replacement
    wheels (should be about £30-ish for 72 stainless double butted spokes,
    and a short delay while I build the wheels).

    If authenticity is not your aim, then get a new set of wheels (Shimano
    R550 for cheap racing wheels or Spa Cycles for cheap good hand built
    touring wheels), get a seven speed cassette and spacer and (optionally
    from now on - only if you want to go indexed) seven speed indexed gear
    shifters and rear derailleur (eBay is good for the shifters, which are
    difficult to find new). There is no real need to change the front
    derailleur if it is still in good condition. This is going to cost a
    fair bit, though. Ideally, you would get a seven speed wheel (so you
    can dump the spacer, and not have to prise open the rear traingle by a
    few mm's to fit the rear wheel, but getting quality and value for money
    is difficult in a seven speed wheel. With shimano wheels, you can
    usually replace the 8/9 speed freehub with a 7 speed one to achieve
    this with better wheels, and some shops are getting rid of their 7
    speed freehubs quite cheap (say three in a branch of Halfords the other
    day for £4 each - they used to be priced around the same cost as the
    web price for a complete hub).

    Change 7 for 8 speed in the above and forget about spacers etc if you
    want access to slightly higher quality parts, but don't mind cold
    setting (or bending, as its otherwise known) the rear triangle.

    Quoted message said:

    Any help greatly appreciated.

    HTH - I like to see these old Peugeots kept going.

    JimP

    PS Pic of my white Peugeot Triathlon with upgraded brake levers (so
    far) is at:
    http://www.jimprice.dsl.pipex.com/peugeot%20triathlon.jpg

  7. Tony Raven said:
    David Bentley said:


    One problem I have is that the original seat tube has the older style
    attachment to the saddle which is a lot more hassle to attach a new
    saddle to and adjust. I measured the original seat tube and thought it
    was 25mm and managed to find a 25mm alloy seat tube , but when I took it
    home it was just slightly too large, so I guess the original was
    actually 24mm.

    You need to measure more accurately than that. Seatposts go up in 0.2mm
    sizes and one step can make all the difference. Have a browse through
    the Wiggle site - they have a 25.8 and a 25.4mm post and may have others
    if you look a bit more.

    I had the seatpost measured today accurately with calipers and it's
    exactly 24mm. Looks like its going to be difficult/impossible to find
    a new one.

    David

  8. In message <[email hidden]>, JimP
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:


    My guess would be 23.8mm, if there is a sticker on the frame somewhere
    which says "Carbolite 103". I have a 1980's Peugeot Competition with
    this size of seatpost.


    Can't find Carbolite 103, though I seem t remember something similar in
    its spec when I bought it. I have to confess that I bought it from a
    catalogue back in 87-88. At the time it cost £260. It has a pro-am
    sticker on it and at the top of the down tube here is a Peugeot HLE
    sticker. It has a lovely metallic charcoal paint finish. The
    derailleurs are sachs huret and brakes weinmann.

    Quoted message said:

    There is a slightly mad alternative
    solution - get a suspension seat post with a seat clamp which fits over
    the 22.2 mm end of your existing seatpost (the one I think which fits
    the bill is a Kalloy Uno like the one which is eBay item 7170167316 for
    the next six days or so). The clamp part of this seatpost can be
    unbolted and fixed to an old fashioned style seatpost, which would
    achieve what you want.

    May be worth looking into

    Quoted message said:


    This is the sort of vintage of Peugeot which may have Maillard
    Helicomatic transmission. Sourcing brand new replacement sprockets for
    this system will be at least two of the following -
    difficult/expensive/pointless. Sheldon Brown disliked the system from
    the word go. I do have a late 1980's Peugeot Triathlon, which has
    Helicomatic wheels which have done about 500 miles max (maybe less, but
    kept indoors all that time when not in use and in exceptional condition
    for their age). I am intending to upgrade this to 7 speed indexed, and
    I have already got all the bits I need to do this except for the
    spokes, so if you wanted to keep your bike in original specification,
    I'll swap you the secondhand wheels/sprockets/chain/derailleurs plus a
    new chain for the price of the spokes I need to build the replacement
    wheels (should be about £30-ish for 72 stainless double butted spokes,
    and a short delay while I build the wheels).

    If authenticity is not your aim, then get a new set of wheels (Shimano
    R550 for cheap racing wheels or Spa Cycles for cheap good hand built
    touring wheels), get a seven speed cassette and spacer and (optionally
    from now on - only if you want to go indexed) seven speed indexed gear
    shifters and rear derailleur (eBay is good for the shifters, which are
    difficult to find new). There is no real need to change the front
    derailleur if it is still in good condition. This is going to cost a
    fair bit, though. Ideally, you would get a seven speed wheel (so you
    can dump the spacer, and not have to prise open the rear traingle by a
    few mm's to fit the rear wheel, but getting quality and value for money
    is difficult in a seven speed wheel. With shimano wheels, you can
    usually replace the 8/9 speed freehub with a 7 speed one to achieve
    this with better wheels, and some shops are getting rid of their 7
    speed freehubs quite cheap (say three in a branch of Halfords the other
    day for £4 each - they used to be priced around the same cost as the
    web price for a complete hub).

    Change 7 for 8 speed in the above and forget about spacers etc if you
    want access to slightly higher quality parts, but don't mind cold
    setting (or bending, as its otherwise known) the rear triangle.

    Thanks for the info - I've got a lot of thinking to do. Having been
    spoilt with indexed shifters on the bars I don't really want to have
    to go back to down tube shifters if I can change over at a reasonable
    cost. The bike itself was only entry level and isn't worth much I'm
    sure. The alternative is to buy a second hand Trek - however I am still
    rather attached to the peugeot!
    --
    David Bentley

  9. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I had the seatpost measured today accurately with calipers and it's
    exactly 24mm. Looks like its going to be difficult/impossible to find
    a new one.

    Get the smallest larger one and turn it down in a lathe. You'll loose 1/2"
    or so at the bottom where the chuck grips it, and you'll have a hole drilled
    in the other (unless you fabricate a bolt-on plate for the tailstock centre
    to fit into) - but this will work. Did it for a Mercier some decades ago.

  10. jtaylor said:

    Get the smallest larger one and turn it down in a lathe.

    Only do this on a post with reasonably thick walls. Some use disturbingly
    thin tubing (tend to be the 7075 ones).

    ~PB

  11. Quoted message said:

    I had the seatpost measured today accurately with calipers and it's
    exactly 24mm. Looks like its going to be difficult/impossible to find
    a new one.

    There are some 22.2 micro-adjust posts. One could be shimmed:

    http://www.sjscycles.com/store/vIndex.htm?item6700.htm (inline)

    http://www.bikeparts.com/ProductInfo/PowerStick-Carbon-seatpost471.html

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=22.2+micro+adjust+seatpost&meta=

    ~PB

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