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According to an e-mail I received today, "Sales of bicycles in London
have climbed since Thursdays bombings as workers look for alternatives to
public transport, the capitals biggest cycle retailer said."

I don't know the source for that quotation, but I don't doubt that it's
authentic. Terribly, horribly, unspeakably sad that the bombings
happened, but there might be tiny glimmer of silver lining if it leads to
a few more people on bikes.

I don't think that there can be a silver lining from such a heinous act
as this.

On a radio interview over NPR today, Mike Rice, who is a
representative for England's largest bicycle distibutor, confirmed what
is said in the first post.
He said that for the last two days, bicycle sales in the London region
have jumped beyond any previous level. Many shops are sold out and I
imagine that any used bikes that are advertized (excuse me, advertised)
would sell quickly. Rice said that lightweight, folding bikes were
especially popular. He indicated that they may have to raid the stock
of other European countries to meet the demand. He acknowledged that
people who commute through London traffic might have more risk of injury
than they would from terrorist attacks.
However, there's a new large zone in London, where most motor vehicles
are off-limits, at least during business hours. This would be great for
cyclists. Some Londoner will describe this more fully. This might be a
good time to open a new bike shop in England.

Steve McDonald

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:10:20 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden]

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I don't know the source for that quotation, but I don't doubt that it's
authentic. Terribly, horribly, unspeakably sad that the bombings
happened, but there might be tiny glimmer of silver lining if it leads to
a few more people on bikes.

It's just Londoners doing what they have always done: getting on with
life. Tubes down? No cabs to be had? No hotel rooms? Grab a bike.
Come winter (come next week, probably) those bikes will be back in
sheds. Remember, a lot of people working in the city are paid
six-figure salaries, the cost of a bike is nothing compared with the
inconvenience of being stuck in town.

Terrorism has been a threat at some level or other in London for all
my adult life. British railway stations do not have litter bins, and
there are periodic recorded announcements that any unattended packages
are liable to be removed without warning. When I was younger it was
the IRA; they gave warnings, but their bombs were technically
sophisticated and enormously powerful. This lot are more after
headlines and deaths, but at least the bombs are amateurish. Thank
God the IRA never managed to detonate a bomb in one of the deep tube
lines.

For what it's worth, in 1975 there was a train crash at Moorgate
station in which 29 people died and 70 were injured, and in 1987 a
smoker dropped a match at Kings Cross Station starting a fire which
killed 31 (again mostly commuters on the Underground). The pieces
were picked up and life moved on.

The last victim of the Kings Cross fire was only identified in January
2004.

Guy
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

"Let’s have a moment of silence for all those Americans who are stuck
in traffic on their way to the gym to ride the stationary bicycle."
- Earl Blumenauer

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I don't think that there can be a silver lining from such a heinous act as
this.

Couldn't agree more. Too bad the UK doesn't have a death penalty to deal
with the perpetrators.

Cheto

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I don't think that there can be a silver lining from such a heinous act as
this.

Couldn't agree more. Too bad the UK doesn't have a death penalty to deal
with the perpetrators.

Cheto

The 4 perpetrators were suicide bombers.

What are you going to threaten them with now?

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The 4 perpetrators were suicide bombers.

What are you going to threaten them with now?

I'm fairly certain there were more than four people involved in planning and
carrying out these attacks. They deserve to die.

Cheto

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The 4 perpetrators were suicide bombers.

What are you going to threaten them with now?

I'm fairly certain there were more than four people involved in planning and
carrying out these attacks. They deserve to die.

While they may *deserve* to die, you need to remember that the UK is a
civilised country, and that civilised countries don't use government
sactioned murder to deal with their problem residents.

W

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The 4 perpetrators were suicide bombers.

What are you going to threaten them with now?

I'm fairly certain there were more than four people involved in planning and
carrying out these attacks. They deserve to die.

Another impassioned plea from a disciple of The Culture of Life??

<g>

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While they may *deserve* to die, you need to remember that the UK is a
civilised country, and that civilised countries don't use government
sactioned murder to deal with their problem residents.

While you may consider them "problem residents", I consider them mass
murderers of innocent people. I hope they are hunted down and killed as
quickly as possible. And I'm sure there are many in the UK who agree with
me.

Cheto

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While they may *deserve* to die, you need to remember that the UK is a
civilised country, and that civilised countries don't use government
sactioned murder to deal with their problem residents.

While you may consider them "problem residents", I consider them mass
murderers of innocent people. I hope they are hunted down and killed as
quickly as possible. And I'm sure there are many in the UK who agree with
me.

They need to be hunted down, and removed, not always killed, but
removed, which could mean booted out, with no ability to return.

Problem is that people involved in this attack, were probably in place
before 9/11..... There are probably more that are in place now, for
future attacks. The process of dealing with groups like that, are much
different then what Westerners are used to, with invader comes, invader
attacks, war happens, invader goes home.

W

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Cheto said:

Quoted message said:

I'm fairly certain there were more than four people involved in planning

and

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carrying out these attacks. They deserve to die.

While they may *deserve* to die, you need to remember that the UK is a
civilised country, and that civilised countries don't use government
sactioned murder to deal with their problem residents.

Well said!

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They need to be hunted down, and removed, not always killed, but removed,
which could mean booted out, with no ability to return.

Right. God forbid we hurt one. That would be so 'uncivilised'.

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Problem is that people involved in this attack, were probably in place
before 9/11..... There are probably more that are in place now, for
future attacks. The process of dealing with groups like that, are much
different then what Westerners are used to, with invader comes, invader
attacks, war happens, invader goes home.

Westerners are used to it. It's simple. Terrorists kill, terrorists are
hunted down, terrorists are killed, terrorists never kill again.

Cheto

Cheto said:

Westerners are used to it. It's simple. Terrorists kill, terrorists are
hunted down, terrorists are killed, terrorists never kill again.

You must not watch the news. It goes more like this:

1. Terrrorists kill and hide in caves.
2. Non-involved contry is invaded.
3. Some terrorists there are killed. Some more are created.
4. Some Americans are killed.
5. Main terrorists continue to elude us by hiding in caves.
6. Goto 3

Cheto said:

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They need to be hunted down, and removed, not always killed, but removed,
which could mean booted out, with no ability to return.

Right. God forbid we hurt one. That would be so 'uncivilised'.

Well, actually it is, uncivilized, BTW so is terrorism. Retalition and
revenge are things little children do, because they haven't learned to
get along.

Quoted message said:

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Problem is that people involved in this attack, were probably in place
before 9/11..... There are probably more that are in place now, for
future attacks. The process of dealing with groups like that, are much
different then what Westerners are used to, with invader comes, invader
attacks, war happens, invader goes home.

Westerners are used to it. It's simple. Terrorists kill, terrorists are
hunted down, terrorists are killed, terrorists never kill again.

The problem is that often your hunting ghosts. Terror in the name of
Allah, has a very very very long memory. Woulds not suprise me to find
out the latest attack in London, was the work of someone who was in
place, before 9/11. They probably have others in place, at least as
long plotting the next batch of terror. How do you fight that?

W

Your logic is defective.

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Cheto said:

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The 4 perpetrators were suicide bombers.

What are you going to threaten them with now?

I'm fairly certain there were more than four people involved in planning
and carrying out these attacks. They deserve to die.

While they may *deserve* to die, you need to remember that the UK is a
civilised country, and that civilised countries don't use government
sactioned murder to deal with their problem residents.

W

Agreed.

"Cheto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"The Wogster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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They need to be hunted down, and removed, not always killed, but removed,
which could mean booted out, with no ability to return.

Right. God forbid we hurt one. That would be so 'uncivilised'.

Quoted message said:

Problem is that people involved in this attack, were probably in place
before 9/11..... There are probably more that are in place now, for
future attacks. The process of dealing with groups like that, are much
different then what Westerners are used to, with invader comes, invader
attacks, war happens, invader goes home.

Westerners are used to it. It's simple. Terrorists kill, terrorists are
hunted down, terrorists are killed, terrorists never kill again.

Cheto

By using horror to fight horror.

You can't use "civilized" methods to fight people who are'nt.

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Cheto said:

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They need to be hunted down, and removed, not always killed, but removed,
which could mean booted out, with no ability to return.

Right. God forbid we hurt one. That would be so 'uncivilised'.

Well, actually it is, uncivilized, BTW so is terrorism. Retalition and
revenge are things little children do, because they haven't learned to get
along.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Problem is that people involved in this attack, were probably in place
before 9/11..... There are probably more that are in place now, for
future attacks. The process of dealing with groups like that, are much
different then what Westerners are used to, with invader comes, invader
attacks, war happens, invader goes home.

Westerners are used to it. It's simple. Terrorists kill, terrorists are
hunted down, terrorists are killed, terrorists never kill again.

The problem is that often your hunting ghosts. Terror in the name of
Allah, has a very very very long memory. Woulds not suprise me to find
out the latest attack in London, was the work of someone who was in place,
before 9/11. They probably have others in place, at least as long
plotting the next batch of terror. How do you fight that?

W

The Airman said:

By using horror to fight horror.

You can't use "civilized" methods to fight people who are'nt.

So what should America for example do, out of every 1,000,000 muslims,
the number of terrorists is probably under 10.

The tricky part in dealing with it, is how do you find the 10, without
being uncivilized to the other 999,990.

W

The Airman said:

Your logic is defective.

Other then the United States, which some of us wonder is civilised or
not, name one modern, civilised country that still has the death penalty.

W

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Cheto said:

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>The 4 perpetrators were suicide bombers.
>
>What are you going to threaten them with now?

I'm fairly certain there were more than four people involved in planning
and carrying out these attacks. They deserve to die.

While they may *deserve* to die, you need to remember that the UK is a
civilised country, and that civilised countries don't use government
sactioned murder to deal with their problem residents.