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  1. The human body creates all the enzymes it requires for proper metabolism,
    we don't require any external sources of them. It is probable that most
    external food sources of them are destroyed as the normal process of
    digestion and aren't taken into the blood whole or past the upper gi
    tract. Some vegetables are more nutritious raw, others cooked or
    otherwise modified. There is a whole quite dubious industry selling a
    solution to a questionable problem in the area of enzymes. What problem
    for you speciffically is thought to be addressed by enzymes and raw or not
    foods?

    "I have been reading recently how import it is to receive an adequate
    amount
    of enzymes, especially to avoid disease like cancer.

    Cooking destroys all enzymes. So this would mean one would need to eat a
    good amount of their veggies raw. A meat eater would have to eat their
    meat
    raw. IKKK!!!

    What supplements do dairy eating vegetarians need most and do they need to
    take digestive enzymes at all if they eat some raw veggies? If not, how
    much
    raw veggies must be eaten and what would be the best ones (ones with the
    most enzymes)"

  2. Appreciate the input but I think that notion is a bit outdated. They used to
    say the same thing about vitamin supplements too. Now the medical community
    advises that people should take supplements.

    I think it's the same way with enzymes. Why else would cancer be so common
    now?

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    | The human body creates all the enzymes it requires for proper metabolism,
    | we don't require any external sources of them. It is probable that most
    | external food sources of them are destroyed as the normal process of
    | digestion and aren't taken into the blood whole or past the upper gi
    | tract. Some vegetables are more nutritious raw, others cooked or
    | otherwise modified. There is a whole quite dubious industry selling a
    | solution to a questionable problem in the area of enzymes. What problem
    | for you speciffically is thought to be addressed by enzymes and raw or not
    | foods?
    |
    | "I have been reading recently how import it is to receive an adequate
    | amount
    | of enzymes, especially to avoid disease like cancer.
    |
    | Cooking destroys all enzymes. So this would mean one would need to eat a
    | good amount of their veggies raw. A meat eater would have to eat their
    | meat
    | raw. IKKK!!!
    |
    | What supplements do dairy eating vegetarians need most and do they need to
    | take digestive enzymes at all if they eat some raw veggies? If not, how
    | much
    | raw veggies must be eaten and what would be the best ones (ones with the
    | most enzymes)"

  3. "Rachel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Appreciate the input but I think that notion is a bit outdated. They
    used to
    say the same thing about vitamin supplements too. Now the medical
    community
    advises that people should take supplements.

    Yes, because so many families are both working(be it ppor or middle
    class) and eating fast, i.e. poorly balanced food so supplements are
    rightfully suggested.

    Quoted message said:

    I think it's the same way with enzymes. Why else would cancer be so
    common
    now?

    The world spends a bazillion dollars a year on cancer research and we
    still don't know the cause. Are you suggesting you know the cause?
    Please, praytell, yell it from the roof tops, there is a Pulitzer Prize
    awaiting you.

    -DF

  4. Aren't enzymes procued by the body itself, instead of absorbing them from
    food sources.......
    I also understand that many enzymes are destroyed in the digestive tract.

    Fred

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The human body creates all the enzymes it requires for proper metabolism,
    we don't require any external sources of them. It is probable that most
    external food sources of them are destroyed as the normal process of
    digestion and aren't taken into the blood whole or past the upper gi
    tract. Some vegetables are more nutritious raw, others cooked or
    otherwise modified. There is a whole quite dubious industry selling a
    solution to a questionable problem in the area of enzymes. What problem
    for you speciffically is thought to be addressed by enzymes and raw or not
    foods?

    "I have been reading recently how import it is to receive an adequate
    amount
    of enzymes, especially to avoid disease like cancer.

    Cooking destroys all enzymes. So this would mean one would need to eat a
    good amount of their veggies raw. A meat eater would have to eat their
    meat
    raw. IKKK!!!

    What supplements do dairy eating vegetarians need most and do they need to
    take digestive enzymes at all if they eat some raw veggies? If not, how
    much
    raw veggies must be eaten and what would be the best ones (ones with the
    most enzymes)"

  5. On 12 Jul 2005 21:08:48 GMT, [email hidden] wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    The human body creates all the enzymes it requires for proper metabolism,


    [...]

    Hi Calypso,

    sorry for bothering you, but I can't easily read your posts because of the
    quoting (missing ">" before quoted lines).
    Besides they don't show up as replies in threads.

    Enrico C

  6. On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:04:28 -0400, Rachel wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    Appreciate the input but I think that notion is a bit outdated. They used to
    say the same thing about vitamin supplements too. Now the medical community
    advises that people should take supplements.

    Could you provide a study or medical statement recommending vitamin
    supplements to people who *already* follow a healthy diet, eat their
    vegetables, fruit, fish and so on, and don't smoke, drink alcohol, etc?

    Quoted message said:

    I think it's the same way with enzymes. Why else would cancer be so common
    now?

    Well, I think there may be lots of non-dietary reasons as well.

    --
    Enrico C

  7. Enrico C said:

    On 12 Jul 2005 21:08:48 GMT, [email hidden] wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    The human body creates all the enzymes it requires for proper metabolism,

    [...]

    Hi Calypso,

    sorry for bothering you, but I can't easily read your posts because of the
    quoting (missing ">" before quoted lines).
    Besides they don't show up as replies in threads.

    Enrico C

    Same problem here.
    Hit "reply" button when you want to reply. I think you may be hitting
    "write" button and copying and pasting with quoting.

    --
    Dawid Michalczyk
    http://www.art.eonworks.com - Art and Illustration

  8. Put in enzymes + cancer on pubmed.org. Then if you want to narrow the
    results even more, put in enzymes + cancer + Beard.

    Here's just one article I picked at random:

    : Anticancer Res. 2005 Mar-Apr;25(2A):1157-77.

    Proenzyme therapy of cancer.

    Novak JF, Trnka F.

    Bucknell University, Department of Biology, Lewisburg, Pennsylvania 17837,
    USA. [email hidden]

    Proteases and their inhibitors have long been investigated in numerous tumor
    systems, and at the tumor growing front, their balance has been universally
    found to be shifted towards higher proteolytic activities. However, out of
    many promising serine and metalloproteinase inhibitors, none are included in
    cancer treatment regimens at present. The current search for active
    antiproteolytic compounds is in contrast to the classical approach developed
    by John Beard, who suggested treating advanced cancer by fresh pancreatic
    extracts whose antitumor activity was based on their proteolytic potential.
    We followed John Beard's recommendations by using purified pancreatic
    proenzymes/enzymes, trypsinogen/trypsin (TG/TR),
    chymotrypsinogen/chymotrypsin (CG/CH) and amylase (AM). The mixture of these
    enzymatic activities produces potent antimetastatic and antitumor effects in
    cellular, animal and human systems. The treatment of cultured tumor cells
    with TR and CH at picomolar concentrations, comparable to those achieved in
    the blood of the patients, causes complete arrest of the directional
    movement of metastatic cells. Conversely, the same treatment of normal cells
    results in enhanced motility and an accelerated closure of the gap created
    in cell monolayers. Further, treatment of cells with serine proteases
    results in the formation of cellular 3-dimensional structures such as
    lamellae, cell streams and aggregates. In some cell types, the aggregates
    are compacted via cadherin-based cell-cell communication systems and form
    compact spheroids. In the highly metastatic cells with lower cadherin
    expression, the ability to form spheroids also diminishes. Tumor cells
    unable to form spheroids when treated with proteases are subject to
    elimination by apoptosis. In contrast, a large proportion of cells that form
    spheroids remain viable, although they are metabolically suppressed.
    Protease-treated tumor cells contain a disrupted actin cytoskeleton and
    exhibit a loss of front-to-back polarity. We hypothesize that the provision
    of zymogens, rather than the enzymes, was of crucial importance to the
    clinical effectiveness in the human trials conducted by Beard and his
    co-workers. The precursor nature of the active enzymes may offer protection
    against numerous serpins present in the tissues and blood. Experimental
    evidence supports the assertion that the conversion from proenzyme to enzyme
    occurs selectively on the surface of the tumor cells, but not on normal
    cells. We believe that this selectivity of activation is responsible for the
    antitumor/antimetastatic effect of proenzyme therapy and low toxicity to
    normal cells or tumor host. Elevated levels of endostatin and angiostatin
    appear in the blood of TG/CG/AM-treated tumor-bearing mice, but not in tumor
    mice treated with the vehicle alone or in proenzyme-treated tumor-free mice.
    These findings support the conclusion that proteolysis is the active
    mechanism of the proenzyme treatment. Future studies will focus on the
    molecular mechanisms of the proenzyme therapy including the identification
    of molecular target(s) on the tumor cells. In conclusion, we have discovered
    that proenzyme therapy, mandated first by John Beard nearly one hundred
    years ago, shows remarkable selective effects that result in growth
    inhibition of tumor cells with metastatic potential.

    PMID: 15868959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    ****

    It seems if people had not been so quick to jump on the "Saint" Madame Curie
    bandwagon which thought radiation was the answer to everything, they may
    have developed a cancer cure by now.

    John Beard one hundred years ago understood how enzymes related to cancer
    and was the pioneer of stem cell theory though he didn't even realize it at
    the time and was curing cancers back then. Modern medicine is finally taking
    note of him and continuing his research.

    Some other links who talk about Beard:

    http://www.cancerdecisions.com/062602.html

    http://www.thecureforheartdisease.com/owen/CancerCure.htm

    http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/treatment_txt.htm

    http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lenzymes.htm

    "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    |

    |
    | The world spends a bazillion dollars a year on cancer research and we
    | still don't know the cause. Are you suggesting you know the cause?
    | Please, praytell, yell it from the roof tops, there is a Pulitzer Prize
    | awaiting you.
    |
    | -DF
    |
    |

  9. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The human body creates all the enzymes it requires for


    proper metabolism,

    Quoted message said:

    we don't require any external sources of them.

    bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzztttt... thats only correct in ones
    youth...over age 50 or 60 that enzyme production drops
    drastically.... in that range enzyme suppliments (try a range
    and watch it closely) and fix up a lot of problems.

    Yes,,,and raw foods are a wonderful source or enzymes.

    Phil Scott

    It is probable that most

    Quoted message said:

    external food sources of them are destroyed as the normal


    process of

    Quoted message said:

    digestion and aren't taken into the blood whole or past the


    upper gi

    Quoted message said:

    tract. Some vegetables are more nutritious raw, others


    cooked or

    Quoted message said:

    otherwise modified. There is a whole quite dubious industry


    selling a

    Quoted message said:

    solution to a questionable problem in the area of enzymes.


    What problem

    Quoted message said:

    for you speciffically is thought to be addressed by enzymes


    and raw or not

    Quoted message said:

    foods?

    "I have been reading recently how import it is to receive an


    adequate

    Quoted message said:

    amount
    of enzymes, especially to avoid disease like cancer.

    Cooking destroys all enzymes. So this would mean one would


    need to eat a

    Quoted message said:

    good amount of their veggies raw. A meat eater would have to


    eat their

    Quoted message said:

    meat
    raw. IKKK!!!

    What supplements do dairy eating vegetarians need most and


    do they need to

    Quoted message said:

    take digestive enzymes at all if they eat some raw veggies?


    If not, how

    Quoted message said:

    much
    raw veggies must be eaten and what would be the best ones


    (ones with the

    Quoted message said:

    most enzymes)"

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