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  1. What's the team thing all about in the TdF? Aren't they all out to win it,
    or do some accept that they have no chance and help their top guy by getting
    in the way of the competitors?

    And what about that pacing stuff, where some guy sits in the lead for ages,
    and then drops back with a few Ks to go, and his buddies thank him?

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    Wally
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    www.wally.myby.co.uk

  2. Wally said:

    What's the team thing all about in the TdF? Aren't they all out to
    win it, or do some accept that they have no chance and help their top
    guy by getting in the way of the competitors?

    And what about that pacing stuff, where some guy sits in the lead for
    ages, and then drops back with a few Ks to go, and his buddies thank
    him?

    Cycle racing is a funny sport in that the team members support the nominated
    team leader by effectively sacrificing their reserves of energy. I don't
    know of this exists in any other team sport.

    Different members will have different skills; some might be used to fetch
    and carry supplies (domestiques), others will be pure climbers, some will be
    sprint specialists and others excellent time triallists. Some teams will
    specialise in certain disciplines and attempt to win the separate
    competitions (king of the mountains, points competition) for their nominated
    leaders -- witness Cofidis yesterday setting up O'Grady for the sprint by
    getting to the front of the peleton as they neared Mulhouse. Working at the
    front of the peleton uses a good deal of energy. It's not simply 'getting in
    the way' as it benefits other riders (if they can maintain the pace -- but
    that's another story).

    You'll find that the team leaders in the really big teams are excellent
    all-rounders -- it is those riders who will compete for the general
    classification (or fastest time around the route).

  3. in message <[email hidden]>, Wally

    (') said:

    What's the team thing all about in the TdF? Aren't they all out to win
    it, or do some accept that they have no chance and help their top guy

    Yes...

    Quoted message said:

    by getting in the way of the competitors?

    No, or at least not officially...

    Quoted message said:

    And what about that pacing stuff, where some guy sits in the lead for
    ages, and then drops back with a few Ks to go, and his buddies thank
    him?

    Well, that's a large part of the team thing. No-one has the strength to
    ride at full effort for twenty days. So the less strong riders protect
    and support the strongest rider on their team for as long as they are
    able, so he has to do as little work as possible and is as fit and
    rested as possible when his extra strength and ability is needed.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; this is not a .sig

  4. Simonb said:

    Cycle racing is a funny sport in that the team members support the
    nominated team leader by effectively sacrificing their reserves of
    energy.

    Aha.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    You'll find that the team leaders in the really big teams are
    excellent all-rounders -- it is those riders who will compete for the
    general classification (or fastest time around the route).

    So, this pacing thing - do the top guys have differing 'performance curves'
    over time, such that their team mates try to control the speed of the
    peleton to best suit ther guy, and hopefully to the detriment of the
    opposing teams' top guys?

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    Wally
    www.artbywally.com
    www.wally.myby.co.uk

  5. Simon Brooke said:

    Well, that's a large part of the team thing. No-one has the strength
    to ride at full effort for twenty days. So the less strong riders
    protect and support the strongest rider on their team for as long as
    they are able, so he has to do as little work as possible and is as
    fit and rested as possible when his extra strength and ability is
    needed.

    Yup, got the idea. Just not sure how pacing the peleton can benefit one
    team's top rider, without doing the same for the other teams (see post to
    SimonB).

    --
    Wally
    www.artbywally.com
    www.wally.myby.co.uk

  6. Wally said:

    So, this pacing thing - do the top guys have differing 'performance
    curves' over time, such that their team mates try to control the
    speed of the peleton to best suit ther guy, and hopefully to the
    detriment of the opposing teams' top guys?

    For one thing, it doesn't seem that the other teams on this tour have the
    strength to maintain a pace as high as Discovery. Secondly, Lance _is_ the
    strongest amongst the top GC contenders.

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