<HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>New contender for 2003 TdF announced on SBS </TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Verdana">Steven Hodge, SBS’ expert cycling analyst, annou= nced last night the arrival of a new contender for this years Grand Boucle &= #8211; Jan Ullrish!</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>
As much as I think Hodgo is a tool, the German pronunciation of Ullrich is more like "Ullrish" than the accepted "Ullrick" type sound that Phil and Paul use:
2. "Ch" following "e", "i", "ä", "ö", "ü", the diphthongs "eu" or "äu" and the consonants "l", "n" or "r". Whereas "ch" in the previous instance was a sound formed in the back of the mouth, this is one formed in the front of the mouth. Imagine saying the English words "humour" or "humane", but breathe with the tip of the tongue touching the back of the lower front teeth.
Realistically you'll never say it properly unless you are a native German speaker.
Screw the name. and how we pronouce it. we all know who he is talking about when he says "Ullrich" . Why dont we import a scottish for the TDF announcer? That would makes it more interesting.
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As much as I think Hodgo is a tool, the German pronunciation of Ullrich is more like "Ullrish" than the accepted "Ullrick" type sound that Phil and Paul use:
2. "Ch" following "e", "i", "ä", "ö", "ü", the diphthongs "eu" or "äu" and the consonants "l", "n" or "r". Whereas "ch" in the previous instance was a sound formed in the back of the mouth, this is one formed in the front of the mouth. Imagine saying the English words "humour" or "humane", but breathe with the tip of the tongue touching the back of the lower front teeth.
Realistically you'll never say it properly unless you are a native German speaker.
.... and further to that, why does the other presenter on SBS think that any European cyclists name should be pronounced with an faux European accent ?
He doesn't pronounce the American cyclists names with an American accent or the English with an English accent.
It [censored] me.
-- Tony (Feels like nit picking again)
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.... and further to that, why does the other presenter on SBS
You mean that other guy ...um... what's his name? Oh, Phil Liggett? Not that well known eh.
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think that any European cyclists name should be pronounced with an faux
European accent ?
I think you might find that it's more than just an accent but actually the correct pronunciation. Try to take a world view - people's names originate from many languages other than English and pronunciation of letters and syllables differs from country to country. I puzzle over David Ollie's pronunciation (on the ABC) of Vinokourov - 'ViNOKorov'. Don't think that's right.
More than a few people don't get the right pronunciation of my surname the first time. But they do get it eventually.
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He doesn't pronounce the American cyclists names with an American accent
or
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the English with an English accent.
That's because the accent may change but the basic pronunciation of letters does not.
.... and further to that, why does the other presenter on SBS think
that any
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European cyclists name should be pronounced with an faux European
accent ?
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It [censored] me. (Feels like nit picking again)
That's a very small nit you're picking there Tony. My surname is Dutch and Bekkers is pronounced the same in English as in Dutch. People tend to insist on spelling it with ck but <shrug>. One person (in the USA) corrected it to ck on a form I filled in. :-)
My mother's maiden name is Schoots which is invariably pronounced in English as Scoots or Shoots. My mother would not audibly recognise either as being her name. She would not respond to it. You cannot pronounce Schoots without a Dutch accent and few people whose first language is not Dutch or German could enunciate the 'sch' sound anyway. People prefer you to get their names right in spelling and pronunciation. The presenters are only trying to accommodate that.
Cheers
Theo You probably didn't say Tay-oh the way my mother did but I'm used to Cee-o. Bill Gates spellchecker tried to change my mum's name to Scoots with Shoots as a second option. LOL.
You cannot pronounce Schoots without a Dutch accent and few people whose first language is not Dutch or German could enunciate the 'sch' sound anyway.
A Dutch friend told me once that they way we Aussies pronounce the swimmer Pieter van den Hoogenband's name (sorry if I misspelled it) is pretty funny.
Amazing how English speaking people think Pieter would be pronounced as Peter.
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Amazing only to you. Before you get smug, as one example of many, explain how Worcestershire is pronounced and why.
As it tastes. [censored]!
Only about 15% of the words in the English language originate in Old English. It is probably the most bastardised language on earth, some would say that was appropriate. :-)
