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  1. Does anyone know the recommended width for a two-way shared use bridge?
    It's in Highways Agency publication no. BD 29/03.

    I've just been looking at a new farcility under construction that has a
    bridge exactly 2m wide, with approach paths 1.8m wide. And it's
    supposed to open in a week -- no way, a month more like. One of the
    ramps is a tight spiral 420degrees round the bridge support -- with
    nothing to stop anyone going over the edge!

    The official position is:

    Cambridgeshire County Councillor John Powley, member for Soham,
    welcomed the measures. He said: "Many children study at Soham and
    these new traffic calming measures will make it much safer for them
    to get to and from school. I am particularly pleased with the new
    cycleways and the pedestrian/ cyclebridge which will be built over
    the A142."

    Cambridgeshire County Council press release 078/2005

    When they've finished it & I've taken more photos there will be some
    more ranting. (Too late, I know.)

    ARMB, your boys will be using this thing eventually, have you taken a look
    at it yet?

    Mike

  2. Mike Causer said:

    Does anyone know the recommended width for a two-way shared use bridge?
    It's in Highways Agency publication no. BD 29/03.

    I don't, but you do get my vote for subject typo of the year.
    Presumably a scared use bridge is too narrow by definition :-)

    Peter

  3. Peter Amey said:

    I don't, but you do get my vote for subject typo of the year. Presumably a
    scared use bridge is too narrow by definition :-)

    One was deliberate, t'other was a typo. Newsreader does spelt chucking
    in the body, but not in the headers. Sigh. So embarrassing.

    Mike

  4. Mike Causer said:

    Does anyone know the recommended width for a two-way shared use bridge?
    It's in Highways Agency publication no. BD 29/03.

    One URL, probably about to be split:

    http://www.archive2.official-documents.co.uk/document/deps/ha/ghost/dmrb/vol2/sect2/bd2904.pdf

    2m is the right answer, as long as they don't paint a white line on
    it. Clause 12.4

    regards, Ian SMith
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  5. Mike Causer said:

    Does anyone know the recommended width for a two-way shared use bridge?
    It's in Highways Agency publication no. BD 29/03.

    I've just been looking at a new farcility under construction that has a
    bridge exactly 2m wide, with approach paths 1.8m wide. And it's
    supposed to open in a week -- no way, a month more like. One of the
    ramps is a tight spiral 420degrees round the bridge support -- with
    nothing to stop anyone going over the edge!


    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    ARMB, your boys will be using this thing eventually, have you taken a look
    at it yet?

    Only from driving under it. I hadn't realized how bad it was.

  6. In article said:
    Mike Causer said:

    Does anyone know the recommended width for a two-way shared use bridge?
    It's in Highways Agency publication no. BD 29/03.

    I've just been looking at a new farcility under construction that has a
    bridge exactly 2m wide, with approach paths 1.8m wide.

    http://www.sustrans.org.uk/webfiles/guidelines/Highway%20Links.pdf
    says "The preferred width of a one-way cycle lane is 2.0m, minimum width
    1.5m. Two-way cycle lanes should preferably be 3.0m wide".

    http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_localtrans/documents/pdf/
    dft_localtrans_pdf_028707.pdf "Adjacent and Shared Use Facilities for
    Pedestrians and Cyclists" doesn't seem to cover two-way routes, but
    does point out the need for extra room where edges are constrained
    (like, say, the sides of a bridge).

    A "Vertical feature above 1200mm high" requires an extra 500mm, taking
    that 2m bridge down to 1m, which is the absolute minimum for a
    pedestrian route ("should only be retained at pinch points, or short,
    very lightly used locations where overtaking and passing manoeuvres are
    likely to be rare. In any case, 1.0m wide sections should not exceed
    6.0m in length", and below the 1.5m absolute minimum for a cycle track.

    Those minimums are for single use, "Shared use facilities have operated
    satisfactorily down to 2.0m wide with considerable use by pedestrians
    and cyclists (up to around 200 per hour). However, this width should be
    considered to be an absolute minimum, and the desirable minimum is 3.0m"
    (That's the absolute minimum _effective_ width after allowing for the
    edge constraints.)

    http://www.kent.gov.uk/travelling/downloads/cyclingstrategy.pdf
    says a two way shared facility should be 3.0m desirable, 2.5m minimum,
    no source quoted.

    And it's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    supposed to open in a week -- no way, a month more like. One of the
    ramps is a tight spiral 420degrees round the bridge support -- with
    nothing to stop anyone going over the edge!


    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    ARMB, your boys will be using this thing eventually, have you taken a look
    at it yet?

    Only from driving under it. I hadn't realized how bad it was.

    I've still not been to have a look, but thought I'd mention that being
    largely intended for children going to school, it's going to be largely
    one way into that village in the morning and one way outwards in the
    afternoon.
    (I don't think I ever saw anyone (except myself, rarely) cycling round
    that roundabout before the work started, but then I wasn't there at the
    time that school children would be.)

  7. Mike Causer said:


    I've just been looking at a new farcility under construction that has a
    bridge exactly 2m wide, with approach paths 1.8m wide. And it's
    supposed to open in a week -- no way, a month more like. One of the
    ramps is a tight spiral 420degrees round the bridge support -- with
    nothing to stop anyone going over the edge!

    There is fencing round the spiral now - temporary, but suggests something
    permanent will follow. (And beside the ramp on the other side.)

  8. On 07/10/2005 17:01:19 (Alan Braggins) said:

    Mike Causer wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've just been looking at a new farcility under construction that has a
    bridge exactly 2m wide, with approach paths 1.8m wide. And it's supposed
    to open in a week -- no way, a month more like. One of the ramps is a
    tight spiral 420degrees round the bridge support -- with nothing to stop
    anyone going over the edge!

    Quoted message said:

    There is fencing round the spiral now - temporary, but suggests something
    permanent will follow. (And beside the ramp on the other side.)

    The spiral could be interesting with two way traffic.

    --

    Buck

    I would rather be out on my Catrike

    http://www.catrike.co.uk

  9. Buck said:
    Quoted message said:

    There is fencing round the spiral now - temporary, but suggests
    something permanent will follow. (And beside the ramp on the other
    side.)

    The spiral could be interesting with two way traffic.

    As Alan pointed out earlier, the traffic is very tidal, towards the
    schools in Soham in the morning and away in the afternoon. However the
    spiral *is* going to be interesting when there's frost or ice on it.

    Mike

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