Does it count?

No.

I stated that one could have a BMI of 22.8 and still be overfat.

I also stated that there are many people who are skinny-fat.

I suppose you won't understand the distinction.

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According to JC, there are a "lot" of
"skinny fat" people with BMI of 22.8.

You don't know who Jared (the sandwich dude) is?

Saffire and Cubit both post to this newsgroup.

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could

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> >> diet
> > down
> >> but don't exercise, and also with people who don't get enough

protein.

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> > "Skinny fat"? That might happen.
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>

Yeah? Could you post some pictures of a "skinny fat" person? Or, cite
some
articles that discuss this issue?

Check out Jared, Saffire, and Cubit, just for starters.

Links to pictures? And, height/weight stats? Are they really around 22.8
BMI? Do you have any data on what their body fat percentages actually are,
or are you just assigning the "skinny fat" label based on your own
prejudices? Or, perhaps you're just jealous??

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You don't know who Jared (the sandwich dude) is?

Saffire and Cubit both post to this newsgroup.

I do, but I don't know their height, weight, or body fat status. You
originally claimed that there were a lot of people with BMI around 22.8 who
are "skinny fat"...yet you appear unable to provide data to back up your
claims.

Perhaps it would help if you provided us with an objective definition for
"skinny fat".

So far, the only person who's posted height, weight, and body fat is Lynne.
Her numbers show a healthy BMI and a healthy body fat percentage. However,
she is dissatisified with herself and wants to be "ripped". This is
admirable, but if that is typical of "skinny fat" it indicates the "problem"
you describe is more psychological than physical.

And you've still not provided any links to obesity/health research
documenting this specious "problem". I strongly suspect it's because the
problem is only in your own mind.

GG

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could

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>> >> skinny fat and not lean. This happens quite often with people

who

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>> > "Skinny fat"? That might happen.
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> Yeah? Could you post some pictures of a "skinny fat" person? Or,

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Check out Jared, Saffire, and Cubit, just for starters.

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22.8

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BMI? Do you have any data on what their body fat percentages actually

are,

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or are you just assigning the "skinny fat" label based on your own
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Just be
careful you don't go too low in BF...if you ever start menstruating
irregularly, or if it stops, that's a big warning sign that you're

damaging

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your health. Google the "Female Athlete Triad" to see some more scary

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about women who try too hard to be ripped (especially common with

gymnasts,

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runners, cyclists, etc.).

What do you think are the odds that will seriously ever be a concern
for her?

Or for the vast majority of people?

It depends...probably pretty low, but the problem is well-documented, as are
the health effects.

It's more common among women - especially those who are driven to
"perfection". I've personally consulted with a number of women (on various
cycling forums) who have had problems in this area. One woman I
communicated with had not menstruated in nearly 3 years.

Most people aren't so driven to get to those low body fat levels, but some
clearly are.

GG

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Just be
careful you don't go too low in BF...if you ever start menstruating
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damaging

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your health. Google the "Female Athlete Triad" to see some more scary

stuff

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about women who try too hard to be ripped (especially common with

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runners, cyclists, etc.).

If you're going to use Outlook Express, please consider downloading
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What do you think are the odds that will seriously ever be a concern
for her?

Or for the vast majority of people?

It depends...probably pretty low, but the problem is well-documented, as are
the health effects.

Probably?

The problem might be "well-documented", but it's not bloody likely
that it will ever be a real concern for Lynne or for just about anyone
else.

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It's more common among women - especially those who are driven to
"perfection". I've personally consulted with a number of women (on various
cycling forums) who have had problems in this area. One woman I
communicated with had not menstruated in nearly 3 years.

Most people aren't so driven to get to those low body fat levels, but some
clearly are.

Not very many. Do you have information to the contrary?

Most people eat too dammed much and don't get enough exercise.
Now, that's a real concern.

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No.

I stated that one could have a BMI of 22.8 and still be overfat.

I also stated that there are many people who are skinny-fat.

So, would an "overfat" person with a BMI of 22.8 be considered "skinny fat"?

Would an overfat person with a BMI of 30 be considered "skinny fat"?

A definition of the term would be useful to this debate.

GG

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I suppose you won't understand the distinction.

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According to JC, there are a "lot" of
"skinny fat" people with BMI of 22.8.

You continually misrepresent what I wrote.

Is this a comprehension issue, or are you being purposely obtuse?

I have my suspicions.

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You don't know who Jared (the sandwich dude) is?

Saffire and Cubit both post to this newsgroup.

I do, but I don't know their height, weight, or body fat status. You
originally claimed that there were a lot of people with BMI around 22.8
who
are "skinny fat"...yet you appear unable to provide data to back up your
claims.

Perhaps it would help if you provided us with an objective definition for
"skinny fat".

So far, the only person who's posted height, weight, and body fat is
Lynne.
Her numbers show a healthy BMI and a healthy body fat percentage.
However,
she is dissatisified with herself and wants to be "ripped". This is
admirable, but if that is typical of "skinny fat" it indicates the
"problem"
you describe is more psychological than physical.

And you've still not provided any links to obesity/health research
documenting this specious "problem". I strongly suspect it's because the
problem is only in your own mind.

GG

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> > be
> >> >> skinny fat and not lean. This happens quite often with people

who

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> >> > down
> >> >> but don't exercise, and also with people who don't get enough
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> >> > "Skinny fat"? That might happen.
> >>
> >> It happens a lot.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Yeah? Could you post some pictures of a "skinny fat" person? Or,

cite

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>
> Check out Jared, Saffire, and Cubit, just for starters.

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22.8

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BMI? Do you have any data on what their body fat percentages actually

are,

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No.

I stated that one could have a BMI of 22.8 and still be overfat.

I also stated that there are many people who are skinny-fat.

So, would an "overfat" person with a BMI of 22.8 be considered "skinny
fat"?

Yes.

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Would an overfat person with a BMI of 30 be considered "skinny fat"?

An overfat person with a BMI of 30 would most likely be "fat". HTH

Let's try to clarify a little. You are skinny. If you developed a gut and
your arms and legs stayed the same, you would be skinny fat. This happens
to a lot of guys who were skinny their whole life when they reach middle
age.

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You continually misrepresent what I wrote.

And you have yet to provide us with a definition of "skinny fat", or any
evidence that it is the problem you suggest it is.

In an earlier post, you stated:

"One can have a BMI of 22.8 and still carry fat. IOW, the person could be
skinny fat and not lean. This happens quite often with people who diet down
but don't exercise, and also with people who don't get enough protein."

When you say "still carry fat" - are you unaware that we all "carry fat"?
Even the "leanest" amongst us.

But, perhaps you meant that they carry "too much fat". In that case, could
you define what "too much fat" is, in terms of body fat percentages?

As for this happening "quite often" - can you cite any studies as to how
often this "problem" occurs? Surely if there are a lot of people with
BMI's<23 who are carrying around an unhealthy level of body fat, that would
have been noted in a few studies in the literature.

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Is this a comprehension issue, or are you being purposely obtuse?

Partly it's because I don't believe the "skinny fat" problem you describe is
a real problem (other than in your own mind).

Partly it's just for sport, because you're such a [censored].

GG

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I have my suspicions.

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You don't know who Jared (the sandwich dude) is?

Saffire and Cubit both post to this newsgroup.

I do, but I don't know their height, weight, or body fat status. You
originally claimed that there were a lot of people with BMI around 22.8
who
are "skinny fat"...yet you appear unable to provide data to back up your
claims.

Perhaps it would help if you provided us with an objective definition

for

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"skinny fat".

So far, the only person who's posted height, weight, and body fat is
Lynne.
Her numbers show a healthy BMI and a healthy body fat percentage.
However,
she is dissatisified with herself and wants to be "ripped". This is
admirable, but if that is typical of "skinny fat" it indicates the
"problem"
you describe is more psychological than physical.

And you've still not provided any links to obesity/health research
documenting this specious "problem". I strongly suspect it's because

the

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problem is only in your own mind.

GG

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person

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> could
>> > be
>> >> >> skinny fat and not lean. This happens quite often with people

who

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>> >> >> diet
>> >> > down
>> >> >> but don't exercise, and also with people who don't get enough
> protein.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Skinny fat"? That might happen.
>> >>
>> >> It happens a lot.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Yeah? Could you post some pictures of a "skinny fat" person? Or,

cite

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>> > articles that discuss this issue?
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>> Check out Jared, Saffire, and Cubit, just for starters.
>
> Links to pictures? And, height/weight stats? Are they really around

22.8

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> BMI? Do you have any data on what their body fat percentages actually

are,

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> or are you just assigning the "skinny fat" label based on your own
> prejudices? Or, perhaps you're just jealous??
>
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So, if I have a healthy BMI, and a healthy body fat percentage, but my body
fat is stored primarily in my abdominal area, that would be "skinny fat"?
But men often store their body fat preferentially in the abdominal area,
especially as they age.

So, this could also be considered "normal"

So what if it's 'normal'?

Men may very well tend to do that. Sure doesn't make it healthy
though.

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...so what's the benefit in calling it "skinny fat"?

What would you prefer it be called?

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No.

I stated that one could have a BMI of 22.8 and still be overfat.

I also stated that there are many people who are skinny-fat.

So, would an "overfat" person with a BMI of 22.8 be considered "skinny
fat"?

Yes.

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Would an overfat person with a BMI of 30 be considered "skinny fat"?

An overfat person with a BMI of 30 would most likely be "fat". HTH

Let's try to clarify a little. You are skinny. If you developed a gut

and

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your arms and legs stayed the same, you would be skinny fat. This happens
to a lot of guys who were skinny their whole life when they reach middle
age.

So, if I have a healthy BMI, and a healthy body fat percentage, but my body
fat is stored primarily in my abdominal area, that would be "skinny fat"?
But men often store their body fat preferentially in the abdominal area,
especially as they age. So, this could also be considered "normal"...so
what's the benefit in calling it "skinny fat"?

GG

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Not only does it 'count"---it counts BIG TIME! You MET your goal. You
ran the Gauntlet, slew the Dragon, sought the Grail and found it. This
is no small thing.

IF you have now chosen another goal, fine. You will meet that one, too.
That's just the icing on the cake. (LC, of course!)

Dont let this new decision to lose more rob you of your well-earned Joy
of accomplishment.

You done real good. Rejoice.

Start LC~5-16-05
202-188-165

Shocking.

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Is this a comprehension issue, or are you being purposely obtuse?

Partly it's just for sport, because you're such a [censored].

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> No.
>
> I stated that one could have a BMI of 22.8 and still be overfat.
>
> I also stated that there are many people who are skinny-fat.

So, would an "overfat" person with a BMI of 22.8 be considered "skinny
fat"?

Yes.

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Would an overfat person with a BMI of 30 be considered "skinny fat"?

An overfat person with a BMI of 30 would most likely be "fat". HTH

Let's try to clarify a little. You are skinny. If you developed a gut

and

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your arms and legs stayed the same, you would be skinny fat. This
happens
to a lot of guys who were skinny their whole life when they reach middle
age.

So, if I have a healthy BMI,

No such thing.

and a healthy body fat percentage, but my body

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fat is stored primarily in my abdominal area, that would be "skinny fat"?
But men often store their body fat preferentially in the abdominal area,
especially as they age. So, this could also be considered "normal"...so
what's the benefit in calling it "skinny fat"?

It's "normal" for people of the US to be obese. Does that mean we should
accept it as a good thing?

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>

Nawwww, it has more to do with the rolls I have around my waist! BF was
measured via tape measure calculations, not quite as accurate as
calipers,
but acceptable until the funds for calipers come available. Not only do
I
have waist rolls, but mine thighs also touch, and my face is MUCH fatter
than it used to be. 'Sides, *ripped* is my ultimate goal<LOL>

That's a worthy goal if you have the desire and the persistence. Just be
careful you don't go too low in BF...if you ever start menstruating
irregularly, or if it stops, that's a big warning sign that you're
damaging
your health. Google the "Female Athlete Triad" to see some more scary
stuff
about women who try too hard to be ripped (especially common with
gymnasts,
runners, cyclists, etc.).

Weeeellll, menses is not a real good measure for me-I had a total
hysterectomy 2 years ago!LOL I have a loooonnng way to go before I need to
worry about that though-my first goal is 20% BF, and then I will adjust from
there depending on how I feel and look. For me personally, ripped is good,
shredded is bad, so it should be ok, but I'll continue to be aware, for
sure!

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I can't say
that my BMI or BF is bad for every woman, but for *me* personally, it's

not

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acceptable. I have always weighed around 120, and while I don't know
what
my BF was, it was definitely lower than it is now! It's only since I

became

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so sedentary that I've gotten so flabby. Basically, that's all that
skinny-fat is. Flabby rather than fit. And normal is not an option for

me,

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JMHO-normal these days is waaaayy too heavy.

Lot of truth to that...look at pictures of average Americans now vs. 50
years ago - we've become "super-sized".

Very much so! On the up side, I hear from a LOT of women who have started
lifting weights and working out-they have no desire to be *average* I take
it as a good sign that maybe people are starting to wake up to what they are
doing to their bodies!

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GG

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>>
>> I stated that one could have a BMI of 22.8 and still be overfat.
>>
>> I also stated that there are many people who are skinny-fat.
>
> So, would an "overfat" person with a BMI of 22.8 be considered

"skinny

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> fat"?

Yes.

>
> Would an overfat person with a BMI of 30 be considered "skinny fat"?
>

An overfat person with a BMI of 30 would most likely be "fat". HTH

Let's try to clarify a little. You are skinny. If you developed a

gut

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and

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your arms and legs stayed the same, you would be skinny fat. This
happens
to a lot of guys who were skinny their whole life when they reach

middle

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age.

So, if I have a healthy BMI,

No such thing.

and a healthy body fat percentage, but my body

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fat is stored primarily in my abdominal area, that would be "skinny

fat"?

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But men often store their body fat preferentially in the abdominal area,
especially as they age. So, this could also be considered "normal"...so
what's the benefit in calling it "skinny fat"?

It's "normal" for people of the US to be obese. Does that mean we should
accept it as a good thing?

We were discussing "skinny fat", not obesity. So far, the only objective
numbers posted for a "skinny fat" person have been Lynne's. She is, by both
BMI, and body fat percentage, in the "healthy range". Could she lose some
additional body fat to achieve a more "ripped" physique? Sure...but by all
objective measures she is currently at a healthy weight and body
composition.

Based on that, and seeing no other supporting evidence to back up your
assertions that "skinny fat" is a widespread problem, and no objective
definition of the term, it sounds like "skinny fat" is merely a pejorative
you've chosen as a synonym for "not ripped".

GG

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Shocking.

Surely you can't be surprised by that, given your posting history.

GG

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your BMI does not really mean much.. it can not tell what % of your weight
is lean muscle and what is fat.

Tori

True, especially for people who exercise a lot, or people who are very tall.
But, for most folks it is a pretty decent surrogate for "fatness".

^ of european ancestry

See Sally Squiers' article in the Washington Post about how the BMI
numbers may not track well for non-europeans.

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/04/
AR2005070400949.html>

I don't regard her as the most unbiased source, but since this doesn't
have much to do w/ her preference for low-fat, I'm willing to believe she
may be accurately reporting the study.

Martha

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For people with BMI>30, the vast majority are clearly overly fat, not overly
muscled.

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> >> >> One can have a BMI of 22.8 and still carry fat. IOW, the person
could
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> >> >> skinny fat and not lean. This happens quite often with people

who

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> >> >> diet
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> >> >> but don't exercise, and also with people who don't get enough
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> >> > "Skinny fat"? That might happen.
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> >> It happens a lot.
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> > Yeah? Could you post some pictures of a "skinny fat" person? Or,

cite

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> > articles that discuss this issue?
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> Look here, Gary-I am skinny-fat. I hope the pic helps, it's not full
body.
> But you can clearly see the lack of muscle definition, and the pudgy
cheeks.
> http://www.theembroiderystop.com/Lynne.html

What's your height and weight? According to JC, there are a "lot" of
"skinny fat" people with BMI of 22.8.

GG

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> >> No.
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> >> I stated that one could have a BMI of 22.8 and still be overfat.
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> >> I also stated that there are many people who are skinny-fat.
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> > So, would an "overfat" person with a BMI of 22.8 be considered

"skinny

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> > Would an overfat person with a BMI of 30 be considered "skinny fat"?
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> An overfat person with a BMI of 30 would most likely be "fat". HTH
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> Let's try to clarify a little. You are skinny. If you developed a

gut

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and
> your arms and legs stayed the same, you would be skinny fat. This
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> to a lot of guys who were skinny their whole life when they reach

middle

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> age.

So, if I have a healthy BMI,

No such thing.

and a healthy body fat percentage, but my body

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fat is stored primarily in my abdominal area, that would be "skinny

fat"?

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But men often store their body fat preferentially in the abdominal
area,
especially as they age. So, this could also be considered
"normal"...so
what's the benefit in calling it "skinny fat"?

It's "normal" for people of the US to be obese. Does that mean we should
accept it as a good thing?

We were discussing "skinny fat", not obesity.

So you don't understand the parallels in logic.

That explains quite a bit.

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We were discussing "skinny fat", not obesity. So far, the only objective
numbers posted for a "skinny fat" person have been Lynne's. She is, by
both
BMI, and body fat percentage, in the "healthy range". Could she lose some
additional body fat to achieve a more "ripped" physique? Sure...but by
all
objective measures she is currently at a healthy weight and body
composition.

Based on that, and seeing no other supporting evidence to back up your
assertions that "skinny fat" is a widespread problem, and no objective
definition of the term, it sounds like "skinny fat" is merely a pejorative
you've chosen as a synonym for "not ripped".

GG

Yabbut, Gary-what is considered *healthy* is obviously not accurate, based
on my experience alone. There is NO way that someone with as much belly fat
as me is healthy! And based on the charts I've seen, I'm at the very, very
edge of healthy even at that. I think it was at 30% that I would have been
classified as overweight? Sorry, I don't recall off the top of my head. But
that's pretty danged close, at any rate.

Lynne A, truly not trying to be difficult<G>
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