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Simon Murch & MMR

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  1. From: Hilary Butler http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler3.html

    Dear Sir,

    Simon Murch makes a salient point, which he would do well to review more
    carefully. He stated: ..."there has been no proper large scale study with
    controls, published in a respected, peer-reviewed journal." proving that
    the MMR causes autism. What a pity he had not read everything on this
    site, and in this article, also published today
    http://www.redflagsweekly.com/yazbak/2003_nov01_1.html

    Murch alleges that the "unprecedented volume of medical study on a
    worldwide basis" proves that the vaccine is safe. The problem with this
    carefully worded obfuscation, is that his first comment applies to his own
    argument as well. A "large volume of study" stating that the vaccine is
    safe, does not mean that those studies are "proper" or have valid
    "controls". Every single article published so far, supposedly proving his
    point, has had serious scientific flaws, which have been rebutted by
    reputable scientists, yet the publishing journals refuse to print the
    rebuttals. Any thinking person would want to know why that was. Except that
    unless you surf the net, you won't know that there is even any debate.

    Take another "study" in Pediatrics to be pre-released today "co-inciding"
    with Murch's statement. This too, will show that the vaccine is safe. The
    problem is that both the original VSD study from Feb. 2000, and the
    transcripts of the Simpsonwood meeting (obtained under the FOA) found that
    exposure to more than 62.5 micrograms of mercury in vaccines within the
    first three months of life could make children more than twice as likely to
    develop autism than children not exposed. This official information is
    available to the public on http://www.safeminds.org and
    www.factsformedia.com . But why has it never been in medical journals?

    Dr. Tom Verstraeten who was the lead investigator in the original study is
    one of the authors of the new article. Although he is now employed by
    vaccine-manufacturer giant GlaxoSmithKlein, the article fails to disclose
    the clear conflict of interest, as required by Pediatrics guidelines. Why
    is that?

    More and more, this looks to fully informed observers, very much like the
    "orchestrated litany of lies" that so disgusted Peter Mahon when wading
    through the offically released "smog" obscuring the reasons for the Erebus
    disaster. And most people now, as then, are so blinded by the "wood" from
    the vested interests, that they cannot see the actual trees. So the last
    question has to be: "When is the media going to do some real, in depth
    journalism on the issue, as opposed to automatic reportage?"

    Sincerely,

    Hilary Butler.
    Tuakau.
    NEW ZEALAND

  2. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    From: Hilary Butler http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler3.html

    Dear Sir,

    Simon Murch makes a salient point, which he would do well to review more
    carefully. He stated: ..."there has been no proper large scale study with
    controls, published in a respected, peer-reviewed journal." proving that
    the MMR causes autism. What a pity he had not read everything on this
    site, and in this article, also published today
    http://www.redflagsweekly.com/yazbak/2003_nov01_1.html

    Why? The article provides no new evidence that autism is caused by MMR. In
    addition, the evidence overwhelmingly shows that autism is not caused by
    MMR.

    Repeating the same lies over and over again (even if you are fooled by them)
    does not make them true.

    Jeff

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    "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    From: Hilary Butler http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler3.html

    Dear Sir,

    Simon Murch makes a salient point, which he would do well to review more
    carefully. He stated: ..."there has been no proper large scale study


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    controls, published in a respected, peer-reviewed journal." proving that
    the MMR causes autism. What a pity he had not read everything on this
    site, and in this article, also published today
    http://www.redflagsweekly.com/yazbak/2003_nov01_1.html

    Why? The article provides no new evidence that autism is caused by MMR. In
    addition, the evidence overwhelmingly shows that autism is not caused by
    MMR.

    Repeating the same lies over and over again (even if you are fooled by


    them)

    Quoted message said:

    does not make them true.

    Jeff


    And posting as if the item was from someone else whilst your fingerprints
    are there for all to see, just goes to show what a ill-informed, uneducated,
    self-panicer you are

    --
    Steve - a trekker in search of a new soapie
    ---
    According to the tests on Emode I'm Buddha, Yoda, Santa and The Chosen One.
    Does this make me a short, fat, jolly, green Eddie Murphy?

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