Re: Treating Autism

(Jan) said:

Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of Biomedical
Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases), http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm

A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment
results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far the
most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement and only
3% reporting the child became worse.

That would be 70% of the people who had tried chelation, not 70% of
21,000.

One trait of the parents of children with difficulties is hope. If
they spend a large amount of money on something, they really want to
see a positive result. To do otherwise is to admit that another hope
has been proved empty or to admit that they have been duped.

Charlatans like the ones who sell chelation and then report these
wonderful results rely on this sad fact for their marketing.

What sort of person would deliberately target the parents of autistic
children so that their money can be stolen by fraud?

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
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(Jan) said:

Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of

Biomedical

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Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases),

http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm

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A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment
results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far

the

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most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement and

only

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3% reporting the child became worse.

That would be 70% of the people who had tried chelation, not 70% of
21,000.

One trait of the parents of children with difficulties is hope. If
they spend a large amount of money on something, they really want to
see a positive result. To do otherwise is to admit that another hope
has been proved empty or to admit that they have been duped.

Charlatans like the ones who sell chelation and then report these
wonderful results rely on this sad fact for their marketing.

What sort of person would deliberately target the parents of autistic
children so that their money can be stolen by fraud?

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-

Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon

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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Chelation resolves a genetic defect? That is so absurd as to be laughable
and it would be except that the ignorant are being exploited.

r

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"Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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(Jan) said:

Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of

Biomedical

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Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases), http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm

A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment
results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far

the

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most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement and

only

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3% reporting the child became worse.

That would be 70% of the people who had tried chelation, not 70% of
21,000.

One trait of the parents of children with difficulties is hope. If
they spend a large amount of money on something, they really want to
see a positive result. To do otherwise is to admit that another hope
has been proved empty or to admit that they have been duped.

Charlatans like the ones who sell chelation and then report these
wonderful results rely on this sad fact for their marketing.

What sort of person would deliberately target the parents of autistic
children so that their money can be stolen by fraud?

I asked many "providers" over the lears, wrt both sons, whether they offered
a 'hope back guarantee'. Some admitted that they did not. Others never
called back. And some told me to my face that iwas not the sort of parent
who would see a benefit.

As Jan would say 'nuf said.

Peter Bowditch said:

(Jan) said:

Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of Biomedical
Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases), http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm

A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment
results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far the
most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement and only
3% reporting the child became worse.

That would be 70% of the people who had tried chelation, not 70% of
21,000.

One trait of the parents of children with difficulties is hope. If
they spend a large amount of money on something, they really want to
see a positive result. To do otherwise is to admit that another hope
has been proved empty or to admit that they have been duped.

Bingo. Of course Jan Drew will not even begin to fathom this
possibility.

After all she herself was duped into having her amalgams out and then
after they were removed she remains convinced that it was the mercury
causing the problem even though it is pretty obvious that psychologic
factors both caused her deterioration and subsequent improvement.

There is no other explanation that makes sense. Remember that one has
to explain why Jan suddenly deteriorated from March 4,1999 until June
18, 1999 after she was doing so well after a parasite cleanse. And
then one must explain her dramatic improvement within hours of having
some amalgams removed. Jan already admitted the improvement was due to
relief. She does not realize that the deterioration was due to the
opposite of relief, chronic worrying and obsessing about being
poisoned. Just like relief can make you feel better, obsessive
worrying can make you feel worse. And Jan adds a data point to the
conclusion that obsessive worrying can result in feeling that you are
dying.

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Charlatans like the ones who sell chelation and then report these
wonderful results rely on this sad fact for their marketing.

Indeed. And Jan Drew is one of the major marketers for amalgam removal
if you have unanswered health problems. It is because Jan Drew was
feeling hopeless about her situation and was vulnerable to any quack
who gave her any hope. There are countless vulnerable people out there
who may succumb to the same thing if they are not warned ahead of time
and even then when someone is hopeless they might do anything to get
well. And there are quacks like Hulda Clark who are sure to prey on
the vulnerability of these individuals. After all Hulda Clark, IMO, is
responsible for Jan Drew's deterioration in her health. If Jan never
read about amalgams and neuropathy she never would have deteriorated
so rapidly over several weeks IMO.

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What sort of person would deliberately target the parents of autistic
children so that their money can be stolen by fraud?

Hulda Clark?? A thief?? A person with no conscience?? All of the
above?

Aloha,

Rich

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of Biomedical
Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases), http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm

A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment
results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far the
most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement and only
3% reporting the child became worse.

So 3% actually became worse? Then obviously this is a dangerous
therapy and no one should do it. After all, the rate of adverse
events from vaccinations is MUCH smaller, and Jan seems to think
vaccines are bad. If something has a 3% rate of making the condition
worse, it should be discarded immediately.

Mark, MD

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of Biomedical
Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases), http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm

A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment
results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far the
most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement and only
3% reporting the child became worse.

So 3% actually became worse? Then obviously this is a dangerous
therapy and no one should do it. After all, the rate of adverse
events from vaccinations is MUCH smaller, and Jan seems to think
vaccines are bad. If something has a 3% rate of making the condition
worse, it should be discarded immediately.

Not only that but how do we know that the 70% who reported improvement
are not going to come down with more serious diseases sometime later
in life due to the treatment?? After all is that not the rationale for
many to be anti-vaccination?? But you rarely get folks to express such
concern because in their eyes alternative treatments "can't" be bad
for you. Sad that.

Aloha,

Rich

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Mark, MD

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Subject: Re: Treating Autism
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 11/3/2003 10:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(Jan) said:

Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of Biomedical
Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases), http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm

A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment
results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far the
most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement and

only

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3% reporting the child became worse.

That would be 70% of the people who had tried chelation, not 70% of
21,000.

No it would be exactly what it says:

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A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment

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results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far the
most effective treatment,

YOUR twist of what was repeorted is incorrect.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Treating Autism
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 11/4/2003 10:02 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

One can safely dismiss what Mark MD says.

His intent is to reply to anything I post comes from the fact I proved him to
be a liar.

His efforts to harass don't change the facts. His lies as the one told here
don't change the facts.

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message
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Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of

Biomedical

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Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases), http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm

A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment
results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far the
most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement and

only

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3% reporting the child became worse.

Jan

Being truthful means speaking the truth and also saying things that reflect
reality. Being truthful is one of the necessities of a human society, one of
the virtues of human behaviour, and brings great benefits, whilst lying is one
of the major elements of corruption in human society, and the cause of the
destruction of social structure and ties, one of the most evil features of bad
conduct, and causes widespread harm.

(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Treating Autism
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 11/4/2003 10:02 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

One can safely dismiss what Mark MD says.

His intent is to reply to anything I post comes from the fact I proved him to
be a liar.

Apparently Jan Drew thinks that if she accuses (falsely) someone of
being a liar that it will adversely effect their credibility. The
truth is Jan Drew regularly lies and bears false witness against
others. Jan Drew is a psychopathic liar who tries to pose as a good
Christian in order to bolster her credibility.

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His efforts to harass don't change the facts. His lies as the one told here
don't change the facts.

The mother of all self referential posts. Jan makes harassment and
lying about others a full time job. She is truly despicable.

Aloha,

Rich

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message
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Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of

Biomedical

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Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases), http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm

A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment
results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far the
most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement and

only

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3% reporting the child became worse.

Jan

Being truthful means speaking the truth and also saying things that reflect
reality. Being truthful is one of the necessities of a human society, one of
the virtues of human behaviour, and brings great benefits, whilst lying is one
of the major elements of corruption in human society, and the cause of the
destruction of social structure and ties, one of the most evil features of bad
conduct, and causes widespread harm.

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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His intent is to reply to anything I post comes from the fact I proved

him to

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be a liar.

His efforts to harass don't change the facts. His lies as the one told

here

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don't change the facts.

Jan

$ KaChing $4

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Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of

Biomedical

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Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases),

http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm

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A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding

treatment

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results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far

the

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most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement

and only

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3% reporting the child became worse.

So 3% actually became worse? Then obviously this is a dangerous
therapy and no one should do it. After all, the rate of adverse
events from vaccinations is MUCH smaller, and Jan seems to think
vaccines are bad. If something has a 3% rate of making the condition
worse, it should be discarded immediately.

Not only that but how do we know that the 70% who reported improvement
are not going to come down with more serious diseases sometime later
in life due to the treatment?? After all is that not the rationale for
many to be anti-vaccination?? But you rarely get folks to express such
concern because in their eyes alternative treatments "can't" be bad
for you. Sad that.

The anti-medicationistas claim that we do not know the long term effects of
methylphenidate, etc. and thus, the medicaion is evil and should be avoided.

Do we know the long term effects of chelation?

Peter Bowditch said:

Someone truly deserving of the title "health [censored]".

Wouldn't that be alt.health.[censored] ?

Just wondering,
WB
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Subject: Re: Treating Autism
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 11/4/2003 1:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Rich Andrews said:

Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in
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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

>Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of

Biomedical

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>Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases),

http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm

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>
>
>A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment
>results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far

the

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>most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement and

only

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>3% reporting the child became worse.

That would be 70% of the people who had tried chelation, not 70% of
21,000.

One trait of the parents of children with difficulties is hope. If
they spend a large amount of money on something, they really want to
see a positive result. To do otherwise is to admit that another hope
has been proved empty or to admit that they have been duped.

Charlatans like the ones who sell chelation and then report these
wonderful results rely on this sad fact for their marketing.

What sort of person would deliberately target the parents of autistic
children so that their money can be stolen by fraud?

--
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-

Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon

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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Chelation resolves a genetic defect? That is so absurd as to be laughable
and it would be except that the ignorant are being exploited.

Typical of Rich Andrews. Chelation resolves heavy metals.

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A vile and reprehensible thing named Jaquelyn McCandless wrote to
Business Week magazine to promote her chelation quackery and included
the following lie. I awarded it "Quote of the Year for 2003":

Your awards are sick. Please do prove it is a lie.

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When mercury-poisoned children are treated with oral chelation agents
to remove mercury (which we see pouring out in our urine laboratory
studies) and make eye contact or speak words for the first time
sometimes within days of starting treatment, it is clear what mercury
does to the brain"

Amen!

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"Pouring out". I wrote to her, asking if, like most prostitutes,

Not surprise, sounds typical of you.

Why do you hate children so much??

You have no clue as to what heavy metals can do.

Making eye contact for the first time, is wonderful.

<snip hate rant>

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"health [censored]"

Brainwashing and the fear of losing control does strange things to people.

You have just seen an example of the effects. We have also see how Peter didn't
reply as to the mistake he made, while telling us how easy it is to apologize.
We have seen he is NOT a man of his word.

Then he makes it even clearer as he speaks of someone who didn't answer.

Jan

Jan wrote:
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Making eye contact for the first time, is wonderful.

What the f**k do you know?

Perhaps for the parent, but IME it is *extremely* distressing for the
child. Perhaps chelation *is* all about the carer's needs and not those
of the child? Either way, eye contact is taught, and *not* something
that miraculously happens via chelation.

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Brainwashing and the fear of losing control does strange things to
people.

That's your excuse is it?

(Jan) said:

Typical of Rich Andrews.

Your awards are sick.

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Not surprise, sounds typical of you.

Why do you hate children so much??

You have no clue as to what heavy metals can do.

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<snip hate rant>

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Brainwashing and the fear of losing control does strange things to people.

You have just seen an example of the effects. We have also see how Peter didn't
reply as to the mistake he made, while telling us how easy it is to apologize.
We have seen he is NOT a man of his word.

Then he makes it even clearer as he speaks of someone who didn't answer.

Jan

Jan says it is always wrong to belittle. Indeed.

Aloha,

Rich

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(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Treating Autism
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 11/4/2003 1:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Rich Andrews said:

Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

> [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:
>
>>Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of
Biomedical
>>Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases),
http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm
>>
>>
>>A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment
>>results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far
the
>>most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement and
only
>>3% reporting the child became worse.
>
> That would be 70% of the people who had tried chelation, not 70% of
> 21,000.
>
> One trait of the parents of children with difficulties is hope. If
> they spend a large amount of money on something, they really want to
> see a positive result. To do otherwise is to admit that another hope
> has been proved empty or to admit that they have been duped.
>
> Charlatans like the ones who sell chelation and then report these
> wonderful results rely on this sad fact for their marketing.
>
> What sort of person would deliberately target the parents of autistic
> children so that their money can be stolen by fraud?
>
> --
> Peter Bowditch
> The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
> The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
> and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-
Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
> To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
>

Chelation resolves a genetic defect? That is so absurd as to be laughable
and it would be except that the ignorant are being exploited.

Typical of Rich Andrews. Chelation resolves heavy metals.

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A vile and reprehensible thing named Jaquelyn McCandless wrote to
Business Week magazine to promote her chelation quackery and included
the following lie. I awarded it "Quote of the Year for 2003":

Your awards are sick. Please do prove it is a lie.

I realise this will be very hard for you to understand, but my
contempt for this liar has nothing to do with whether mercury causes
autism, just as my contempt for the people who stole Roy Smith's life
and money had nothing to do with whether mercury causes ALS.

Have you ever seen one eighth of one thousandth of one gram of
mercury, Jan? Neither have I. Neither has a person who describes it as
"pouring" out of some child. She says that to try to convince
desperate parents that she is doing something for the children she is
abusing for profit. You cannot see that much mercury. It does not
"pour". Anyone saying that it does is lying.

I also realise that this woman will be incapable of wrong in your eyes
because she is not only an anti-vaccination liar but she chelates
mercury as well.

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When mercury-poisoned children are treated with oral chelation agents
to remove mercury (which we see pouring out in our urine laboratory
studies) and make eye contact or speak words for the first time
sometimes within days of starting treatment, it is clear what mercury
does to the brain"

Amen!

Does your church approve of you saying "amen" to lies?

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"Pouring out". I wrote to her, asking if, like most prostitutes,

Not surprise, sounds typical of you.

Why do you hate children so much??

So you think that standing up for children and trying to prevent
unscrupulous charlatans from injecting them with useless chemicals is
"hate"? The parents of autistic children have enough problems without
having to ward off vultures.

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You have no clue as to what heavy metals can do.

Yes I do.

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Making eye contact for the first time, is wonderful.

That's why she lies about it happening, so that more desperate parents
will give her money.

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<snip hate rant>

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"health [censored]"

Brainwashing and the fear of losing control does strange things to people.

You have just seen an example of the effects. We have also see how Peter didn't
reply as to the mistake he made, while telling us how easy it is to apologize.
We have seen he is NOT a man of his word.

Then he makes it even clearer as he speaks of someone who didn't answer.

Jan

--
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The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

The vulgar name calling and diiversion of the sad and dishonest posters, Peter
Bowditch and Andrew Kingoff, hasn't changed the facts.

What it has done is show the low and despicable character of both posters.

Jan

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Autism Canada Foundation, Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of Biomedical
Interventions, 2002,(21,500 cases), http://www.autismcanada.org/home.htm

A survey of over 21,000 parents of autistic children regarding treatment
results for autism/seizures found that metals detoxification was by far the
most effective treatment, with 70% reporting significant improvement and only
3% reporting the child became worse.