Ignorance is high

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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It is hard for me to believe the level of ignorance that exists here.
It is like finding people in America in this day and age who can't
read or write, it takes my breath away. These people say there is
no such thing as toxins, nutrition in food is perfectly fine, McDonalds is
nutritional food, there is no such thing as cleansing,
and the list goes on.

These individuals are dangerous to people who can't read or write.

1. There are toxins, thousands of them. There are even doctors called
toxicologists who study them. No one here has said, "there is no such thing
as toxins." What they have said to you is, "What toxins? How do you know
they are there? How do you know they have been removed when you have been
'detoxed'?" You cannot answer.

2. The nutritional content of food varies widely. Soft drinks contain
calories, but little nutrition, for example. Lean meats, oatmeal, brown
rice, and skim milk are examples of nutritionally dense foods. By making the
right choices a person can obtain excellent nutrition from foods. Your
theory that foods are no longer nutritious because farmers have depleted
their soils is [censored].

3. None of the medical professionals here would recommend an all Macdonald's
diet. But I would live longer eating only Macdonald's than you could live on
only ginseng.

4. None of the human body's internal organs require "cleansing." No
substance that you can take by mouth will "cleanse" your liver, gall
bladder, pancreas, or whatever. Some substances, including some used by
conventional medicine, will quickly and thoroughly empty the gut, but that
is not a healthy thing to do. (Conventional medicine uses these
preparations, as well as enemas, to prepare for certain diagnostic and
surgical procedures. But they would hardly recommend them for routine
"cleansing."😉

5. I read several books every week, sometimes more, and not all of them are
light fiction. How much do you read?

6. I write a whole lot better than you do, too, and I don't have to stoop to
stealing my material with the cut and paste feature.

So if all that 'takes your breath away,' you just hold your breath until you
turn purple, and GO AWAY SPAMMER!

--Rich

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Subject: Ignorance is high
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/8/2003 6:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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It is hard for me to believe the level of ignorance that exists here.

ha ha ha

you mean besides the stupidity you consistently demonstrate??

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These individuals are dangerous to people who can't read or write.

we know Davey...esp you,,,who can neither write without copying..usually with
no attributions,,,doesn't know squat about human physiology,,,anatomy (care to
review arteries and veins again??) and who consistently parrots back from MLM
101....

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These people say there is
no such thing as toxins,

ya mean besides the ones in YOUR ginseng...ah yes ..you said each batch is
tested for "efficacy"...thus those FDA lists are wrong....yeah right..

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nutrition in food is perfectly fine,

funny I have never used supplements..except of course the calcium and magnesium
since menopause...been meaning to ask you..what does MLM 101 have to say about
menopause?? does the ginseng take the place of the estrogen lost?? yeah I
thought you would say that

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there is no such thing as cleansing,

no...there is no such need as a NEED for cleansing is what we have said..

funny ya don't like anyone punching holes in your bs.....wonder why??

ha ha ha
hawki

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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It is hard for me to believe the level of ignorance that exists here.
It is like finding people in America in this day and age who can't
read or write, it takes my breath away. These people say there is
no such thing as toxins, nutrition in food is perfectly fine, McDonalds

is

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nutritional food, there is no such thing as cleansing,
and the list goes on.

These individuals are dangerous to people who can't read or write.

1. There are toxins, thousands of them. There are even doctors called
toxicologists who study them. No one here has said, "there is no such

thing

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as toxins." What they have said to you is, "What toxins? How do you know
they are there? How do you know they have been removed when you have been
'detoxed'?" You cannot answer.

2. The nutritional content of food varies widely. Soft drinks contain
calories, but little nutrition, for example. Lean meats, oatmeal, brown
rice, and skim milk are examples of nutritionally dense foods. By making

the

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right choices a person can obtain excellent nutrition from foods. Your
theory that foods are no longer nutritious because farmers have depleted
their soils is [censored].

3. None of the medical professionals here would recommend an all

Macdonald's

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diet. But I would live longer eating only Macdonald's than you could live

on

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only ginseng.

4. None of the human body's internal organs require "cleansing." No
substance that you can take by mouth will "cleanse" your liver, gall
bladder, pancreas, or whatever. Some substances, including some used by
conventional medicine, will quickly and thoroughly empty the gut, but that
is not a healthy thing to do. (Conventional medicine uses these
preparations, as well as enemas, to prepare for certain diagnostic and
surgical procedures. But they would hardly recommend them for routine
"cleansing."😉

5. I read several books every week, sometimes more, and not all of them

are

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light fiction. How much do you read?

6. I write a whole lot better than you do, too, and I don't have to stoop

to

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stealing my material with the cut and paste feature.

So if all that 'takes your breath away,' you just hold your breath until

you

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turn purple, and GO AWAY SPAMMER!

--Rich

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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It is hard for me to believe the level of ignorance that exists here.
It is like finding people in America in this day and age who can't
read or write, it takes my breath away. These people say there is
no such thing as toxins, nutrition in food is perfectly fine, McDonalds

is

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nutritional food, there is no such thing as cleansing,
and the list goes on.

These individuals are dangerous to people who can't read or write.

1. There are toxins, thousands of them. There are even doctors called
toxicologists who study them. No one here has said, "there is no such

thing

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as toxins." What they have said to you is, "What toxins? How do you know
they are there? How do you know they have been removed when you have been
'detoxed'?" You cannot answer.

I can't take your questions seriously. It is what we call BS.

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2. The nutritional content of food varies widely. Soft drinks contain
calories, but little nutrition, for example. Lean meats, oatmeal, brown
rice, and skim milk are examples of nutritionally dense foods. By making

the

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right choices a person can obtain excellent nutrition from foods. Your
theory that foods are no longer nutritious because farmers have depleted
their soils is [censored].

It is hard for me to believe your level of ignorance. It is like finding
people in
America in this day and age who can't read or write, it takes my breath
away.
Your assertion that food is perfectly fine, and McDonalds is nutritional
food
shows that you don't have a grasp on reality.

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3. None of the medical professionals here would recommend an all

Macdonald's

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diet. But I would live longer eating only Macdonald's than you could live

on

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only ginseng.

A deluded and ignorant statement. Not to be taken seriously.

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4. None of the human body's internal organs require "cleansing." No
substance that you can take by mouth will "cleanse" your liver, gall
bladder, pancreas, or whatever. Some substances, including some used by
conventional medicine, will quickly and thoroughly empty the gut, but that
is not a healthy thing to do. (Conventional medicine uses these
preparations, as well as enemas, to prepare for certain diagnostic and
surgical procedures. But they would hardly recommend them for routine
"cleansing."😉

It is hard for me to believe your level of ignorance. It is like finding
people in
America in this day and age who can't read or write, it takes my breath
away.

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5. I read several books every week, sometimes more, and not all of them

are

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light fiction. How much do you read?

It's obvious you aren't reading anything to alleviate your ignorance in the
area
of health.

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6. I write a whole lot better than you do, too, and I don't have to stoop

to

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stealing my material with the cut and paste feature.

You write in a state of ignorance, so your grammar and structure is of no
importance.

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So if all that 'takes your breath away,' you just hold your breath until

you

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turn purple, and GO AWAY SPAMMER!

--Rich

"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Subject: Ignorance is high
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/8/2003 6:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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It is hard for me to believe the level of ignorance that exists here.

ha ha ha

you mean besides the stupidity you consistently demonstrate??

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These individuals are dangerous to people who can't read or write.

we know Davey...esp you,,,who can neither write without copying..usually

with

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no attributions,,,doesn't know squat about human physiology,,,anatomy

(care to

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review arteries and veins again??) and who consistently parrots back from

MLM

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101....

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These people say there is
no such thing as toxins,

ya mean besides the ones in YOUR ginseng...ah yes ..you said each batch is
tested for "efficacy"...thus those FDA lists are wrong....yeah right..

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nutrition in food is perfectly fine,

funny I have never used supplements..except of course the calcium and

magnesium

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since menopause...been meaning to ask you..what does MLM 101 have to say

about

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menopause?? does the ginseng take the place of the estrogen lost?? yeah I
thought you would say that

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there is no such thing as cleansing,

no...there is no such need as a NEED for cleansing is what we have said..

funny ya don't like anyone punching holes in your bs.....wonder why??

ha ha ha
hawki

You are the epitome of ignorance. It is like finding people in America in
this day and age who can't read or write, you take my breath away. You
like to laugh because "ignorance is bliss".

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

It is hard for me to believe the level of ignorance that exists here.

I frequently am depressed by that very same fact, as I read more and
more of your posts.

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It is like finding people in America in this day and age who can't
read or write, it takes my breath away.

Indeed. Or finding people like you, who refuse to study anything about
science because they claim to exist on a "higher spiritual plane," all
the while proving that they exist on a very low intellectual plane.

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These people say there is
no such thing as toxins,

Wrong. No one has denied that toxins exist. We have simply pointed out
that YOU can't name the "toxins" that you claim are making us sick,
produce any scientific evidence that these "toxins" are responsible for
the diseases you claim they are responsible for, or, worst of all,
produce one whit of evidence to show that your Ginseng "cleanses" the
body of these "toxins."

I'm sure the distinction will escape you.

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nutrition in food is perfectly fine,

You mean nutrition in food *isn't* perfectly fine?

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McDonalds is
nutritional food,

Please produce a quote where someone has said this. You can't, can you?
That's because no one here has said it, unless I missed it.

Mischaracterising your opponents' statements doesn't win you points as
far as persuading people of your credibility, you know.

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there is no such thing as cleansing,

No one ever said that. They said that you haven't shown (1) that the
body even needs to be "cleansed" or (2) that your Ginseng does anything
to achieve this "cleansing."

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and the list goes on.

As does the list of your unsupported claims.

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These individuals are dangerous to people who can't read or write.

Why is that? If they can't read or write, they won't be browsing Usenet,
will they?

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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Dave said:

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It is hard for me to believe the level of ignorance that exists here.
It is like finding people in America in this day and age who can't
read or write, it takes my breath away. These people say there is
no such thing as toxins, nutrition in food is perfectly fine, McDonalds

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

nutritional food, there is no such thing as cleansing,
and the list goes on.

These individuals are dangerous to people who can't read or write.

1. There are toxins, thousands of them. There are even doctors called
toxicologists who study them. No one here has said, "there is no such

thing

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as toxins." What they have said to you is, "What toxins? How do you know
they are there? How do you know they have been removed when you have been
'detoxed'?" You cannot answer.

I can't take your questions seriously. It is what we call BS.

No it isn't. They are quite reasonable questions, questions that you
can't or won't answer.

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2. The nutritional content of food varies widely. Soft drinks contain
calories, but little nutrition, for example. Lean meats, oatmeal, brown
rice, and skim milk are examples of nutritionally dense foods. By making

the

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right choices a person can obtain excellent nutrition from foods. Your
theory that foods are no longer nutritious because farmers have depleted
their soils is [censored].

It is hard for me to believe your level of ignorance. It is like
finding people in America in this day and age who can't read or
write, it takes my breath away. Your assertion that food is perfectly
fine

Food IS fine to live on. If you eat a balanced diet, you will get all
the nutrients you need to be healthy. Supplements are unnecessary in
this case.

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and McDonalds is nutritional food shows that you don't have a
grasp on reality.

He didn't say McDonald's is nutritional food, you idiot. He said you
could live longer on it than you could eating nothing but Ginseng. Stop
lying.

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3. None of the medical professionals here would recommend an all

Macdonald's

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diet. But I would live longer eating only Macdonald's than you could live

on

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only ginseng.

A deluded and ignorant statement. Not to be taken seriously.

Nope. Quite accurate. You can't live eating only Ginseng. You could live
a long time eating only McDonalds (although your body would pay a price
because of all the fat). Does Ginseng provide the protein,
carbohydrates, and all the vitamines and trace minerals you need? I
don't think so.

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4. None of the human body's internal organs require "cleansing." No
substance that you can take by mouth will "cleanse" your liver, gall
bladder, pancreas, or whatever. Some substances, including some used by
conventional medicine, will quickly and thoroughly empty the gut, but that
is not a healthy thing to do. (Conventional medicine uses these
preparations, as well as enemas, to prepare for certain diagnostic and
surgical procedures. But they would hardly recommend them for routine
"cleansing."😉

It is hard for me to believe your level of ignorance. It is like finding
people in
America in this day and age who can't read or write, it takes my breath
away.

LOL! Looks like Rich as gotten to you. You're repeating the same line
over and over again, which you always do when you are cornered and can't
answer an argument. ;-)

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5. I read several books every week, sometimes more, and not all of them

are

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light fiction. How much do you read?

It's obvious you aren't reading anything to alleviate your ignorance in the
area
of health.

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6. I write a whole lot better than you do, too, and I don't have to stoop

to

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stealing my material with the cut and paste feature.

You write in a state of ignorance, so your grammar and structure is of no
importance.

Says the man who, while claiming to exist on a "higher spiritual plane"
that we can't understand, routinely calls those who disagree with him
"ignorant," "mean-spirited," etc. That hardly sounds like the behavior
of a man on a "higher spiritual plane" to me.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Dave said:

"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Subject: Ignorance is high
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/8/2003 6:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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It is hard for me to believe the level of ignorance that exists here.

ha ha ha

you mean besides the stupidity you consistently demonstrate??

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These individuals are dangerous to people who can't read or write.

we know Davey...esp you,,,who can neither write without copying..usually

with

Quoted message said:

no attributions,,,doesn't know squat about human physiology,,,anatomy

(care to

Quoted message said:

review arteries and veins again??) and who consistently parrots back from

MLM

Quoted message said:

101....

Quoted message said:

These people say there is
no such thing as toxins,

ya mean besides the ones in YOUR ginseng...ah yes ..you said each batch is
tested for "efficacy"...thus those FDA lists are wrong....yeah right..

Quoted message said:

nutrition in food is perfectly fine,

funny I have never used supplements..except of course the calcium and

magnesium

Quoted message said:

since menopause...been meaning to ask you..what does MLM 101 have to say

about

Quoted message said:

menopause?? does the ginseng take the place of the estrogen lost?? yeah I
thought you would say that

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there is no such thing as cleansing,

no...there is no such need as a NEED for cleansing is what we have said..

funny ya don't like anyone punching holes in your bs.....wonder why??

ha ha ha
hawki

You are the epitome of ignorance. It is like finding people in America in
this day and age who can't read or write, you take my breath away. You
like to laugh because "ignorance is bliss".

Uh-oh. Someone bump the record player, it looks as though this record is
skipping. (If he repeats himself any faster, we might have to say this
CD is skipping.)

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Subject: Re: Ignorance is high
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/8/2003 7:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It is hard for me to believe the level of ignorance that exists here.
It is like finding people in America in this day and age who can't
read or write, it takes my breath away. These people say there is
no such thing as toxins, nutrition in food is perfectly fine, McDonalds

is

Quoted message said:

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nutritional food, there is no such thing as cleansing,
and the list goes on.

These individuals are dangerous to people who can't read or write.

1. There are toxins, thousands of them. There are even doctors called
toxicologists who study them. No one here has said, "there is no such

thing

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as toxins." What they have said to you is, "What toxins?

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/factsheets/trifs.html

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How do you know they are there?

Muscle testing.

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How do you know they have been removed when you have been 'detoxed'?"

The same way you know when a headache goes away, as in you feel better.

KISS.

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You cannot answer.

You are wrong as usual.

<snip>

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Your

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theory that foods are no longer nutritious because farmers have depleted
their soils is [censored].

*I believe that God does not exist. And I believe that all alternative medicine
is quackery. And I believe that these are both reasonable assumptions until I
am proven wrong.*

That's [censored].

Coming from a totally dishonest hypocrite who says.

I don't give a damn if Peter lied to you, this newsgroup, his mother, or

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the pope.

Rich Shewmaker

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4. None of the human body's internal organs require "cleansing."

ZZzz.

How very little you know about poisoning.

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No

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substance that you can take by mouth will "cleanse" your liver, gall
bladder, pancreas, or whatever.

Organized meidicne LIES.

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6. I write a whole lot better than you do,

Try reading something about modesty.

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So if all that 'takes your breath away,' you just hold your breath until
you

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turn purple

Debunker compassion.

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and GO AWAY SPAMMER!

With a control problem.

Jan

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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I can't take your questions seriously. It is what we call BS.

It is hard for me to believe your level of ignorance. It is like finding
people in
America in this day and age who can't read or write, it takes my breath
away.
Your assertion that food is perfectly fine, and McDonalds is nutritional
food
shows that you don't have a grasp on reality.

A deluded and ignorant statement. Not to be taken seriously.

It is hard for me to believe your level of ignorance. It is like finding
people in
America in this day and age who can't read or write, it takes my breath
away.

It's obvious you aren't reading anything to alleviate your ignorance in

the

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area
of health.

You write in a state of ignorance, so your grammar and structure is of no
importance.

So you cannot answer any of my comments. You can only call me ignorant and
repeat yourself. You have not shown even one of my statements to be
incorrect. You are a fool of the worst sort. Now go away, and come back only
when you are capable of carrying on an intelligent conversation and are
willing to abide by the charter of this newsgroup.

--Rich

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> It is hard for me to believe the level of ignorance that exists

here.

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> It is like finding people in America in this day and age who can't
> read or write, it takes my breath away. These people say there is
> no such thing as toxins, nutrition in food is perfectly fine,

McDonalds

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is

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> nutritional food, there is no such thing as cleansing,
> and the list goes on.
>
> These individuals are dangerous to people who can't read or write.
>
>
>

1. There are toxins, thousands of them. There are even doctors called
toxicologists who study them. No one here has said, "there is no such

thing

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as toxins." What they have said to you is, "What toxins? How do you

know

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they are there? How do you know they have been removed when you have

been

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'detoxed'?" You cannot answer.

I can't take your questions seriously. It is what we call BS.

No it isn't. They are quite reasonable questions, questions that you
can't or won't answer.

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2. The nutritional content of food varies widely. Soft drinks contain
calories, but little nutrition, for example. Lean meats, oatmeal,

brown

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rice, and skim milk are examples of nutritionally dense foods. By

making

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the

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right choices a person can obtain excellent nutrition from foods. Your
theory that foods are no longer nutritious because farmers have

depleted

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their soils is [censored].

It is hard for me to believe your level of ignorance. It is like
finding people in America in this day and age who can't read or
write, it takes my breath away. Your assertion that food is perfectly
fine

Food IS fine to live on. If you eat a balanced diet, you will get all
the nutrients you need to be healthy. Supplements are unnecessary in
this case.

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and McDonalds is nutritional food shows that you don't have a
grasp on reality.

He didn't say McDonald's is nutritional food, you idiot. He said you
could live longer on it than you could eating nothing but Ginseng. Stop
lying.

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3. None of the medical professionals here would recommend an all

Macdonald's

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diet. But I would live longer eating only Macdonald's than you could

live

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on

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only ginseng.

A deluded and ignorant statement. Not to be taken seriously.

Nope. Quite accurate. You can't live eating only Ginseng. You could live
a long time eating only McDonalds (although your body would pay a price
because of all the fat). Does Ginseng provide the protein,
carbohydrates, and all the vitamines and trace minerals you need? I
don't think so.

If you had read any of my posts on the subject you would know better than to
ask that question. Hence my assertion that you CHOOSE to maintain living
in a state of ignorance while attempting to portray yourself as a ?????

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4. None of the human body's internal organs require "cleansing." No
substance that you can take by mouth will "cleanse" your liver, gall
bladder, pancreas, or whatever. Some substances, including some used

by

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conventional medicine, will quickly and thoroughly empty the gut, but

that

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is not a healthy thing to do. (Conventional medicine uses these
preparations, as well as enemas, to prepare for certain diagnostic and
surgical procedures. But they would hardly recommend them for routine
"cleansing."😉

It is hard for me to believe your level of ignorance. It is like finding
people in
America in this day and age who can't read or write, it takes my breath
away.

LOL! Looks like Rich as gotten to you. You're repeating the same line
over and over again, which you always do when you are cornered and can't
answer an argument. ;-)

It

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5. I read several books every week, sometimes more, and not all of

them

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are

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light fiction. How much do you read?

It's obvious you aren't reading anything to alleviate your ignorance in

the

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6. I write a whole lot better than you do, too, and I don't have to

stoop

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to

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stealing my material with the cut and paste feature.

You write in a state of ignorance, so your grammar and structure is of

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importance.

Says the man who, while claiming to exist on a "higher spiritual plane"
that we can't understand, routinely calls those who disagree with him
"ignorant," "mean-spirited," etc. That hardly sounds like the behavior
of a man on a "higher spiritual plane" to me.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

It is hard for me to believe the level of ignorance that exists here.

The level of ignorance has risen sharply since you arrived. It would
drop if you left, as you once claimed you were going to do. (As
usual, you were lying.)

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It is like finding people in America in this day and age who can't
read or write, it takes my breath away.

It shouldn't. Illiteracy rates are higher than you might think. I
did a stint teaching adults to read and write some years ago and it's
surprisingly common.

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These people say there is no such thing as toxins,

No they don't.

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nutrition in food is perfectly fine, McDonalds is
nutritional food, there is no such thing as cleansing,

Some foods are better than others. "Cleansing" is a scam.

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and the list goes on.

These individuals are dangerous to people who can't read or write.

No they aren't -- people who can't read won't be reading this
newsgroup, you moron.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I can't take your questions seriously. It is what we call BS.

It is hard for me to believe your level of ignorance. It is like finding
people in
America in this day and age who can't read or write, it takes my breath
away.
Your assertion that food is perfectly fine, and McDonalds is nutritional
food
shows that you don't have a grasp on reality.

A deluded and ignorant statement. Not to be taken seriously.

It is hard for me to believe your level of ignorance. It is like finding
people in
America in this day and age who can't read or write, it takes my breath
away.

It's obvious you aren't reading anything to alleviate your ignorance in

the

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area
of health.

You write in a state of ignorance, so your grammar and structure is of

no

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importance.

So you cannot answer any of my comments. You can only call me ignorant and
repeat yourself. You have not shown even one of my statements to be
incorrect. You are a fool of the worst sort. Now go away, and come back

only

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when you are capable of carrying on an intelligent conversation and are
willing to abide by the charter of this newsgroup.

ALL of your statements are so incorrect that they insult the intelligence of
everyone
reading them.

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Subject: Re: Ignorance is high
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/8/2003 7:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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1. There are toxins, thousands of them. There are even doctors called
toxicologists who study them. No one here has said, "there is no such

thing

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as toxins." What they have said to you is, "What toxins?

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/factsheets/trifs.html

The above link points to an EPA inventory of environmental toxins. What's
your point, Jan? Are you trying to imply that our bodies contain ALL the
toxins on this list?

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How do you know they are there?

Muscle testing.

What muscle test would tell me if I have toxic levels of, say,
hexachlorobenzene? Would it specify that toxin, and tell me how much of the
toxin is present?

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How do you know they have been removed when you have been 'detoxed'?"

The same way you know when a headache goes away, as in you feel better.

KISS.

And how would I know that the toxin was not removed by my body's natural
processes, as most toxins are? What is simple about determining if the
"detox" nostrum is effective or worthless?

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You cannot answer.

Dave can't. For that matter, you aren't producing very cogent answers,
either.

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You are wrong as usual.

Please point out which of my statements is incorrect, and why.

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theory that foods are no longer nutritious because farmers have

depleted

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their soils is [censored].

*I believe that God does not exist. And I believe that all alternative

medicine

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is quackery. And I believe that these are both reasonable assumptions

until I

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am proven wrong.*

That's [censored].

In what way? Do you want to argue philosophy? Besides, your repost of my
credo is diversion.

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Coming from a totally dishonest hypocrite who says.

I don't give a damn if Peter lied to you, this newsgroup, his mother, or

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the pope.

Rich Shewmaker

That's diversion. Stick to the subject.

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4. None of the human body's internal organs require "cleansing."

ZZzz.

How very little you know about poisoning.

I've never taken a formal course in toxicology, but I've read a fair amount
about it. Also I've lavaged hundreds of stomachs, and administered gallons
of charcoal, and consulted poison centers, etc., so I'll warrant I know a
lot more about poisoning than you do.

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substance that you can take by mouth will "cleanse" your liver, gall
bladder, pancreas, or whatever.

Organized meidicne LIES.

No, it's the truth.

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6. I write a whole lot better than you do,

Try reading something about modesty.

There is nothing immodest about defending myself against the accusation that
I cannot read and write. Besides, claiming to write better than a
semi-literate like Dave is a pretty modest boast.

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So if all that 'takes your breath away,' you just hold your breath until
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turn purple

Debunker compassion.

I'm proud to be a debunker, and I have little compassion for spammers like
Dave. What is taking his breath away is his forty years of smoking, not his
perception of the "ignorance" of those who poke holes in his assinine
sales-hype claims for ginseng.

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and GO AWAY SPAMMER!

With a control problem.

The problem is spam. I have complained again to Dave's ISP, and encourage
others to do likewise.

--Rich

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Subject: Re: Ignorance is high
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/8/2003 9:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I can't take your questions seriously. It is what we call BS.

It is hard for me to believe your level of ignorance. It is like finding
people in
America in this day and age who can't read or write, it takes my breath
away.
Your assertion that food is perfectly fine, and McDonalds is nutritional
food
shows that you don't have a grasp on reality.

A deluded and ignorant statement. Not to be taken seriously.

It is hard for me to believe your level of ignorance. It is like finding
people in
America in this day and age who can't read or write, it takes my breath
away.

It's obvious you aren't reading anything to alleviate your ignorance in

the

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area
of health.

You write in a state of ignorance, so your grammar and structure is of

no

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importance.

So you cannot answer any of my comments. You can only call me ignorant and
repeat yourself. You have not shown even one of my statements to be
incorrect. You are a fool of the worst sort. Now go away, and come back

only

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when you are capable of carrying on an intelligent conversation and are
willing to abide by the charter of this newsgroup.

Indeedy.

However, Rich won't give a dman if his buddies do no abide by it.

ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/misc/misc.health.alternative

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Interesting points:

Alternative approaches to health care are clearly of interest to many

readers,

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but there is currently no group in which general non-technical discussions
would be appropriate. Discussions do occur in "sci.med",but are generally
counter to that newsgroup's purpose, as readers there have

noted."sci.skeptic" is an appropriate newsgroup for scientific investigation of

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alternative therapies, but not for general discussion.

***Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either side)

will be discouraged*****

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but constructive criticisms and argumentswill be encouraged, with the caveat
that "misc.health.alternative" is to be a generally **non-technical**

discussion

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group.

Scientific proof or verificability of facts will *not* be required
in"misc.health.alternative",

A main hierarchy was chosen for best propagation; "misc" is the best main
hierarchy for a general group about health.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Ignorance is high
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/8/2003 9:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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when you are capable of carrying on an intelligent conversation and are
willing to abide by the charter of this newsgroup.

Indeedy.

However, Rich won't give a dman if his buddies do no abide by it.

ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/misc/misc.health.alternative

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Interesting points:

Alternative approaches to health care are clearly of interest to many

readers,

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but there is currently no group in which general non-technical

discussions

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would be appropriate. Discussions do occur in "sci.med",but are

generally

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counter to that newsgroup's purpose, as readers there have

noted."sci.skeptic" is an appropriate newsgroup for scientific

investigation of

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alternative therapies, but not for general discussion.

***Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either

side)

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will be discouraged*****

Er, Jan, calling people "LIAR" is certainly abusive behavior.

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but constructive criticisms and argumentswill be encouraged, with the

caveat

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that "misc.health.alternative" is to be a generally **non-technical**

discussion

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group.

"...but technical discussions would be welcome in 'misc.health.alternative',
as well."

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Scientific proof or verificability of facts will *not* be required
in"misc.health.alternative",

"...although posters should keep their credibility in mind. Even though
verificability will not be required, posters are urged to post only what
they believe to be true, and to post or be prepared to post citations,
references, sources, etc."

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A main hierarchy was chosen for best propagation; "misc" is the best

main

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hierarchy for a general group about health.

Jan

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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A deluded and ignorant statement. Not to be taken seriously.

Nope. Quite accurate. You can't live eating only Ginseng. You could live
a long time eating only McDonalds (although your body would pay a price
because of all the fat). Does Ginseng provide the protein,
carbohydrates, and all the vitamines and trace minerals you need? I
don't think so.

If you had read any of my posts on the subject you would know better than to
ask that question. Hence my assertion that you CHOOSE to maintain living
in a state of ignorance while attempting to portray yourself as a ?????

Nope, unfortunately, I've read all too many of your inane posts on the
subject. I was merely pointing out that you were at best intentionally
distorting and at worst outright lying when you claimed anyone had ever
said here that McDonald's food was highly nutritious.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Subject: Re: Ignorance is high
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/8/2003 9:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> when you are capable of carrying on an intelligent conversation and are
> willing to abide by the charter of this newsgroup.

Indeedy.

However, Rich won't give a dman if his buddies do no abide by it.

ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/misc/misc.health.alternative

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Interesting points:

Alternative approaches to health care are clearly of interest to many

readers,

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but there is currently no group in which general non-technical

discussions

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would be appropriate. Discussions do occur in "sci.med",but are

generally

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counter to that newsgroup's purpose, as readers there have

noted."sci.skeptic" is an appropriate newsgroup for scientific

investigation of

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alternative therapies, but not for general discussion.

***Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either

side)

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will be discouraged*****

Er, Jan, calling people "LIAR" is certainly abusive behavior.

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but constructive criticisms and argumentswill be encouraged, with the

caveat

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that "misc.health.alternative" is to be a generally **non-technical**

discussion

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group.

"...but technical discussions would be welcome in 'misc.health.alternative',
as well."

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Scientific proof or verificability of facts will *not* be required
in"misc.health.alternative",

"...although posters should keep their credibility in mind. Even though
verificability will not be required, posters are urged to post only what
they believe to be true, and to post or be prepared to post citations,
references, sources, etc."

You don't mean to imply that Jan has engeged in selective snipping, do
you? Jan "The Paragon of Veracity" Drew?

Mark, MD