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  1. Here is some understandig about Emphysema and COPD

    In patients with emphysema, normal lung tissue is often replaced by large
    "bullae," large balloon-like structures that press on normal lung tissue and
    reduce the person's lung capacity even further. If the lungs are full of
    bullae, the lungs become too large for the chest cavity and cannot expand
    properly. Bullae can be surgically removed in a procedure called bullectomy
    if they are large or localized, or the lungs can be surgically reduced in
    size to make them fit better in the chest cavity. Some patients have noted
    significant improvement in symptoms after lung volume reduction surgery, but
    the procedure carries high risks, including death. The National Emphysema
    Treatment Trial is a five-year study currently underway to evaluate the
    effectiveness of lung volume reduction surgery. So far, results seem to
    indicate that there is a higher risk of mortality for emphysema patients
    with a low forced expiratory volume in one second (FEV1) and either
    homogeneous emphysema--evenly distributed bullae all over the lungs--or a
    very low carbon monoxide diffusing capacity. "Low," in this case, means
    under 20% of the normal capacity. Patients with this profile should probably
    consider medical treatment and pulmonary rehabilitation instead of surgery.

    Emphysema is a pulmonary deficiency usually caused by years of free-radical
    damage that results in degenerative changes in the air sacs of the lung.
    Free radicals and changes of antioxidant enzymes are also thought to play a
    role in chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

    Pulmonary oxygen radical injury and the protective role of antioxidant
    enzymes in COPD were measured in one study. The results suggest that the
    increased free-radical toxicity and decreased glutathione peroxidase and
    catalase activities in red blood cells are involved in chronic obstructive
    pulmonary disease (Misso et al. 1996; Tekin et al. 2000).

    In another study, an imbalance between oxidants and antioxidants in smokers
    and in patients with airway diseases such as asthma was proposed.
    Antioxidants were measured in a group of chronic obstructive pulmonary
    disease patients. The results showed that smoking, acute COPD attacks, and
    asthma are associated with a marked oxidant/antioxidant imbalance in the
    blood, associated with evidence of increased oxidative stress (Rahman et al.
    1996).

    In more recent research on the effects of smoking, it was concluded that
    antioxidants that have good bioavailability or molecules that have
    antioxidant enzyme activity are therapies that not only protect against the
    direct injurious effects of oxidants, but also may fundamentally alter the
    inflammatory events that have a central role in the pathogenesis of COPD
    (MacNee 2001).

    The suggested daily dose of antioxidant nutrients for patients with these
    lung diseases is 3 tablets 3 times a day of Life Extension Mix and 1 capsule
    a day of Life Extension Booster. In order to help break up the thick mucus,
    600 mg of N-acetyl-cysteine should be taken 3 times a day, along with 2
    grams of vitamin C.

    If the combination of these nutrients does not sufficiently break up the
    mucus, Pulmozyme, a drug used to treat cystic fibrosis, can be prescribed by
    your doctor. Pulmozyme is the most effective mucus-eradicating drug
    available. However, it is approved only for cystic fibrosis and, as a
    result, physicians often fail to prescribe it for acute mucus problems.

    To restore energy production to damaged cells in the lungs and relax
    bronchial airways, the following nutrients are suggested:

    Coenzyme Q10: assists in cellular respiration and acts as an antioxidant
    Alpha-lipoic acid: functions as a cofactor in energy production, acts as a
    free radical scavenger, and helps regenerate the effects of other
    antioxidants
    Acetyl-L-carnitine: transports lipids into the mitochondria to be used in
    the production of cellular energy
    NADH: a reduced form of vitamin B3 essential for energy production
    Taurine: may improve breathlessness and increase cardiac blood flow
    Magnesium: is a cofactor in over 300 enzymatic reactions in the body and
    relaxes bronchial muscles
    Potassium: weakness and fatigue are symptoms of deficiency. Consult your
    physician for blood testing.

    Vitamin A Status Is Important
    Epidemiologic studies have shown the severity of COPD correlates with low
    vitamin A intake. Other reports indicate that serum levels of vitamin A
    (retinol) are below normal in patients with COPD. In emphysema, the alveoli
    and bronchiole tubes of the lungs are destroyed, and the lungs become
    enlarged and less efficient. Although treatments exist, such as antibiotics
    and inhalers, none of these are curative. The vitamin A derivatives work by
    actually helping the lung regrow in areas destroyed by the disease.
    Retinoids are able to do this by turning on the genes that signal the growth
    of lung tissue. This process was originally observed by studying fetuses,
    whose lungs have high concentrations of certain retinoids.

    The relationship between vitamin A status and COPD was further explored in a
    two-part study by researchers at the Faculty of Medicine of Botucatu UNESP
    in Sao Paulo, Brazil (Pavia et al. 1996). In the first part of the study, 36
    men, age 43-74 years, were divided into five groups: healthy nonsmokers,
    healthy smokers, smokers with mild COPD, former smokers with moderate-severe
    COPD, and former smokers with severe, complicated COPD. All subjects
    underwent pulmonary function testing, and dietary intake of vitamin A was
    estimated from a food-frequency questionnaire. In addition, serum levels of
    retinol and other vitamin A-related compounds were determined from fasting
    blood samples. The results of this part of the study showed that serum
    levels of vitamin A were significantly lower in the two groups with moderate
    or severe COPD, although no group exhibited overt vitamin A deficiency.

    In the second part of the study, 12 male smokers (45-61 years) with mild
    COPD were randomly assigned to receive either a placebo or a vitamin A
    supplement for 30 days. A comparison of pulmonary function tests performed
    at baseline and at the end of the study showed a significant improvement in
    forced expiratory volume in the vitamin A-supplemented group but only modest
    improvement in the group receiving the placebo. Interestingly, pulmonary
    function tests performed 30 days after the end of vitamin A supplementation
    were similar to baseline values (Paiva et al. 1996).

    These results support earlier findings of an association between low vitamin
    A status and COPD. In addition, Pavia et al. (1996) conclude that the
    improvement in pulmonary function observed following vitamin A
    supplementation suggests "the existence of a local vitamin A deficiency" in
    persons with COPD. Those with COPD may consider supplementation with
    25,000-50,000 IU of vitamin A a day.

    A pilot study performed at the UCLA School of Medicine, March 2002, using a
    vitamin A derivative, all-trans-retinoic acid (ATRA), indicated that ATRA
    was shown to reverse anatomic and physiologic signs of emphysema in a rat
    model. Researchers conclude that ATRA is well tolerated in patients with
    emphysema and trials evaluating higher doses, longer treatment, or different
    dosing schedules are feasible (Mao et al. 2002). ATRA is sold under the
    tradename Vesanoid.

    The benefit of vitamin A derivatives--ATRA and 13 cis-retinoic acid--against
    emphysema is the subject of a study funded by the National Heart, Lung, and
    Blood Institute known as the FORTE study (Feasibility of Retinoid Therapy
    for Emphysema). Research will be conducted at five universities throughout
    the United States. Adult patients with mild to moderate emphysema will
    randomly receive 1 or 2 strengths of ATRA, 13 cis-retinoic acid, or a
    placebo for 6 months. The placebo group will then receive the retinoids and
    the retinoid group will receive the placebo for the remaining 3 months of
    the study. The study seeks to confirm the benefits of retinoids against the
    disease observed in previous human and animal studies. The trade name for
    13-cis-retinoic acid is Accutane. For more information or status of this
    study, please visit the website www.clinicaltrials. gov, and search for the
    key word: FORTE.

    Relieving Breathlessness
    Most emphysema treatment is based on the concept that it can be treated but
    not cured. The administration to emphysema sufferers of theophylline and
    ipratropium bromide in combination has produced improvements in maximal
    oxygen consumption and maximal minute ventilation, and it has reduced
    several measures of breathlessness. British patients who had not responded
    to oral administration of corticosteroid (prednisone) were given budesonide
    (by inhalation). Researchers concluded that inhaled corticosteroids were of
    no benefit to patients with advanced COPD (Bourbeau et al. 1998). Inhaled
    corticosteroids, while less dangerous than oral steroids, can still increase
    the risk of high blood pressure and diabetes. Other undesirable side effects
    reported by patients include edema, cataract development, bone brittleness,
    and premature skin aging sometimes known as "onion skin" (Covar et al. 2000;
    Jick et al. 2001).

    Researchers in New Zealand found that nebulized saline solution relieved
    breathlessness in patients at rest with COPD (Poole et al. 1998). Other
    conventional therapies include breathing techniques, aromatherapy, and
    oxygen therapy. Recent developments in lung reduction are very promising.
    Such surgery is called volume reduction surgery or lung shaving (Matsuzawa
    et al. 1998; Meyers et al. 1998; Norman et al. 1998). Other experimental
    procedures showing some promise are the surgical removal of damaged alveoli,
    which reduces lung size, and laser removal of damaged lung tissue. Laser
    surgery has not been as effective as volume reduction therapy (Sabanathan et
    al. 1998). Lung transplantation becomes more successful with each passing
    year, though there is a real shortage of donors (Geertsma et al. 1998).

    Nondrug Therapies
    An old folk remedy that works well to loosen the phlegm in the lungs of
    those with damaged cilia is to inhale steam. Use of a steam or a hot mist
    vaporizer in a room can also be very helpful. (Avoid the use of cold water
    humidifiers as they often introduce mold, mildew, and harmful bacteria into
    the air, actually increasing the risk of lung infection.) Using a steam
    vaporizer in a small, enclosed space such as a bathroom can raise the level
    of humidity significantly and can be very useful. Adequate liquid intake
    enhances thinning and removal of lung secretions.

    Postural drainage is a technique in which the lung segment to be drained is
    placed in the uppermost position relative to the rest of the body. There is
    also a very useful "clapping" technique in which someone "claps" the back or
    chest of the patient to loosen the built-up phlegm. Also known as
    "percussion," the technique uses cupped hands clapping the chest wall in
    rapid succession, producing a series of hollow sounds. Both percussion and
    chest vibration (using a vibrator) can be used in combination with postural
    drainage as appropriate. Pillows are used to support the patient in the
    designated position. (Consult your medical caregiver for detailed
    instructions on the use of these techniques.)

    Exercise and Nutrition
    Though exercise before the onset of emphysema can increase lung capacity, it
    has not been demonstrated to have that effect in those suffering from the
    disease. Regular aerobic exercise does, however, help the patient to use
    available oxygen more efficiently and also strengthens the heart.

    Proper nutrition includes the increase of unprocessed foods such as fruits
    and vegetables and high-quality protein and the decrease of fried foods,
    alcohol, refined carbohydrates, and processed foods. Also, it is wise to
    eliminate the use of all mucous producing foods like dairy and
    gluten-containing grains. If sound nutrition is important in preventing
    emphysema, it is crucial once the disease has been diagnosed. Malnutrition
    may increase the risk of respiratory failure in patients with COPD. French
    scientists found that the primary goal of a successful nutritional program
    for those with COPD should be to improve diaphragm strength by correcting
    mineral and electrolyte disturbances at the muscular level.

    Pulmonary rehabilitation in emphysema patients has resulted in reduced
    hospitalization, improved well-being and exercise tolerance, and reduced
    shortness of breath. Such programs usually require physician referral, a
    cardiopulmonary stress test, and evaluation by an RRT. Substantial benefits
    are reported for those suffering from emphysema, asthma, bronchiectasis,
    chronic bronchitis, and sarcoidosis. It is also recommended for those
    planning to undergo lung reduction therapy as well as for those who have
    just completed that surgery. Residential programs last about 8 weeks and
    include smoking cessation and education on breathing exercises, nutrition,
    energy conservation, stress reduction, and the management of medication.
    Exercise includes such activities as walking on a treadmill, walking,
    stationary bicycling, stretching, and working out with light weights.
    Exercise programs are always tailored to individual needs. Regular exercise
    has been proven to improve the condition of the cardiopulmonary system.

    Regenerating Alveoli
    Scientists funded by the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute have
    demonstrated a remarkable regeneration of alveoli, which returned to their
    normal size and number. In research using rats at the Georgetown University
    School of Medicine, treatment with ATRA, a metabolite of vitamin A, resulted
    in nonsurgical reversal of damage caused by emphysema the first time
    (Massaro et al. 1996). Not only was the number of alveoli increased in
    normal rats, but alveoli in rats with emphysema were repaired, and lung
    elasticity recoil was significantly improved (DeLuca et al. 1997). Though
    these studies have so far been conducted only in animals, results are very
    promising, leading a number of physicians to put their emphysema patients on
    retinoic acid therapy.

    As human research studies are reported, many caregivers are confident that
    this remarkable therapy will be more widely adopted. In fact, the FDA has
    now approved the drug ATRA for emphysema therapy. Vesanoid--a trade name for
    ATRA--must be prescribed by a physician. If the high cost of retinoic acid
    makes its cost prohibitive, consider taking 4 drops a day (100,000 IU) of
    emulsified liquid vitamin A (refer to vitamin A precautions in Appendix A).

    Summary

    Emphysema is one of the diseases known collectively as COPD. Although
    emphysema can be brought on by a number of situations and conditions that
    damage the lungs, the primary causative factor is smoking. Exposure to fine
    particulate matter, aerosol sprays, industrial chemicals, or air pollution
    can damage the lungs, leading to emphysema or making the condition worse in
    those already suffering from the disease. Vitamin A and antioxidant
    supplementation, regular exercise, postural drainage and percussion, the use
    of steam and hot mist vaporizers, and lung reduction and transplant surgery
    are all useful therapies for emphysema.

    Do not smoke, because smoking leads to emphysema and also makes emphysema
    worse.
    Get regular exercise and eat a balanced, nutritious diet.
    If you (or anyone in your family) are alpha-1-antitrypsin deficient, see
    your doctor about AAT supplementation.
    Avoid industrial pollutants, second-hand tobacco smoke, grain dust, and
    other air pollutants. This applies to everyone, but is especially important
    for emphysema patients.
    The suggested dose of high-potency vitamins for COPD patients is 3 tablets 3
    times a day of Life Extension Mix and 1 capsule a day of Life Extension
    Booster.
    To help break up thick mucus in the lungs, drink plenty of fluids and take
    600 mg a day of N-Acetyl-Cysteine and 2 grams of vitamin C 3 times a day.
    In patients for whom N-Acetyl-Cysteine and vitamin C do not provide
    sufficient relief from thick mucus, Pulmozyme, a drug used to treat cystic
    fibrosis, can be prescribed by their doctor. Because it is approved only for
    cystic fibrosis, Pulmozyme is unlikely to be prescribed for emphysema unless
    requested by the patient.
    Low vitamin A levels are often seen in COPD patients. Pulmonary function may
    improve with supplementation of 25,000-50,000 IU of vitamin A daily.
    To restore energy to damaged lung cells and keep airways relaxed, the
    following nutrients are suggested:

    Coenzyme Q10, 100 mg 3 times a day.
    Alpha-lipoic acid, 250 mg twice a day.
    Acetyl-L-carnitine, 1000 mg twice a day.
    NADH, 5 mg twice a day.
    Taurine, 1000 mg twice a day.
    Elemental magnesium, 500 mg twice a day.
    Potassium, if needed.
    N-Dimethylglycine (DMG) can be taken at the rate of 1 or 2 tablets (125-250
    mg) under the tongue immediately before exercise. It has been demonstrated
    to help in oxygenation.

    For More Information

    Contact the American Lung Association at (800)586-4872

  2. they forgot to mention ginseng!!!

    hmmmmm

    hawki

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    they forgot to mention ginseng!!!

    hmmmmm

    hawki

    That's because these studies were before Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder
    became available.
    at the time of writing, the methods of preparation of ginseng made it
    unsuitable for people with heart or lung conditions to take. Not only is
    Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder safe for people
    of all ages to take, it strengthens the body of people with heart and lung
    conditions. My blood
    pressure is 120/80. It was 180/105. This ginseng is the only thing I have
    done differently. To
    me thats worth 1000 times more than any double blind study. Show me the
    double blind study
    on the water you drink.

    If you had read mywebsite at http://www.glowlife.com/ you would know that.
    I have given the opportunity to become enlighened. Many have taken it. A few
    haven't. The mann\y I can help.
    The few, I can't.

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    they forgot to mention ginseng!!!

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    conditions. My blood
    pressure is 120/80. It was 180/105.

    Mine is 130/77, and I would wqager i am a few years older than you. Also, my
    total cholesterol is under 150, and all lipid parameters are in the same
    area.

    All from walking 4 miles a day, which has absolutely no side effects, except
    getting out and enjoying nature.

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    they forgot to mention ginseng!!!

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    conditions. My blood
    pressure is 120/80. It was 180/105.

    Mine is 130/77, and I would wqager i am a few years older than you. Also,


    my

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    total cholesterol is under 150, and all lipid parameters are in the same
    area.

    All from walking 4 miles a day, which has absolutely no side effects,


    except

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    getting out and enjoying nature.>

    Good for you, I'm proud of you, I hope it continues, but your point is???
    There may be one material difference between us that may have scientific
    significance......I was told by 4 physicians that my conditions are
    irreversible and
    that I was going to die if I didn't do what they said. My age is of no
    relevance, the change
    in my blood pressure is very relevant.

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    Subject: Re: Understanding emphysema
    From: "Dave" [email hidden]
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    > they forgot to mention ginseng!!!

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    conditions. My blood
    pressure is 120/80. It was 180/105.

    Mine is 130/77, and I would wqager i am a few years older than you. Also,


    my

    Quoted message said:

    total cholesterol is under 150, and all lipid parameters are in the same
    area.

    All from walking 4 miles a day, which has absolutely no side effects,


    except

    Quoted message said:

    getting out and enjoying nature.>

    Good for you, I'm proud of you, I hope it continues, but your point is???
    There may be one material difference between us that may have scientific
    significance......I was told by 4 physicians that my conditions are
    irreversible and
    that I was going to die if I didn't do what they said. My age is of no
    relevance, the change
    in my blood pressure is very relevant.

    Walking four miles a day is great, however it doesn't lower cholesterol for
    everyone.

    The body makes cholesterol, and each body is different.

    Jan

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    Subject: Re: Understanding emphysema
    From: "Dave" [email hidden]
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    ..I was told by 4 physicians that my conditions are
    irreversible and
    that I was going to die if I didn't do what they said.

    but actually you DID do what they said...you stopped your 43 year smoking
    history (which makes you about 58-63...unless you started in preschool)

    and BTW....nicotine is a potent hypertensive...so stopping could also lead to
    decrease b/p

    hawki

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    Subject: Re: Understanding emphysema
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
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    Walking four miles a day is great, however it doesn't lower cholesterol for

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    everyone.

    actually the function of exercise ...which must be cardiovascular to count...is
    the RISE in HDL,,,,the good cholesterol...

    plus obviously it burns calories...and increases muscle mass

    hawki

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    ..I was told by 4 physicians that my conditions are
    irreversible and
    that I was going to die if I didn't do what they said.

    but actually you DID do what they said...you stopped your 43 year smoking
    history (which makes you about 58-63...unless you started in preschool)

    and BTW....nicotine is a potent hypertensive...so stopping could also lead


    to

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    decrease b/p

    I quit smoking in April of 1999 and my blood pressure remained around
    180/105
    until July of 2003. About a month or so on the ginseng it started to slowly
    drop and
    is now around 120/80.

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    hawki

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    I quit smoking in April of 1999 and my blood pressure remained around
    180/105
    until July of 2003. About a month or so on the ginseng it started to
    slowly drop and
    is now around 120/80.

    During those four years, what therapies did you pursue to reduce your blood
    pressure? I certainly hope you sought treatment, since a systolic of 180
    is dangerously high. Am I supposed to believe you were on conventional
    medication for your hypertension, and none of it worked? What was tried?
    Sodium reduction (note: not a pharmaceutical)? DASH diet (same note as
    before)? ACE inhibitors? ARBs? Beta blockers? CCBs? Diuretics?

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    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    I quit smoking in April of 1999 and my blood pressure remained around
    180/105
    until July of 2003. About a month or so on the ginseng it started to
    slowly drop and
    is now around 120/80.

    During those four years, what therapies did you pursue to reduce your


    blood

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    pressure? I certainly hope you sought treatment, since a systolic of 180
    is dangerously high. Am I supposed to believe you were on conventional
    medication for your hypertension, and none of it worked? What was tried?
    Sodium reduction (note: not a pharmaceutical)? DASH diet (same note as
    before)? ACE inhibitors? ARBs? Beta blockers? CCBs? Diuretics?

    Yes, of course I was on medications. They are all listed on Dave's Story.
    I was on Tiazac, Altace and Furosemide. During that time my blood pressure
    ranged from a low of 160 to a high of 220. It began to slowly drop within
    one
    month of starting to take the ginseng. Now it ranges between 120 and 126.
    I have never been on a sodium reduced diet.

    I must point out here that I have never suggested that I am "cured" of my
    ailments. What
    IS occuring suggests that I am definitely getting better. There is solid
    evidence for me and
    everyone who has ever seen me by the fact that I'm able to walk around. As
    for the hard
    documentation, I intend to walk 9 holes of golf and it will be documented in
    the press. You
    should be aware that there is a lot of "scientific" interest in me because I
    am taking a food
    that is yet unknown in North America and "appear" to be experiencing some
    recovery from
    two conditions that have never been reversed before by traditional or
    alternative medicine.
    The other hard documentation will be occuring in December. I will be doing a
    Pulmonary
    Function Test at one of the top labs in Canada. I will be having a Nuclear
    Medicine Scan
    to document the condition of my heart muscle and can determine the state of
    arterial blockages.

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    Subject: Re: Understanding emphysema
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    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > conditions. My blood
    > pressure is 120/80. It was 180/105.

    Mine is 130/77, and I would wqager i am a few years older than you.


    Also,

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    my

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    total cholesterol is under 150, and all lipid parameters are in the


    same

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    area.

    All from walking 4 miles a day, which has absolutely no side effects,


    except

    Quoted message said:

    getting out and enjoying nature.>

    Good for you, I'm proud of you, I hope it continues, but your point is???
    There may be one material difference between us that may have scientific
    significance......I was told by 4 physicians that my conditions are
    irreversible and
    that I was going to die if I didn't do what they said. My age is of no
    relevance, the change
    in my blood pressure is very relevant.

    Walking four miles a day is great, however it doesn't lower cholesterol


    for

    Quoted message said:

    everyone.

    The body makes cholesterol, and each body is different.

    I sure does help to lower it for just about everyone who sticks to it.

    BTW, Jan, I know you are reading my original posts. What are you afraid of
    in not responding to me directly? Coward?

  13. see below

    Dave said:

    "Marko Proberto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > they forgot to mention ginseng!!!

    Quoted message said:

    conditions. My blood
    pressure is 120/80. It was 180/105.

    Mine is 130/77, and I would wqager i am a few years older than you. Also,


    my

    Quoted message said:

    total cholesterol is under 150, and all lipid parameters are in the same
    area.

    All from walking 4 miles a day, which has absolutely no side effects,


    except

    Quoted message said:

    getting out and enjoying nature.>

    Good for you, I'm proud of you, I hope it continues, but your point is???
    There may be one material difference between us that may have scientific
    significance......I was told by 4 physicians that my conditions are
    irreversible and
    that I was going to die if I didn't do what they said. My age is of no
    relevance, the change
    in my blood pressure is very relevant.

    B-0b1 here
    DAVE..I may have something that MAY reverse ALL your problems
    It has taken me 12 yrs to fully develope it..it is FREE for the asking.
    I don't believe in SPAM>..Just the simple TRUTH. I am 71+ and my
    Blood pressure reading are: 95 to 110 over 65 to 70. I was once BLIND
    ..now I have 20/10 eyesite and have had for 11 yrs. It all stems around
    the
    OLD addage (crushed by the Inquisition where 90+ million
    Mid-wives/herbalist
    were burned at the stake to make way for ALLOPATHIC Medicine!
    The FDA would still like to do the same?? LOL! B-0b1

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