Re: Quackbusters

(Jan) said:

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From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 8/3/2003 12:07 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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The vendors
pimping things to "strengthen the immune system" are selling
lies.

And that what she wanted to say!

But you won't hear her say how drugs weaken the immune system.

Jan

Like Neruontin and Elavil ?

Just wondering,
WB

In said:

Quoted message said:

From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 8/3/2003 12:07 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The vendors
pimping things to "strengthen the immune system" are selling
lies.

And that what she wanted to say!

But you won't hear her say how drugs weaken the immune system.

Of course not -- because it's not true.

Unlike Jan, TDN is generally truthful.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 8/3/2003 12:07 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

<snip>

Quoted message said:

The vendors
pimping things to "strengthen the immune system" are selling
lies.

And that what she wanted to say!

But you won't hear her say how drugs weaken the immune system.

Jan

I'll say it. Some drugs weaken the immune system. Good thing, too. They make
it possible for organ transplants to save millions of lives.

--Rich

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
The vendors
pimping things to "strengthen the immune system" are selling
lies.

And that what she wanted to say!

But you won't hear her say how drugs weaken the immune system.

Aside from the known immunosuppressants used for transplant
patients, corticosteroids, etc. ... which drugs?

The ones you take?

Tsu

--
To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

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"Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
The vendors
pimping things to "strengthen the immune system" are selling
lies.

And that what she wanted to say!

But you won't hear her say how drugs weaken the immune system.

Aside from the known immunosuppressants used for transplant
patients, corticosteroids, etc. ... which drugs?

Oh, and NSAID's, and antihistamines. ;o) Rich

Jan said:

Quoted message said:

From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 8/3/2003 12:07 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

<snip>

Quoted message said:

The vendors
pimping things to "strengthen the immune system" are selling
lies.

And that what she wanted to say!

But you won't hear her say how drugs weaken the immune system.

Which drugs would those be? Or, is it all drugs?

D. C. Sessions said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Aside from the known immunosuppressants used for transplant
patients, corticosteroids, etc. ... which drugs?

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In said:

Point made!

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This is a splendid Janism. She apparently sees no problem
generalizing from a few drugs used specifically to suppress
immune responses to all drugs.

Therefore, since Echinacea is also an immune suppressant ...

All herbs are evil and immune system suppressants.

Tsu

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To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
Date: 8/3/2003 12:07 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

<snip>

Quoted message said:

The vendors
pimping things to "strengthen the immune system" are selling
lies.

And that what she wanted to say!

But you won't hear her say how drugs weaken the immune system.

Jan

I'll say it. Some drugs weaken the immune system. Good thing, too. They

make

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it possible for organ transplants to save millions of lives.

--Rich

And you think that an organ transplant is a good thing? If you want a small
insight
into why more and more people are resisting drugs in favour of other ways,
read
the side effects. If you have any understanding of science as you like to
claim,
explain why anyone with any option would use most drugs based on those
negative side effects? Do you believe that natural supplements have negative
side effects?

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And you think that an organ transplant is a good thing? If you want a
small insight
into why more and more people are resisting drugs in favour of other
ways, read
the side effects. If you have any understanding of science as you like
to claim,
explain why anyone with any option would use most drugs based on those
negative side effects? Do you believe that natural supplements have
negative side effects?

Drug manufacturers are required *by law* to collect and make available
reports of actual and *possible* side effects (i.e. *every* adverse event
that occurs to subjects in a clincal trial has to be reported, regardless
of whether or not it could even have been caused by the drug). Supplement
manufacturers are *not* required to do such reporting, and even hinting
that they should brings about a great wailing and gnashing of teeth.

If the supplement manufacturers want to be seen as true "alternatives" to
the pharmaceutical manufacturers, they should be required to play by the
same rules. Saying "we want our competitors to be regulated, but not
ourselves" is an admission that one can't compete on a level playing field.

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(Jan) said:

>From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
>The vendors
>pimping things to "strengthen the immune system" are selling
>lies.

And that what she wanted to say!

But you won't hear her say how drugs weaken the immune system.

Aside from the known immunosuppressants used for transplant
patients, corticosteroids, etc. ... which drugs?

The ones you take?

Pulmicort, prednesone and most all drugs have negative side effects.

A) The assertion was "weaken the immune system," not
"have negative side effects."
B) The assertion was "drugs weaken the immune system," not
"there are drugs which weaken the immune system."
C) There are also "natural" products which weaken the immune
system.
D) All "natural" products have negative side effects.

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"D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In said:

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

>>From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
>>The vendors
>>pimping things to "strengthen the immune system" are selling
>>lies.
>
>And that what she wanted to say!
>
>But you won't hear her say how drugs weaken the immune system.

Aside from the known immunosuppressants used for transplant
patients, corticosteroids, etc. ... which drugs?

The ones you take?

Pulmicort, prednesone and most all drugs have negative side effects.

A) The assertion was "weaken the immune system," not
"have negative side effects."
B) The assertion was "drugs weaken the immune system," not
"there are drugs which weaken the immune system."
C) There are also "natural" products which weaken the immune
system.
D) All "natural" products have negative side effects.

Ok, thanks for setting the record straight. I'm sure there are a couple of
others
here that share your level of intellect.

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