Homeopathic First Aid

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Peter Moran is fond of quoting Hippocrates? (source?).

PS I am not fond of quoting Hippocrates. Those supporting benign but
useless treatments for serious illnesses do. I was showing that referring
to a two thousand year old authority on medicine is a bit futile, especially
when done selectively.

Incidentally, The closest I can find to "first do no harm" is ---
As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no
harm.

Hippocrates, Epidemics

Not quite the same thing, and reflecting the fact that .there were very few
effective treatments for any diseases in those days, as Hippocrates knew.

Peter Moran

..

(Angela) said:

There is a remedy which will help the body to heal for each of the
conditions you mention. Homeopathy is or should be a complement to
mainstream medicine.

Drinking water is good for you.
And complementary to taking your pills.

Quoted message said:

Homeopathy can be described as a different way of ‘medicating' and if
anyone is interested, I suggest that they do some reading. A good
place to start: "The Patient Not the Cure" by Dr. M. Blackie.

Medicating with pure water, it cures your thirst.

Quoted message said:

The phrase ‘First do no harm' is the essence of the Hippocratic Oath,
it is not copied from the Hippocratic Oath.

You probably know more about the Hypocritic Oaths

Quoted message said:

The Oath has changed form
over the years but in essence remains the same: "First do no harm".

Hippocrates must be spinning in his grave.

Homeopathy is pure bunkum.

In said:

D.C. Sessions writes:
''''You got several serious replies, including mine.
I'm quite honestly curious about "homeopathic first aid"
and this is your chance to proselytize.

I'm curious about "homeopathic first aid." How does one
use homeopathy for:

* broken bones (break a smaller bone?)
* arterial bleeding (needle stick?)
* second- and third-degree burns (first-degree burn?)
* cardiac arrest (???)

I spend a lot of time doing first aid, and I'm truly
baffled.'''

Actually D.C. I couldn't find any other serious replies. Also, I know
what to expect if I reply to your seemingly innocuous questioning so I
will start: Smaller bone? - you mean like a toe? Perhaps you could
tell everyone what you do for this condition. Absolutely squat. I
know I just broke my toe.

I have no idea what a "homeopathic first aid" would be for
a broken bone -- that's why I asked. "Break[ing] a smaller
bone" is just the closest I could come to "treating like
with like" for a fracture.

As for what I do as first aid for broken bones, the answer
is to "first, do no harm:" immobilize the fracture and the
joints above and below the break, so that the sharp bone
ends don't do any more damage to tissues around the break.

If circulation, motion, or sensation has been compromised
distal to an apparent displaced fracture, I *may* attempt
(once) to gently align the limb allowing restoration of
normal blood and nerve supply. If that fails, I upgrade
their status to emergency and get them transported stat.

Either way, get them to definitive care (orthopaedist)
as soon as practicable. Those sharp little things need
to be in their proper places for good healing, not to
mention potentially needing to repair damage secondary
to the fracture itself. *That* is not something I
would dream of attempting.

Quoted message said:

There is a remedy which will help the body to heal for each of the
conditions you mention. Homeopathy is or should be a complement to
mainstream medicine.

Homeopathy can be described as a different way of ‘medicating' and if
anyone is interested, I suggest that they do some reading. A good
place to start: "The Patient Not the Cure" by Dr. M. Blackie.

The phrase ‘First do no harm' is the essence of the Hippocratic Oath,
it is not copied from the Hippocratic Oath. The Oath has changed form
over the years but in essence remains the same: "First do no harm".

Peter Moran is fond of quoting Hippocrates? (source?).

Paracelsus also quoted Hippocrates:

"The Great Surgery Book" 1535, Paracelsus quotes the words of
Hippocrates: "A physician who thinks that he heals does not understand
the art. You may understand for what purpose there is a physician.
He provides the shield for nature and protects the injured part
against its enemies, so that the force without may not [censored], poison,
or injure the forces of nature, but may preserve its vital power. He
who takes good care of wounds is a good
surgeon."

Humans on a molecular level are groups of living cells working
together synergistically. Our living cells have specific needs for
survival: Food: make it the best you can afford, Air: breath clean
air, Water: make it the best you can, Sunshine, Exercise: so our lymph
system can remove toxins. Rest.

We are each a specially created organism; put your faith in your
Creator and have no fear.

I have posted 868 messages since Oct. 1997 according to the google
scorekeeper. I really haven't posted even that many - the threads are
included in the 868. I think I have a posting history, though not as
illustrious as Mark Probert's 78,600.

None of the above came close to answering the question,
"what is homeopathic first aid?" even in general, much
less for the specific cases I mentioned.

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Quoted message said:

I have posted 868 messages since Oct. 1997 according to the google
scorekeeper. I really haven't posted even that many - the threads are
included in the 868. I think I have a posting history, though not as
illustrious as Mark Probert's 78,600.

Not with the email adress you use now: [email hidden]
That one yields 5 posts.:

http:[email hidden]&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=nl

So, what did you query to yield 868 posts?

--

Robert Bronsing

But that's okay, see the children bleed
It'll look great on the TV

Angela,

To make this question easier to answer, even though I didn't ask it, try to
imagine this:

I work in a heavy industrial environment with plenty of automatic equipment
and lots of heavy manual handling. When things go wrong (and they don't too
often any more) you can often expect lacerations, broken bones, severe
brusing, heat burns and strained backs.
What homeopathic remedies should I be stocking my first aid kits with?
When should I use them in conjunction with conventional first aid?
When should I use then instead of regular first aid?
A few examples should suffice.

Regards,

Doug

(Angela) said:

D.C. Sessions writes:
I'm curious about "homeopathic first aid." How does one
use homeopathy for:
* broken bones (break a smaller bone?)
* arterial bleeding (needle stick?)
* second- and third-degree burns (first-degree burn?)
* cardiac arrest (???)

I spend a lot of time doing first aid, and I'm truly
baffled.'''

Quoted message said:

There is a remedy which will help the body to heal for each of the
conditions you mention. Homeopathy is or should be a complement to
mainstream medicine.

Classic homeopathy uses "the hair of the dog that bit you", but
diluted ... if someone has convulsions, they get strychnine (a
poison that causes massive convulsions) highly diluted. The
theory is that like cures like.

So what would a homeopath do as first aid for a broken bone or
arterial bleeding?

Tsu

--
To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

WB said:

Doug said:

Angela,

To make this question easier to answer, even though I didn't ask it, try to
imagine this:

I work in a heavy industrial environment with plenty of automatic equipment
and lots of heavy manual handling. When things go wrong (and they don't too
often any more) you can often expect lacerations, broken bones, severe
brusing, heat burns and strained backs.
What homeopathic remedies should I be stocking my first aid kits with?
When should I use them in conjunction with conventional first aid?
When should I use then instead of regular first aid?
A few examples should suffice.

Regards,

Doug

Well, you could use hopeopathic remedies when the minor
condition of thirst develops.

%^)

Wait... that would be hopeopathic "Thirst Aid"

Angela said:

D.C. Sessions writes:
''''You got several serious replies, including mine.
I'm quite honestly curious about "homeopathic first aid"
and this is your chance to proselytize.

I'm curious about "homeopathic first aid." How does one
use homeopathy for:

* broken bones (break a smaller bone?)
* arterial bleeding (needle stick?)
* second- and third-degree burns (first-degree burn?)
* cardiac arrest (???)

I spend a lot of time doing first aid, and I'm truly
baffled.'''

Actually D.C. I couldn't find any other serious replies. Also, I know
what to expect if I reply to your seemingly innocuous questioning so I
will start: Smaller bone? - you mean like a toe? Perhaps you could
tell everyone what you do for this condition. Absolutely squat. I
know I just broke my toe.

There is a remedy which will help the body to heal for each of the
conditions you mention. Homeopathy is or should be a complement to
mainstream medicine.

Homeopathy can be described as a different way of ‘medicating' and if
anyone is interested, I suggest that they do some reading. A good
place to start: "The Patient Not the Cure" by Dr. M. Blackie.

The phrase ‘First do no harm' is the essence of the Hippocratic Oath,
it is not copied from the Hippocratic Oath. The Oath has changed form
over the years but in essence remains the same: "First do no harm".

Peter Moran is fond of quoting Hippocrates? (source?).

Paracelsus also quoted Hippocrates:

"The Great Surgery Book" 1535, Paracelsus quotes the words of
Hippocrates: "A physician who thinks that he heals does not understand
the art. You may understand for what purpose there is a physician.
He provides the shield for nature and protects the injured part
against its enemies, so that the force without may not [censored], poison,
or injure the forces of nature, but may preserve its vital power. He
who takes good care of wounds is a good
surgeon."

Humans on a molecular level are groups of living cells working
together synergistically. Our living cells have specific needs for
survival: Food: make it the best you can afford, Air: breath clean
air, Water: make it the best you can, Sunshine, Exercise: so our lymph
system can remove toxins. Rest.

We are each a specially created organism; put your faith in your
Creator and have no fear.

I have posted 868 messages since Oct. 1997 according to the google
scorekeeper. I really haven't posted even that many - the threads are
included in the 868. I think I have a posting history, though not as
illustrious as Mark Probert's 78,600.

You have to learn how to use Google better. I used your email address
for the search. The results were as I stated, however, your response is
homeopathic.

And, I see that you did not really answer DCS' question.

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Best wishes. Angela.

There is no such thing as common good.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The Oath has changed form
over the years but in essence remains the same: "First do no harm".

Hippocrates must be spinning in his grave.

According to Jan & rb, he's drowning in a lake of fire for not accepting Jesus
as his savior. He came along in the "damnation days", before the common era,
or BC.

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Homeopathy is pure bunkum.

Yeah, but the important thing is that Hippocrates is in Hell and someone can
make the argument that Homeopathy is "unproven" or that disproving its core
tennets doesn't really matter.

After all, isn't the ULTIMATE test of an _ALT_ therapy a measure how
counter-culture it is?

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(Angela) said:

D.C. Sessions writes:
I'm curious about "homeopathic first aid." How does one
use homeopathy for:
* broken bones (break a smaller bone?)
* arterial bleeding (needle stick?)
* second- and third-degree burns (first-degree burn?)
* cardiac arrest (???)

I spend a lot of time doing first aid, and I'm truly
baffled.'''

Quoted message said:

There is a remedy which will help the body to heal for each of the
conditions you mention. Homeopathy is or should be a complement to
mainstream medicine.

Classic homeopathy uses "the hair of the dog that bit you", but
diluted ... if someone has convulsions, they get strychnine (a
poison that causes massive convulsions) highly diluted. The
theory is that like cures like.

So what would a homeopath do as first aid for a broken bone or
arterial bleeding?

Tsu

In the case of a person hit by a car, they would select the homeopath would
select the most similar matchbox car, put it in a beaker, shake-it-not-stir-it,
and whack the person about their trauma wounds.

Can you prove it DOESN'T work?

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Quoted message said:

(Angela) said:

D.C. Sessions writes:
I'm curious about "homeopathic first aid." How does one
use homeopathy for:
* broken bones (break a smaller bone?)
* arterial bleeding (needle stick?)
* second- and third-degree burns (first-degree burn?)
* cardiac arrest (???)

I spend a lot of time doing first aid, and I'm truly
baffled.'''

Quoted message said:

There is a remedy which will help the body to heal for each of the
conditions you mention. Homeopathy is or should be a complement to
mainstream medicine.

Classic homeopathy uses "the hair of the dog that bit you", but
diluted ... if someone has convulsions, they get strychnine (a
poison that causes massive convulsions) highly diluted. The
theory is that like cures like.

So what would a homeopath do as first aid for a broken bone or
arterial bleeding?

Tsu

That could have stood a bit of editing. It should have read:

In the case of a person hit by a car, the homeopath would select the most
similar matchbox car, put it in a beaker, shake-it-not-stir-it, and use it
towhack the person about their trauma wounds.

There are no peer-reviewed, replicated, RCTs that show it DOESN'T work!

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Subject: Re: Homeopathic First Aid
From: "Robert Bronsing" [email hidden]
Date: 8/3/2003 12:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

I have posted 868 messages since Oct. 1997 according to the google
scorekeeper. I really haven't posted even that many - the threads are
included in the 868. I think I have a posting history, though not as
illustrious as Mark Probert's 78,600.

Not with the email adress you use now: [email hidden]
That one yields 5 posts.:

http:[email hidden]&ie=UTF-8&

oe=UTF-8&hl=nl

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So, what did you query to yield 868 posts?

You might want to take a look at how many times some debunkers change their
addy. Next, why did they nuke their posts??

Jan

Personal visitation no doubt.

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Yeah, but the important thing is that Hippocrates is in Hell and someone

can

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make the argument that Homeopathy is "unproven" or that disproving its

core

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tennets doesn't really matter.

After all, isn't the ULTIMATE test of an _ALT_ therapy a measure how
counter-culture it is?

(Ilsa9) said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The Oath has changed form
over the years but in essence remains the same: "First do no harm".

Hippocrates must be spinning in his grave.

According to Jan & rb, he's drowning in a lake of fire for not accepting Jesus
as his savior. He came along in the "damnation days", before the common era,
or BC.

That'd be BCE as the modern terminology goes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Homeopathy is pure bunkum.

Yeah, but the important thing is that Hippocrates is in Hell and someone can
make the argument that Homeopathy is "unproven" or that disproving its core
tennets doesn't really matter.

After all, isn't the ULTIMATE test of an _ALT_ therapy a measure how
counter-culture it is?

Yes, sad that.

(Ilsa9) said:

Quoted message said:

(Angela) said:

D.C. Sessions writes:
I'm curious about "homeopathic first aid." How does one
use homeopathy for:
* broken bones (break a smaller bone?)
* arterial bleeding (needle stick?)
* second- and third-degree burns (first-degree burn?)
* cardiac arrest (???)

I spend a lot of time doing first aid, and I'm truly
baffled.'''

Quoted message said:

There is a remedy which will help the body to heal for each of the
conditions you mention. Homeopathy is or should be a complement to
mainstream medicine.

Classic homeopathy uses "the hair of the dog that bit you", but
diluted ... if someone has convulsions, they get strychnine (a
poison that causes massive convulsions) highly diluted. The
theory is that like cures like.

So what would a homeopath do as first aid for a broken bone or
arterial bleeding?

Tsu

In the case of a person hit by a car, they would select the homeopath would
select the most similar matchbox car, put it in a beaker, shake-it-not-stir-it,
and whack the person about their trauma wounds.

Can you prove it DOESN'T work?

We need some volunteers...

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Subject: Re: Homeopathic First Aid
From: "Robert Bronsing" [email hidden]
Date: 8/3/2003 12:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
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> I have posted 868 messages since Oct. 1997 according to the google
> scorekeeper. I really haven't posted even that many - the threads

are

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> included in the 868. I think I have a posting history, though not as
> illustrious as Mark Probert's 78,600.
>

Not with the email adress you use now: [email hidden]
That one yields 5 posts.:

http:[email hidden]&ie=UTF-8&

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oe=UTF-8&hl=nl

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So, what did you query to yield 868 posts?

You might want to take a look at how many times some debunkers change

their

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addy.

Most don't change their adress very often. I changed it recently because,
well, my email adress changed at work.

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Next, why did they nuke their posts??

How do you nuke posts? I did not know this was possible.

Peter Moran

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I wouldn't know. You'd have to ask those who did, I did it only on one or
two occasions when I was either very wrong about something or made

horrible

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spelling mistakes.

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Robert Bronsing

But that's okay, see the children bleed
It'll look great on the TV

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>Subject: Re: Homeopathic First Aid
>From: "Robert Bronsing" [email hidden]
>Date: 8/3/2003 12:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email hidden]>
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>> I have posted 868 messages since Oct. 1997 according to the google
>> scorekeeper. I really haven't posted even that many - the threads

are

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>> included in the 868. I think I have a posting history, though not

as

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>> illustrious as Mark Probert's 78,600.
>>
>
>Not with the email adress you use now: [email hidden]
>That one yields 5 posts.:
>
>

http:[email hidden]&ie=UTF-8&

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oe=UTF-8&hl=nl
>
>So, what did you query to yield 868 posts?

You might want to take a look at how many times some debunkers change

their

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addy.

Most don't change their adress very often. I changed it recently

because,

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well, my email adress changed at work.

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Next, why did they nuke their posts??

How do you nuke posts? I did not know this was possible.

If you know the message I.D., you can send a cancel request to google. If
you're in time, it'll be cancelled. Of course, if anyone had already
downloaded the message, they'll still have it.

--

Robert Bronsing

But that's okay, see the children bleed
It'll look great on the TV

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(Ilsa9) said:

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[email hidden] (Angela) wrote:

>D.C. Sessions writes:
>I'm curious about "homeopathic first aid." How does one
>use homeopathy for:
>* broken bones (break a smaller bone?)
>* arterial bleeding (needle stick?)
>* second- and third-degree burns (first-degree burn?)
>* cardiac arrest (???)
>
>I spend a lot of time doing first aid, and I'm truly
>baffled.'''

>There is a remedy which will help the body to heal for each of the
>conditions you mention. Homeopathy is or should be a complement to
>mainstream medicine.

Classic homeopathy uses "the hair of the dog that bit you", but
diluted ... if someone has convulsions, they get strychnine (a
poison that causes massive convulsions) highly diluted. The
theory is that like cures like.

So what would a homeopath do as first aid for a broken bone or
arterial bleeding?

Tsu

In the case of a person hit by a car, they would select the homeopath would
select the most similar matchbox car, put it in a beaker,

shake-it-not-stir-it,

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and whack the person about their trauma wounds.

Can you prove it DOESN'T work?

We need some volunteers...

I've repeatedly offered people like Debbee1023, JanDrew, GymmieBob, Rod_Munch,
rb, & JBain the opportunity to participate in a similar homepathic "proving"
for skin reactions to plain, bar soap.

If you saw Full Metal Jacket, you can get a good idea as to my proposed
methodology. There will be no placebo group and the subjects will may need
several treatments....over several years.

"Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Angela,

To make this question easier to answer, even though I didn't ask it, try to
imagine this:

I work in a heavy industrial environment with plenty of automatic equipment
and lots of heavy manual handling. When things go wrong (and they don't too
often any more) you can often expect lacerations, broken bones, severe
brusing, heat burns and strained backs.
What homeopathic remedies should I be stocking my first aid kits with?
When should I use them in conjunction with conventional first aid?
When should I use then instead of regular first aid?
A few examples should suffice.

Regards,

Doug

Hello Doug,

Since you took the time to ask in a reasonable manner, I will give you
a brief overview of some of the remedies you might run in to.

Arnica - I keep Arnica 30C on hand at all times.

Arnica 30 deals with bruising of soft parts and removes the shock of
an accident.

Ruta 6 or 12 is for bruised bones and should follow arnica when
required.

Symphytum 30 should be given for broken bones after being properly set
by the surgeon and NOT before.

Hypericum 12 or 30 should be used for nerve lacerations or injuries to
nerve endings such as finger tips or toes.

Ledum 6 or 12 is for puncture wounds.

Ledum 200 for black eye with Arnica at the beginning to remove shock
of accident.

Cantharis 30C for burns. Urtica Urens 30C for scalds with hot water.

These are a few of the remedies for the conditions you mentioned.
There is a lot to learn. Although you can buy these remedies, I
wouldn't recommend that you do this. There are a lot of homeopathic
first aid books, however, you really need to go to a Homeopathic
practioner(MD) and find out how to use the remedies and what remedies
you can use with your regular first aid treatment.

Not everybody would be willing to have the homeopathic treatment,
although surprisingly the real world is not as resistant as some on
this group would have you believe. You would have to know which of
your staff would like to have homeopathic treatment in combination
with the regular first aid.

I don't recommend anybody use homeopathic medicine without reading
about it first and deciding that it is what they want to do and then
talking to a licensed doctor or practioner of homeopathic medicine.

Best wishes. Angela.