Stage 1 query...

Quoted message said:

I haven't seen such a disparity between the leader and the others in a
TT of this length. I am happy for Zabriskie, but based on the
differences, is there any possibility, even in this event, that there
was a timing error in his run?

I think if they show the actual speed of the riders, it would show
Zabriskie's time to be accurate. His is the fastest ever in a TdF time
trial(not including prologues) at almost 55km/h.

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no chance!

I'm thinking shifting winds.

"Jaybee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I haven't seen such a disparity between the leader and the others in a TT
of this length. I am happy for Zabriskie, but based on the differences,
is there any possibility, even in this event, that there was a timing error
in his run?

Michael said:

Quoted message said:

Armstrong doesn't gain 6 seconds on a guy from check point one to
check point two and then lose 5 of them, and the win, without
something going on. Maybe he spent it all blowing by Ullrich. Maybe he
wanted another American to get a Yellow Jersey. Maybe he didn't want
to be put in the position of trying to wire to wire the race.

Winds, slipped pedal, increased humidity, blah blah...

It's doing a disservice to Zabriskie to indicate in any way that he
didn't earn or deserve this great win.

I don't know, but no matter what went on Zabriskie is really
establishing himself now. Vuelta, Giro and now TdF. Fantastic.

The big question is whether or not CSC will hold it through the TTT.

D

They will certainly try to defend the Mellow Johnny. It's difficult to believe
that Armstrong calculated that CSC would do the work for the first few
stages and so let Zabriskie win, but that's the effect.

m.

Well, Armstrong had all day (over 2 hours) knowing that CSC had it.
They could have come up with a plan that was contingent on how the top
GC rivals did.

Or maybe he just wanted to stay in sight of Jan to rub it in, lol.

D

I didn't mean to take anything away from him...I alluded to wind before
Armstrong et al started...I was thinking it was odd to see the early
starters maintaining good positions...guys like bodrogi and wauters staying
so high in the placings...

Believe me, I was happy to see Zab take the victory.

"David Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Armstrong doesn't gain 6 seconds on a guy from check point one to
check point two and then lose 5 of them, and the win, without
something going on. Maybe he spent it all blowing by Ullrich. Maybe he
wanted another American to get a Yellow Jersey. Maybe he didn't want
to be put in the position of trying to wire to wire the race.

Winds, slipped pedal, increased humidity, blah blah...

It's doing a disservice to Zabriskie to indicate in any way that he
didn't earn or deserve this great win.

I don't know, but no matter what went on Zabriskie is really
establishing himself now. Vuelta, Giro and now TdF. Fantastic.

The big question is whether or not CSC will hold it through the TTT.

D

David Ferguson said:

Armstrong doesn't gain 6 seconds on a guy from check point one to
check point two and then lose 5 of them, and the win, without
something going on. Maybe he spent it all blowing by Ullrich.

That's exactly the kind of thing that happens if the wind has
changed between the two riders.

Quoted message said:

Maybe he wanted another American to get a Yellow Jersey.

Don't kid yourself. If anything, the Other American factor
is evidence that LANCE didn't deliberately let the jersey go.

LANCE's gap over the other riders is so big (and the gaps from
3rd on so small) that it's reminiscent of the Chung Chart of
the worlds TT with Millar as the complete outlier:
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rechung/temp/tt.png
If not for Zabriskie's excellent performance, people might start
to talk.

Quoted message said:

It's doing a disservice to Zabriskie to indicate in any way that he
didn't earn or deserve this great win.

I don't know, but no matter what went on Zabriskie is really
establishing himself now. Vuelta, Giro and now TdF. Fantastic.

The big question is whether or not CSC will hold it through the TTT.

quote:
They will certainly try to defend the Mellow Johnny. It's difficult to
believe
that Armstrong calculated that CSC would do the work for the first few
stages and so let Zabriskie win, but that's the effect.

It has NOTHING to so with "knowing" CSC would work.. however gets
yellow will work. He didn't have to "know" or "calculate" that CSC
would do the work.. If he finishes 2nd.. it's ideal..

David Ferguson said:

It's doing a disservice to Zabriskie to indicate in any way that he
didn't earn or deserve this great win.

Ya, imagine how much time DZ would have gained on LA if they'd both had
Lance's superbike...

Jim

Quoted message said:

LANCE's gap over the other riders is so big (and the gaps from
3rd on so small) that it's reminiscent of the Chung Chart of
the worlds TT with Millar as the complete outlier:
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rechung/temp/tt.png

This is better:
http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/world2003tt.png

Quoted message said:

If not for Zabriskie's excellent performance, people might start
to talk.

http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf05-1.png

Robert Chung said:

http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf05-1.png

So Piepoli sucks?

I think that's what you call a 'psyche' on the part of Lance. Extra
drug-tested to emphasize how clean he is, then daylight between him and
almost the entire field (and no tailwind).

Stewart Fleming said:

Robert Chung said:

http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf05-1.png

So Piepoli sucks?

I think that's what you call a 'psyche' on the part of Lance. Extra
drug-tested to emphasize how clean he is, then daylight between him and
almost the entire field (and no tailwind).

so does the extra drug testing mean anything? You could say Zabriskie
had the early tailwind, but what did LANCE have?

Robert Chung said:

[email hidden] wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

LANCE's gap over the other riders is so big (and the gaps from
3rd on so small) that it's reminiscent of the Chung Chart of
the worlds TT with Millar as the complete outlier:
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rechung/temp/tt.png

This is better:
http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/world2003tt.png

Quoted message said:

If not for Zabriskie's excellent performance, people might start
to talk.

http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf05-1.png

Interesting. Looks like Landis, Ullrich and Leipheimer didn't
warm up enough, or went out a little too conservatively. Not
that it would have changed things much. Piepoli must have
started his KOM strategy early.

I believe this is Georgie-Porgie's third 4th place in a Tour
de France stage (and one 3rd).

"gym.gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

so does the extra drug testing mean anything? You could say Zabriskie
had the early tailwind, but what did LANCE have?

penache

Jim Flom said:

"gym.gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

so does the extra drug testing mean anything? You could say Zabriskie
had the early tailwind, but what did LANCE have?

penache

Anger too, maybe.

Cyclingnews says the wind was constant all day, so Zabriskie must have
some penache too, a lot of it. Must have been at least a 2000mg plug.
This is the second time he won a time trial from the first wave of
riders.

On 07/02/2005 08:14 PM, in article dSHxe.89672$HI.28655@edtnps84, "Jim

Flom said:

"gym.gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

so does the extra drug testing mean anything? You could say Zabriskie
had the early tailwind, but what did LANCE have?

penache

As long as he doesn't have any of that silly panache stuff ...

So how do you make a penache? You let the ink run dry!

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Quoted message said:

Jim Flom said:

"gym.gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

so does the extra drug testing mean anything? You could say
Zabriskie had the early tailwind, but what did LANCE have?

penache

Anger too, maybe.

Cyclingnews says the wind was constant all day, so Zabriskie must have
some penache too, a lot of it. Must have been at least a 2000mg plug.
This is the second time he won a time trial from the first wave of
riders.

Peniche or panaché.
Chose or take both. I would.
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Bonne route !

Sandy
Vreneuil-sur-Seine FR

"Sandy" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

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Peniche or panaché.
Chose or take both. I would.

Pitooey! :-P

Steven L. Sheffield said:

On 07/02/2005 08:14 PM, in article dSHxe.89672$HI.28655@edtnps84, "Jim

Flom said:

"gym.gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

so does the extra drug testing mean anything? You could say Zabriskie
had the early tailwind, but what did LANCE have?

penache

As long as he doesn't have any of that silly panache stuff ...

So how do you make a penache? You let the ink run dry!

whoops.

2000mg panache suppository. Add 2000mg panache, a few drops of olive
oil, corn starch and stick it in this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=135&item=6543548775&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

gym.gravity said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> so does the extra drug testing mean anything? You could say Zabriskie
> had the early tailwind, but what did LANCE have?
penache

Steven L. Sheffield said:

Quoted message said:

As long as he doesn't have any of that silly panache stuff ...
So how do you make a penache? You let the ink run dry!

gym.gravity said:

whoops.

2000mg panache suppository. Add 2000mg panache, a few drops of olive
oil, corn starch and stick it in this:

Dumbass,
Panache occurs naturally in krispy kreme doughnuts. I thought all rbr
fatty masters dopers knew that.