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  1. I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get myself in
    a bit of shape for about 8 months.

    I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.

    I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises lately
    (all the time - not just during training).

    I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!! (I
    don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying to do
    crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with a bar
    (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment of
    about 80kg.

    What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
    should I ease off if I am damaging them?
    I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).

    Thanks

    Nick

  2. Quoted message said:

    Advice about joints>

    What do want to know? I roll several a week, so I can advise you, but I
    mostly smoke it in my pipe.

  3. "NottNick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get myself
    in a bit of shape for about 8 months.

    I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.

    I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises
    lately (all the time - not just during training).

    I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!! (I
    don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying to
    do crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with
    a bar (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the
    equipment of about 80kg.

    What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
    should I ease off if I am damaging them?
    I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).

    Google "joint health" and "joint range of motion" and do some reading.

    I highly recommend Pavel's "Super Joints" http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm and the
    joint health video by Steve Maxwell http://www.stevemaxwell.com

    In the meantime, be sure to use a full range of motion at least some of the
    time when exercising - that means squatting deep enough that you feel like
    you're about to sit on the ground.

    Consider laying on your back and doing pretend bicycling once or twice a
    day, aiming for high reps (up to 100 or more). Be sure to fully straighten
    your knee - thinking about leading with your heel can help that. Also try,
    if you can, really riding a bicycle - be sure your leg is as fully extended
    as is comfortable, and keep your cadence high and the resistance low.

    Hope that helps some.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  4. NottNick said:

    I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).

    Before the spellcheck police on this board beat you to a pulp, its
    spelled glucosamine. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    From my own experience, I've gotten much better results (no


    snapcracklepop of the knees & ankle joints, no hip pain)when I've taken
    a combo joint formula with glucosamine & chondroitin. If you have any
    inflamation, look for the combo to include MSM also. One thing to note,
    you really have to compare ingredients, cost per serving and how many
    tablets make up that serving, as there are lots of variety to choose
    from. The current brand I'm taking is by Nature Made called 'Triple
    Flex'. Two caplets a day with 1500mg glucosamine, 1200mg chondroitin,
    and 250mg MSM, 75 servings per container at Costco for under $25. It
    takes about 4-6 weeks before you should notice a difference - its one
    of the few supplements that does what it says its supposed to do.

    joanne

  5. Sometimes joints make noise. I have clients that make tons of noise but it
    isn't bothering them in the least. Go full range of motion and back off if
    you start feeling pain or joint stiffness afterwards.

    AK
    www.fitnessplanning.com

    "NottNick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get myself


    in

    Quoted message said:

    a bit of shape for about 8 months.

    I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.

    I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises


    lately

    Quoted message said:

    (all the time - not just during training).

    I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!! (I
    don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying to


    do

    Quoted message said:

    crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with a


    bar

    Quoted message said:

    (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment of
    about 80kg.

    What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
    should I ease off if I am damaging them?
    I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).

    Thanks

    Nick

  6. Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
    training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
    does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
    http://flashpages.prodigy.net/lreid/cable%20article.htm
    Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.

    http://groups-beta.google.com/group/chest-expander-exercises

  7. Sampson said:

    Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
    training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
    does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
    http://flashpages.prodigy.net/lreid/cable%20article.htm
    Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.

    http://groups-beta.google.com/group/chest-expander-exercises

    <sniff> Is somebody cooking spam?

  8. It's right on topic. Why are you asking?

  9. Here is the original question:
    I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get
    myself in
    a bit of shape for about 8 months.

    I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.

    I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises
    lately
    (all the time - not just during training).

    I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!!
    (I
    don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying
    to do
    crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with
    a bar
    (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment
    of
    about 80kg.

    What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
    should I ease off if I am damaging them?
    I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).

    Thanks

    Nick

    Here is my answer:
    Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
    training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
    does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
    http://flashpages.prodigy.net/­lreid/cable%20article.htm
    Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.

    http://groups-beta.google.com/­group/chest-expander-exercises

    It is right on topic, just answering the question. What is your
    problem with my answer?

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sampson said:

    Here is the original question:
    I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get
    myself in
    a bit of shape for about 8 months.

    I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.

    I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises
    lately
    (all the time - not just during training).

    I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!!
    (I
    don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying
    to do
    crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with
    a bar
    (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment
    of
    about 80kg.

    What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
    should I ease off if I am damaging them?
    I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).

    Thanks

    Nick

    Here is my answer:
    Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
    training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
    does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
    http://flashpages.prodigy.net/­lreid/cable%20article.htm
    Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.

    http://groups-beta.google.com/­group/chest-expander-exercises

    It is right on topic, just answering the question. What is your
    problem with my answer?

    I can think of several problems.

    First, chest expanders are not cables.

    Second, 'cable' training has no specific advantage in terms of joint
    health. I'd like to see the 'sources' for your remark. I was unable to
    access the URL you gave above.

    Third, the OP was referring to knee joints and you come in with shoulder
    joints.

    What does have benefit for ligaments is high repetition exercises done
    over a natural and full ROM. Cables can be used for this, but they
    aren't necessary and often make a natural ROM difficult since they only
    offer linear resistance.

    For the knees I'd recommend bodyweight deep squats done for high
    repetitions daily. I'd also regularly stretch the hamstrings. And I
    wouldn't use chest expanders for either of these things.

    --
    Keith

  11. Hobbes said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sampson said:

    Here is the original question:
    I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get
    myself in
    a bit of shape for about 8 months.

    I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.

    I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises
    lately
    (all the time - not just during training).

    I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!!
    (I
    don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying
    to do
    crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with
    a bar
    (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment
    of
    about 80kg.

    What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
    should I ease off if I am damaging them?
    I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).

    Thanks

    Nick

    Here is my answer:
    Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
    training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
    does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
    http://flashpages.prodigy.net/­lreid/cable%20article.htm
    Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.

    http://groups-beta.google.com/­group/chest-expander-exercises

    It is right on topic, just answering the question. What is your
    problem with my answer?

    I can think of several problems.

    First, chest expanders are not cables.

    Second, 'cable' training has no specific advantage in terms of joint
    health. I'd like to see the 'sources' for your remark. I was unable to
    access the URL you gave above.

    Third, the OP was referring to knee joints and you come in with shoulder
    joints.

    What does have benefit for ligaments is high repetition exercises done
    over a natural and full ROM. Cables can be used for this, but they
    aren't necessary and often make a natural ROM difficult since they only
    offer linear resistance.

    For the knees I'd recommend bodyweight deep squats done for high
    repetitions daily. I'd also regularly stretch the hamstrings. And I
    wouldn't use chest expanders for either of these things.

    Actually, the "problem" to which he was referring is my comment about
    spam.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    JMW said:
    Hobbes said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Sampson said:

    Here is the original question:
    I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get
    myself in
    a bit of shape for about 8 months.

    I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.

    I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises
    lately
    (all the time - not just during training).

    I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!!
    (I
    don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying
    to do
    crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with
    a bar
    (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment
    of
    about 80kg.

    What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
    should I ease off if I am damaging them?
    I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).

    Thanks

    Nick

    Here is my answer:
    Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
    training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
    does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
    http://flashpages.prodigy.net/­lreid/cable%20article.htm
    Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.

    http://groups-beta.google.com/­group/chest-expander-exercises

    It is right on topic, just answering the question. What is your
    problem with my answer?

    I can think of several problems.

    First, chest expanders are not cables.

    Second, 'cable' training has no specific advantage in terms of joint
    health. I'd like to see the 'sources' for your remark. I was unable to
    access the URL you gave above.

    Third, the OP was referring to knee joints and you come in with shoulder
    joints.

    What does have benefit for ligaments is high repetition exercises done
    over a natural and full ROM. Cables can be used for this, but they
    aren't necessary and often make a natural ROM difficult since they only
    offer linear resistance.

    For the knees I'd recommend bodyweight deep squats done for high
    repetitions daily. I'd also regularly stretch the hamstrings. And I
    wouldn't use chest expanders for either of these things.

    Actually, the "problem" to which he was referring is my comment about
    spam.

    Yeah, I saw that. But there were some more problems which I brought up.
    Since I couldn't access the URL he gave I couldn't comment on the SPAM
    issue.

    --
    Keith

  13. what spam, please explain yourself

  14. First comment: chest expanders use cables for the resistance they
    provide.

    Second comment:
    "Can cables be used to recover from injuries, for rehabilitation?

    Yes, and in fact, they are extremely popular for this very thing. For
    some of the very reasons stated throughout this article: the graduated
    resistance, the pumping of blood into the muscles, and so forth, cables
    are easily adapted to rehabilitation efforts. But, let me pose another
    possible angle here: active rest from barbell training. After several
    cycles of heavy lifting over a year's time, a trainer might benefit
    from some active rest using cables to the exclusion of barbells and
    dumbbells. Cables simply don't put the stresses and strains on
    joints, bones, ligaments, tendons, cartilage, and other hard tissues in
    the same manner as big load bearing exercises. In a heavy squat for
    example, a lifter descends with a ponderous weight and then abruptly
    changes direction causing the knees to act as "shock absorbers."
    Over time, this can wear down a lifter. In cable training, the
    "cables" act as the shock absorbers. By using a cable form of the
    same exercise, a lifter's knees have a chance to actively rest while
    the muscles are still worked."

    This is quoted from:
    http://flashpages.prodigy.net/lreid/cable%20article.htm

    (be sure the link is complete. if not, then cut and paste it into the
    address bar)

    "You know I'm not one to tell you that there is a miracle exercise.
    There isn't. There's just smart training and belief and effort. But
    cables are so absolutely versatile in their application that they
    really will help you out so long as you're smart about applying them. I
    didn't just choose cables on a whim. A fact that you can see if you
    read the "19 Reasons I Train With Cables," article on our site. They
    make my joints feel better and they can do the same for you. They made
    my strength go up. Same for you. They made my muscles bigger, harder
    and more defined and I already had a great deal of muscle to begin
    with. Plus they make you breath and make your blood circulate like
    crazy! Alone or in combination with other things they'll shoot your
    endurance up higher than ever before. World-class people train with
    them and you can too. This video will give you the tools, the form, the
    ideas and the exercises to get all of those benefits out of a simple
    cable set. Sometimes, simple ideas are the best."

    From:
    http://strongerman.com/alternative_conditioning/cables.html

    Third:
    I did not make myself clear. I was referring to joints in general.

    Some exercises for the legs that can be done with either cables or a
    chest expander, which do not put much pressure on the joints are:

    Anchor a rope overhead. Lean back you are at about a 30-45 degree angle

    leaning back. Do Knee bends, until tired. ON the last rep, hold in the
    middle, and low positions for 10 seconds.

    For the rest of these, anchor the expander, or cables at ankle level,
    and have
    some sort of loop that you can put your leg thru for the other end. I
    use the Lifeline Jogging belt.

    Inner Thigh:
    Pull the expander to your inner side, with your straight leg.

    Outer Thigh:
    As above, but to the outside.

    hamstrings:
    As above, but you are facing the expander. Start with slightly bent
    leg, and bend leg up and back while pulling expander.

    front upper thigh.
    As above, but back to expander. Leg starts bent, and goes to straight.

    Leg exercises #CA-1, and TH-A from
    http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/s­henandoah/OBB/Legs.html

  15. The last link on the last line was cut off. Please cut and paste it
    into the address bar.

  16. Hobbes said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JMW said:
    Hobbes said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Sampson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Here is the original question:
    > I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get
    > myself in
    > a bit of shape for about 8 months.
    >
    >
    > I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.
    >
    >
    > I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises
    > lately
    > (all the time - not just during training).
    >
    >
    > I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!!
    > (I
    > don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying
    > to do
    > crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with
    > a bar
    > (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment
    > of
    > about 80kg.
    >
    >
    > What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
    > should I ease off if I am damaging them?
    > I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).
    >
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    >
    > Nick
    >
    > Here is my answer:
    > Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
    > training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
    > does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
    > http://flashpages.prodigy.net/­lreid/cable%20article.htm
    > Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.
    >
    >
    > http://groups-beta.google.com/­group/chest-expander-exercises
    >
    > It is right on topic, just answering the question. What is your
    > problem with my answer?
    >

    I can think of several problems.

    First, chest expanders are not cables.

    Second, 'cable' training has no specific advantage in terms of joint
    health. I'd like to see the 'sources' for your remark. I was unable to
    access the URL you gave above.

    Third, the OP was referring to knee joints and you come in with shoulder
    joints.

    What does have benefit for ligaments is high repetition exercises done
    over a natural and full ROM. Cables can be used for this, but they
    aren't necessary and often make a natural ROM difficult since they only
    offer linear resistance.

    For the knees I'd recommend bodyweight deep squats done for high
    repetitions daily. I'd also regularly stretch the hamstrings. And I
    wouldn't use chest expanders for either of these things.

    Actually, the "problem" to which he was referring is my comment about
    spam.

    Yeah, I saw that. But there were some more problems which I brought up.
    Since I couldn't access the URL he gave I couldn't comment on the SPAM
    issue.

    He disabled them by inserting hyphens. One leads to a members-only
    Usenet newsgroup:

    http://groups-beta.google.com/group/chest-expander-exercises

    .... which consistently promotes this:

    http://www.leviticus11.com/cbls.htm

    .... and the promoter of that device, "Britt Hinshaw," just so happens
    to post from the same IP address as "Sampson"!

    I'm sure I could find other connections, but this bores me.

  17. On 4 Jul 2005 08:58:50 -0700, "Sampson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
    training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
    does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
    http://flashpages.prodigy.net/­lreid/cable%20article.htm
    Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.

    I use rubber bands (Lifeline's PowerPushup 2 and TNT cables).
    I know rubber bands are used for rehab, but when you lock out with a
    heavy resistance with these products I don't see how you're not
    stressing the joints. And why is stressing the joints necessarily a
    bad thing?

  18. The article referred to does not say cable training puts no stress on
    the joints, it simply states that cable training puts less stress on
    the joints. The original question was about joint problems, so I was
    trying to tell the person how to exercise without stressing the joints
    AS MUCH, not to eliminate the stress.

  19. On 6 Jul 2005 06:05:14 -0700, "Sampson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The article referred to does not say cable training puts no stress on
    the joints, it simply states that cable training puts less stress on
    the joints. The original question was about joint problems, so I was
    trying to tell the person how to exercise without stressing the joints
    AS MUCH, not to eliminate the stress.

    OK. But if I use iron and don't lock out, I can place less stress on
    my joints. I lock out because I want to place stress on my joints and
    strengthen them. When I use rubber bands, I lock out for the same
    reason

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    JMW said:

    He disabled them by inserting hyphens. One leads to a members-only
    Usenet newsgroup:

    There's no such thing. It isn't Usenet. It might be owned by google
    or something.

    Seth
    --
    Don't ever masturbate after getting capsaicin on your hands. -- Patrick Arnold

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