salt tabs

"32 degrees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I can't remember who posted about taking "salt tablets" during a longer
endurance race but it got me to thinking.... why?

Why would you want to take these?
It would seem that you want MORE water, less salt to hydrate?

you've really done your research on this issue havent you? Google is your
friend.

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anyone have any GOOD answers here - scientific answers that is.

you want spoon feeding, not answers.

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JK

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salt tabs
Why would you want to take these?

Well, now, let's see here. What's sweat made of? Water and salt? Oh,
that must be why you need both. Good thing I was a rocket scientist in
the home country!

"32 degrees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I can't remember who posted about taking "salt tablets" during a longer
endurance race but it got me to thinking.... why?

Why would you want to take these?
It would seem that you want MORE water, less salt to hydrate?

anyone have any GOOD answers here - scientific answers that is.

i believes the hypotenuse of the right angle is compliant with the control
group that received a placebo and those micrscopic bacterium that infected
the astronomical unit were later discovered to be breeding they're progeny
quite copacetically underneath the manually propelled glutus retainer of Tom
Wheeler.

oh...GOOD scientific answer...nevermind.

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JK

"32 degrees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I can't remember who posted about taking "salt tablets" during a longer
endurance race but it got me to thinking.... why?

Why would you want to take these?
It would seem that you want MORE water, less salt to hydrate?

anyone have any GOOD answers here - scientific answers that is.

i believes the hypotenuse of the right angle is compliant with the control
group that received a placebo and those micrscopic bacterium that infected
the astronomical unit were later discovered to be breeding they're progeny
quite copacetically underneath the manually propelled glutus retainer of Tom
Wheeler.

oh...GOOD scientific answer...nevermind.

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JK

Yes, the answer is: you are an idiot.

"32 degrees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I can't remember who posted about taking "salt tablets" during a longer
endurance race but it got me to thinking.... why?

I'll assume you not a troll for a minute. Why? to stay alive.

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Why would you want to take these?
It would seem that you want MORE water, less salt to hydrate?

Either google r.r and look for the discussions on salt or look up
hypronatremia. Hint, when your sodium level gets too low from sweating
and/or drinking too much water, or in rarer cases ingesting too much
much salt, your stomach stop absorbing and you likely go through renal
shutdown.

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anyone have any GOOD answers here - scientific answers that is.

Not science but a real example -
http://www.geocities.com/madeads/hyponatremia.html

Ok some science
http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/archive/ultra-endurance.html
or http://www.princeton.edu/~oa/safety/hypocold.shtml
or http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/salt.html
or http://www.gssiweb.com/reflib/refs/51/d0000000200000043.cfm?pid=38

-DF

Thanks for the real answers Doug.
I liked the quote from your website ... "Of course, dehydration is often
associated with higher electrolyte (including sodium) concentrations, which
makes the common appearance of hyponatraemia seem surprising."

It is surprising to me - which is why I first asked the question. I am not
a troll or idiot. I am an experience marathoner and endurance athlete.

It seems as though all websites I found were related to ULTRA endurance
activities - 4-8-12-24 hours in length but my post originally was about a
simple 30km or so running race - <2 hours or so..... It would still seem to
me that salt tabs would INTERFERE with hydration in these shorter events so
I was looking for people's knowledge on this.

Anyway, thanks for the help doug.

PS. On my other newsgroup I got 4 good responses from members with sound
scientific advice. On rec.running I got called and idiot, told to use
google on my own, and told to stop asking for spoon feeding. Rudeness and
patronizing seem to be the key to being a good member at rec.running !!

JK

"Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"32 degrees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I can't remember who posted about taking "salt tablets" during a longer
endurance race but it got me to thinking.... why?

I'll assume you not a troll for a minute. Why? to stay alive.

Quoted message said:

Why would you want to take these?
It would seem that you want MORE water, less salt to hydrate?

Either google r.r and look for the discussions on salt or look up
hypronatremia. Hint, when your sodium level gets too low from sweating
and/or drinking too much water, or in rarer cases ingesting too much much
salt, your stomach stop absorbing and you likely go through renal
shutdown.

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anyone have any GOOD answers here - scientific answers that is.

Not science but a real example -
http://www.geocities.com/madeads/hyponatremia.html

Ok some science
http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/archive/ultra-endurance.html
or http://www.princeton.edu/~oa/safety/hypocold.shtml
or http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/salt.html
or http://www.gssiweb.com/reflib/refs/51/d0000000200000043.cfm?pid=38

-DF

JK,

Please don't take the rudeness as a representative of all r.r posters.
We've been flooded with trolls for a while now. You'll find out soon
enough who the regulars (good and bad) are.

Enjoy the run.
Ed

32 degrees said:

Thanks for the real answers Doug.
I liked the quote from your website ... "Of course, dehydration is
often associated with higher electrolyte (including sodium)
concentrations, which makes the common appearance of hyponatraemia
seem surprising."
It is surprising to me - which is why I first asked the question.

It's not really that surprising. If you lose a lot of water alone, your
salt *concentration* is bound to rise. Now you will normally always lose
some salt as well but because of the greater water loss, the concentration
of salt in your plasma will still rise, but less so. Your total body salt
will have dropped though and when you replace all that water you'll now be
in the dangerous position of having too low a concentration of salt in your
blood (and brain).

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I
am not a troll or idiot. I am an experience marathoner and endurance
athlete.

Well we know that *now*. ;-) Doug can be forgiven raising the troll issue
though because it is a subject that comes up very regularly here. That
said, the parlous state of this group these days because of troll activity
has made it much less attractive source of information.

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It seems as though all websites I found were related to ULTRA
endurance activities - 4-8-12-24 hours in length but my post
originally was about a simple 30km or so running race - <2 hours or
so.....

No it wasn't. You never mentioned distance in your original post.

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It would still seem to me that salt tabs would INTERFERE
with hydration in these shorter events so I was looking for people's
knowledge on this.

Why do you think that? I'm not saying you need salt for shorter distances
(if you're running in Death Valley all bets are off) but it's pretty well
accepted that having a bit of salt along with your sugars helps absorbtion.
I've never heard of it interfering with hydration.

Tim

32 degrees wrote:
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It seems as though all websites I found were related to ULTRA endurance
activities - 4-8-12-24 hours in length but my post originally was about a
simple 30km or so running race - <2 hours or so..... It would still seem to
me that salt tabs would INTERFERE with hydration in these shorter events so
I was looking for people's knowledge on this.

I was just thinking,

it still amazes me how we think of distances up to 10miles or more as
short when most folks think a mile or two is too far.

Ed

"32 degrees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It seems as though all websites I found were related to ULTRA
endurance activities - 4-8-12-24 hours in length but my post
originally was about a simple 30km or so running race - <2 hours or
so..... It would still seem to me that salt tabs would INTERFERE with
hydration in these shorter events so I was looking for people's
knowledge on this.

In a race of two hours the necessity for extra salt is less likely. A
typical sport drink in most heat/humidity conditions would be
sufficient. Of course extreme or sudden heat could increase one's
personal needs. OTOH, it would NOT interfere with absorption unless you
took way too much salt and frankly that's hard to do when you look at
the numbers.

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PS. On my other newsgroup I got 4 good responses from members with
sound scientific advice. On rec.running I got called and idiot, told
to use google on my own, and told to stop asking for spoon feeding.
Rudeness and patronizing seem to be the key to being a good member at
rec.running !!

We have an abundance of A-holes lately.

-DougF

Ed Prochak said:

32 degrees wrote:
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It seems as though all websites I found were related to ULTRA endurance
activities - 4-8-12-24 hours in length but my post originally was about a
simple 30km or so running race - <2 hours or so..... It would still seem to
me that salt tabs would INTERFERE with hydration in these shorter events so
I was looking for people's knowledge on this.

I was just thinking,

it still amazes me how we think of distances up to 10miles or more as
short when most folks think a mile or two is too far.

i am watching this transformation in myself. just a few years
ago, running 10K training was something we discussed for
the rest of the week. now, it's normal. always fun to talk with
non-runners and realize their perception of what
constitutes a long run is diametrically opposite to mine.
....thehick

Don't worry Ed. I've actually been around several years in rec.running and
I know the routine.
I'm just always amazed when the trolls jump me.
I had a nice run in with Thebillrogers and ....... oh man, forgot his name
now - some guy from England or somewhere European. He was good too. I
actually stick around and lurk usually just to see how rude the trolls can
be.

JK

"Ed Prochak" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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JK,

Please don't take the rudeness as a representative of all r.r posters.
We've been flooded with trolls for a while now. You'll find out soon
enough who the regulars (good and bad) are.

Enjoy the run.
Ed

Forget salt tabs. Urinal pucks are the new way to go. They last
longer, and your breath won't smell like ass when you're done with the
pansy parade.

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Forget salt tabs. Urinal pucks are the new way to go.

Ahem. Urinal *cakes* is the more widely used term... and "cake"
promises greater palatability than "puck".

http://tinyurl.com/6hktq

32 degrees said:

Don't worry Ed. I've actually been around several years in rec.running and
I know the routine.
I'm just always amazed when the trolls jump me.
I had a nice run in with Thebillrogers and ....... oh man, forgot his name
now - some guy from England or somewhere European. He was good too. I
actually stick around and lurk usually just to see how rude the trolls can
be.

JK

You mean Roger. He was an interesting, even if possibly ficticious, character.

--
Ed Prochak
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I took the one less travelled by
and that has made all the difference."
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