rec.sport.unicycling · Public discussion

New Skill Levels

Started by skate4flip · · Last activity · 12 posts · 289 views

This thread is locked and is currently read-only.

Thread navigation

Jump through the discussion

Go to the original post, the replies on this page, or the latest preserved contribution.

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
rec.sport.unicycling
Published
26 June 2005
Last activity
27 June 2005
Original author
skate4flip
Posts
12
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
289
Views / 30 days
0
Topics

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–12 of 12
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. I was looking at this site

    http://tinyurl.com/cwv63

    about the new skill levels. It said that riders were field testing the
    new skill levels now. Will the new or old skill levels be used NAUCC
    2005? Or both? This website also talks about the new USA, Inc.
    Unicycling Handbook that will explain more in depth about the new
    levels. Is this new handbook completed yet? If so i would like to see
    it. If anyone has a link to the new handbook please post it. Thanks

    --
    skate4flip - Almost level 4
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    skate4flip's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/10198
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41413

  2. Some of this seems quite silly.
    (Starting with the terminology: "Base 5 Blue"?)

    Why have people doing freemounting and idling at level 5, and then have
    to test them for 66 wheel revolutions at level 6? Surely anyone who can
    freemount and idle can ride forward.

    I think this system seems confusing and insular; what does "Artistic"
    mean to someone who's not been to NAUCC before? What are the division
    numbers? The current 10-level system is easy to understand, whether or
    not you're a member of TCUC.

    --
    tholub - Kinetic Sculptor
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    tholub's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/804
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41413

  3. Ya i think it is kind of confusing to understand but take a look at the
    orginzation chart of the new skill levels (its on the same site). The
    first six levels (like base 5 blue) are just the beginner/rider tier
    levels. I would like to see the full handbook if it is finished yet.

    --
    skate4flip - Almost level 4
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    skate4flip's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/10198
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41413

  4. skate4flip said:

    *Ya i think it is kind of confusing to understand but take a look at
    the orginzation chart of the new skill levels (its on the same site).
    The first six levels (like base 5 blue) are just the beginner/rider
    tier levels. I would like to see the full handbook if it is finished
    yet. *

    The organization chart doesn't help much. What does "Class" mean?
    That's not a word that contrasts with "Base." Why say "Tall" when you
    mean "Giraffe"?

    I would much rather see "Giraffe level 1-10" and "Freestyle level 1-10",
    etc..

    --
    tholub - Kinetic Sculptor
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    tholub's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/804
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41413

  5. tholub said:

    *The organization chart doesn't help much. What does "Class" mean?
    That's not a word that contrasts with "Base." Why say "Tall" when you
    mean "Giraffe"?

    I would much rather see "Giraffe level 1-10" and "Freestyle level
    1-10", etc.. *

    I think what you said about having Giraffe level 1-10 and Freestyle
    level 1-10 would make it much more simple. Maybe the bases are called
    bases because they are the basic skills (forward, idling, freemounting).
    I dont know why they used classes for the more intermediate and advanced
    stuff.

    --
    skate4flip - Almost level 4
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    skate4flip's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/10198
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41413

  6. A little off topic, but we've started fiddling with ratings per Muni
    trails down here in So Cal. It's impossible to rate Muni skills since
    they're terrain dependent; but having some rating beyond Beg., Int. and
    Advanced is helpful.

    Basically we're looking at two ratings: Difficulty, and endurance, or
    effort required. Difficulty goes from M1-M10, endurance from E1-E10. A
    grim but rather short trail like Saddle Rock would be M8, E6. A really
    hard and exhausting trail like Tunnel would be M9, E9.

    We'll see how this goes . . .

    JL

    --
    vivalargo - Santa Barbara Unicycle Club
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    vivalargo's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/5625
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41413

  7. vivalargo said:

    *Basically we're looking at two ratings: Difficulty, and endurance, or
    effort required. Difficulty goes from M1-M10, endurance from E1-E10.*

    Hmmm... I believe that rating scheme is 'already in use'
    (http://mtb.live.com/ratings.html).

    Not to be a smart-a** but why is there a need for something more than
    "green circle," "blue square," "black diamond?" Perhaps they could be
    augmented with a letter that indicates sustained difficulty "R" or
    life-threatening obstacles "X" as in climbing ratings, but I think
    placing a number on a ride is far too subjective.

    --
    maestro8 - Mad Scientists for World Domination

    Those are my principles. If you don't like those, I have others. --
    Groucho Marx
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    maestro8's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/7871
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41413

  8. skate4flip,

    The 'new' Skill Levels posted on Carol McLean's website have not been
    approved by the USA officers/members. They will not be used at NAUCC.

    The handbook that is being prepared as a guideline for the officers to
    approve hasn't been previewed by very many people outside of Carol's
    committee and isn't available for the public at this time.

    Connie

    --
    constance.cotter - Unicycling Newbie for 25 years
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    constance.cotter's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/9039
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41413

  9. Ok, thanks for the info. I mailed in my resigration and money to the USA
    today. Will i become a member before NAUCC? (The date is 6/26/05 and I
    live in IL)

    --
    skate4flip - Almost level 4
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    skate4flip's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/10198
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41413

  10. Yes, you will be a USA member before NAUCC.

    You may not receive your membership card and other materials*, but you
    will be a member. One of the USA officers can email you your membership
    number if you don't receive the materials before you leave for NAUCC.

    Connie

    * receiving membership card and other materials depends on how busy the
    USA officers are with their 'real' life and with other
    unicycling-related activities.

    --
    constance.cotter - Unicycling Newbie for 25 years
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    constance.cotter's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/9039
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41413

  11. maestro8 said:

    *Hmmm... I believe that rating scheme is 'already in use'
    (http://mtb.live.com/ratings.html).

    Not to be a smart-a** but why is there a need for something more than
    "green circle," "blue square," "black diamond?" Perhaps they could be
    augmented with a letter that indicates sustained difficulty "R" or
    life-threatening obstacles "X" as in climbing ratings, but I think
    placing a number on a ride is far too subjective. *

    I think it's an interesting idea; think of it like rock climbing, where
    the community has agreed on a rating system that is actually quite
    useful in letting climbers know what walls they should be targeting.

    Now, MUni doesn't have the same risks as climbing, and my view is that
    you won't get better at MUni unless you tackle things which are too hard
    for you. There is also quite a bit more variability in the terrain;
    there are some trails which are mostly easy to moderate but with one or
    two sections with log stairs or other fairly advanced technical
    features. Or look at something like the Slickrock Trail, which is
    totally different depending on the line you take. So it's a tough
    problem, but I applaud the effort.

    --
    tholub - Kinetic Sculptor
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    tholub's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/804
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41413

  12. tholub said:

    *I think it's an interesting idea; think of it like rock climbing,
    where the community has agreed on a rating system that is actually
    quite useful in letting climbers know what walls they should be
    targeting.

    Now, MUni doesn't have the same risks as climbing, and my view is that
    you won't get better at MUni unless you tackle things which are too
    hard for you. There is also quite a bit more variability in the
    terrain; there are some trails which are mostly easy to moderate but
    with one or two sections with log stairs or other fairly advanced
    technical features. Or look at something like the Slickrock Trail,
    which is totally different depending on the line you take. So it's a
    tough problem, but I applaud the effort. *

    This issue partly came up because in a few short months the Santa
    Barbara Unicycle Club will be hosting the next California Muni Weekend
    and orgainzer Eyal H. was struggling with what trails to orgainze as
    group rides and what trails to not even mention-- fearing that if
    someone who spent time and money just wanting a great time, and was
    somehow directed to Tunnel or Saddle Rock, bad things might happen. If
    there was some kind of standardized rating system, and the trails each
    had a rating (by concensus), then folks could judge for themselves what
    was appropriate. As is, it's all just word of mouth. Simply put, word
    of mouth, or a vague, three-tiered rating system is the best way for
    folks to get sandbagged. I did.

    On my first trip to SB my Muni experience consisted of a few weeks of
    riding up and down groomed fire roads. Suddenly I found myself trying
    to negotiate steep switchbacks, narrow, angled U turns over shale and
    boulders with 200 foot cliff plunges on the downhill side and I feared
    for my fricking life. Eyal was just starting to get really good and he
    flew off one turn and only posponed his own funeral by grabbing the
    shank end of a flexing sappling as his Muni freefell to the next
    switchback far below. A couple weekends later, on another trail, a guy
    busted his lower leg in two. Fact is, you can get really worked on grim
    Muni tracks, even if you're a total expert.

    I think a rating system of some sort could work just as it works in rock
    climbing. The rating is arrived at through concensus and over time the
    various grades get standardized. There's an enormous range of terrain
    and techniques encountered in climbing, from slab climbs to steep face
    stuff to cracks of every size, all on rock that varies a whole lot from
    area to area. But the rating system does work and gives climbers a
    benchmark to work off and dream grades to work towards.

    There's probably no more than two or three hundred Americans really
    going after hard Muni, but as the sport catches on, a rating system of
    some sort will surely evolve. In climbing, a rating tends to build a
    mystique around a given route, and in that way, this or that climb gets
    a legendary reputation. And that makes the game all the more
    interesting.

    Just a few rambling thoughts . . .

    JL

    --
    vivalargo - Santa Barbara Unicycle Club
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    vivalargo's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/5625
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41413

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.