Ullrich sucks...

I am disappointed with Ullrich and Lances performance in the td suisse
and the Dauphine Libre..............I think it increases the chance
that a outsider could win this year............

It's getting pretty late in the game
now.........................Realistically Lance and Jan have roughly
1-1/2 weeks to get ready for tour and rest a bit before the tdf
begins.............

Lance does have a bit of a advantage, since he had extra week to
train............ Three weeks is enough for Lance to get in the form he
needs to be.......... In any case it will be a interesting tdf this
year...........

Keith said:

..I'm a big fan of the Ullrich but I'm watching the llast stage of the
Tour of Switzerland and the least that can be said is that he's not
very impressive, being dropped by Terminaitor Gonzales (nice come back
by the way) and Rodgers. I guess these days, the TdF contenders are
pogrammed to peak just for the second week of the TdF, but it's hard
to believe he'll be able to keep up with Armstrong or even Botero in
the first mountain stages.

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I am disappointed with Ullrich and Lances performance in the td suisse
and the Dauphine Libre..............I think it increases the chance
that a outsider could win this year............

There are NO outsiders who will ride the tour. What !? you have a betting
parlor ?
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Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-seine FR

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I am disappointed with Ullrich and Lances performance in the td suisse
and the Dauphine Libre..............I think it increases the chance
that a outsider could win this year............

It's considered acceptable these days to end your sentences with a
single small dot. Even the ellipsis has only three small dots. Give the
key a rest...

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Quoted message said:

I am disappointed with Ullrich and Lances performance in the td suisse
and the Dauphine Libre..............I think it increases the chance
that a outsider could win this year............

It's getting pretty late in the game
now.........................Realistically Lance and Jan have roughly
1-1/2 weeks to get ready for tour and rest a bit before the tdf
begins.............

Lance does have a bit of a advantage, since he had extra week to
train............ Three weeks is enough for Lance to get in the form he
needs to be.......... In any case it will be a interesting tdf this
year...........

I..........have a..........really........hard time.............understanding
what...........you are......................
trying.........................to..........................................say...................................

"Keith" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| ..I'm a big fan of the Ullrich but I'm watching the llast stage of the
| Tour of Switzerland and the least that can be said is that he's not
| very impressive, being dropped by Terminaitor Gonzales (nice come back
| by the way) and Rodgers. I guess these days, the TdF contenders are
| pogrammed to peak just for the second week of the TdF, but it's hard
| to believe he'll be able to keep up with Armstrong or even Botero in
| the first mountain stages.

I think he's ok. He's got the power. He won the TT, beating the current
World TT Champ along the way. Better to come into the tour a bit under than
over. He usually rides himself into shape during the 3 weeks. One could ask
equally if Lance can avoid losing too much time to Ullrich in the TT...

Dauphiné-
Armstrong- 4th @ :59
No Stage wins

TdS
Ullrich 3rd at 1:36
1 stage Win

Ullrich couldn't stay with the best on the HC climb. Neither could Armstrong
keep up with Vino on the HC Ventoux.

I don't think either one can be said to have really shown an advantage up
til now.

On the other hand, Discovery has definitely shown more than T-Mobile this
season

"Keith" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| ..I'm a big fan of the Ullrich but I'm watching the llast stage of the
| Tour of Switzerland and the least that can be said is that he's not
| very impressive, being dropped by Terminaitor Gonzales (nice come back
| by the way) and Rodgers. I guess these days, the TdF contenders are
| pogrammed to peak just for the second week of the TdF, but it's hard
| to believe he'll be able to keep up with Armstrong or even Botero in
| the first mountain stages.

I think he's ok. He's got the power. He won the TT, beating the current
World TT Champ along the way. Better to come into the tour a bit under than
over. He usually rides himself into shape during the 3 weeks. One could ask
equally if Lance can avoid losing too much time to Ullrich in the TT...

Dauphiné-
Armstrong- 4th @ :59
No Stage wins

TdS
Ullrich 3rd at 1:36
1 stage Win

Ullrich couldn't stay with the best on the HC climb. Neither could Armstrong
keep up with Vino on the HC Ventoux.

I don't think either one can be said to have really shown an advantage up
til now.

On the other hand, Discovery has definitely shown more than T-Mobile this
season

I tend to agree, but climbing is probably easier to improve upon than
time trial skills with so little time to go.

I would have to say that Jan has a slight advantage over Lance at this
point............

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"Keith" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| ..I'm a big fan of the Ullrich but I'm watching the llast stage of the
| Tour of Switzerland and the least that can be said is that he's not
| very impressive, being dropped by Terminaitor Gonzales (nice come back
| by the way) and Rodgers. I guess these days, the TdF contenders are
| pogrammed to peak just for the second week of the TdF, but it's hard
| to believe he'll be able to keep up with Armstrong or even Botero in
| the first mountain stages.

I think he's ok. He's got the power. He won the TT, beating the current
World TT Champ along the way. Better to come into the tour a bit under

than

Quoted message said:

over. He usually rides himself into shape during the 3 weeks. One could

ask

Quoted message said:

equally if Lance can avoid losing too much time to Ullrich in the TT...

Dauphiné-
Armstrong- 4th @ :59
No Stage wins

TdS
Ullrich 3rd at 1:36
1 stage Win

Ullrich couldn't stay with the best on the HC climb. Neither could

Armstrong

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keep up with Vino on the HC Ventoux.

I don't think either one can be said to have really shown an advantage up
til now.

On the other hand, Discovery has definitely shown more than T-Mobile this
season

What about Lances ability to suffer when needed ? We've seen Jan climb off
time and again, he's a softee ( a kid that cries in the sandbox when pushed
by another kid, a [censored], a mommas boy ); I don't think Lance wants to lose
to a guy like that, as a matter of self-respect. We will see; but I don't
think it's going to be a Lance vs Jan race, maybe a Vinokorov vs. Basso

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I am disappointed with Ullrich and Lances performance in the td suisse
and the Dauphine Libre..............I think it increases the chance
that a outsider could win this year............

Now that would really be unfortunate. Imagine having to bite our nails while
6 or 8 riders vie for the Yellow Jersey.

Unacceptable I say.

Quoted message said:

I think he's ok. He's got the power. He won the TT, beating the current
World TT Champ along the way. Better to come into the tour a bit under than
over. He usually rides himself into shape during the 3 weeks.

Normally he gets in shape after the Tour

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One could ask
equally if Lance can avoid losing too much time to Ullrich in the TT...

I don't know why everybody was so excited about Ulrich's TT. He won it
with only 15'. I don't find that impressive at all. He won the TT, no
more no less. Given the fact that his TT should compensate his
problematic climbing, it's defenitely not good enough to challenge the
real Tour contenders.

Quoted message said:

Dauphiné-
Armstrong- 4th @ :59
No Stage wins

TdS
Ullrich 3rd at 1:36
1 stage Win

Ullrich couldn't stay with the best on the HC climb. Neither could Armstrong
keep up with Vino on the HC Ventoux.

That was 1 stage. The other stages, Armstrong was always able to
bridge the gap when Vino attacked. Armstrong was growing as race went
on.
And to me, the competition at the dauphine was higher. Let's nog
forget the dauphine ended a week earlier than the Tour de Suisse, which
left Armstrong 1 week more to do extra or specific training sessions.
I'm no LA fan and i still have some doubts but considering Ulrich i
don't even have doubts about him anymore. It's clear. From the moment
you see Guerini dragging Ulrich over the mountains, you know it's just
the same old Ulrich as the last years riding for a virtual tour
victory.

Quoted message said:

I don't think either one can be said to have really shown an advantage up
til now.

On the other hand, Discovery has definitely shown more than T-Mobile this
season

hizark21 said:

Quoted message said:

I am disappointed with Ullrich and Lances performance in the td suisse
and the Dauphine Libre..............I think it increases the chance
that a outsider could win this year............

Kyle Legate said:

It's considered acceptable these days to end your sentences with a
single small dot. Even the ellipsis has only three small dots. Give the
key a rest...

Its morse code without the dashes. There's a secret message from al qaeda
hidden away somewhere in there..........

"Kenny" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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From the moment
you see Guerini dragging Ulrich over the mountains, you know it's just
the same old Ulrich as the last years riding for a virtual tour
victory.

You mean that Armstrong didn't have a single teammate that could stay with
him when the road went upwards, in comparison to Ullrich. 🙂

Jan is enjoying life, now that Gabby is out of his life. The downside
is that Gabby is the one that lit a fire under his ass, as she was the
greedy one. Jan is happy, if he has a mug of beer and hot dog, he has no
greed to live large.

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Quoted message said:

Ullrich couldn't stay with the best on the HC climb. Neither could Armstrong
keep up with Vino on the HC Ventoux.

That was 1 stage. The other stages, Armstrong was always able to
bridge the gap when Vino attacked. Armstrong was growing as race went
on.
And to me, the competition at the dauphine was higher. Let's nog
forget the dauphine ended a week earlier than the Tour de Suisse, which
left Armstrong 1 week more to do extra or specific training sessions.
I'm no LA fan and i still have some doubts but considering Ulrich i
don't even have doubts about him anymore. It's clear. From the moment
you see Guerini dragging Ulrich over the mountains, you know it's just
the same old Ulrich as the last years riding for a virtual tour
victory.

Same feelings here...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't think either one can be said to have really shown an advantage up
til now.

On the other hand, Discovery has definitely shown more than T-Mobile this
season

trg said:

"Keith" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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| ..I'm a big fan of the Ullrich but I'm watching the llast stage of the
| Tour of Switzerland and the least that can be said is that he's not
| very impressive, being dropped by Terminaitor Gonzales (nice come back
| by the way) and Rodgers. I guess these days, the TdF contenders are
| pogrammed to peak just for the second week of the TdF, but it's hard
| to believe he'll be able to keep up with Armstrong or even Botero in
| the first mountain stages.

I think he's ok. He's got the power. He won the TT, beating the current
World TT Champ along the way. Better to come into the tour a bit under than
over. He usually rides himself into shape during the 3 weeks. One could ask
equally if Lance can avoid losing too much time to Ullrich in the TT...

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I think ullrich figured that last year he blew up too much in the TDS,
and then it cost him in the tour. ALso he ended up getting sick, which
isn't exactly planned. He won the TT, and he said himself he didn't
want to kill himself to hang onto the yellow.

He looked good last year at TDS as well, let's hope he stays away from
his sick kid. Kids BAD!