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  1. are the police in your towns bias to unicycling becouse me and evan
    dunbar-trials uni were riding in a park and riding on some ledges and
    this secerity gaurd is like to us its time for you to leave and we
    ignored him and rode to another part of the park and i was tring this
    line and he gets this other gaurd to come and kick us out and he like
    follows us out anser this question and would you tell some probablems
    you have hade with police and security

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  2. security guards aren't even real police. they are like dogs, you can
    totally mess with them if you ride near the perimeter.

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  3. bias police town mine none have never kicked anywhere from been smiles
    sometimes get

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  4. Ha ha. Nice JJuggle, nice.

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  5. After five hours of laughing at JJuggle.... I'm going to say that YOU
    have the problem with security guards. You're on private property. They
    CAN call real police to assist the situation, if you decide not to
    listen to them.

    Never get an attitude with guards/police. If you do, they will always
    give you, AND ANYONE ELSE on a uni (because riding a wheel, you're
    pretty noticable), a hard time, and they will expect behavior exhibited
    by YOU from other unicyclists. I know that makes no sense, but it
    happens - think about the stereotypes that go along with a skateboarder.
    You don't want to start any negative unicycle stereotypes.

    Try to find a time to ride when the business is shutdown, like 4 in the
    morning or a sunday. Sundays are good for banks and government buildings
    - post offices, court houses, etc.

    The security guards are not 'biased' against unicycling. That's the most
    immature interpretation of their behavior you could give, other than
    calling them big meanie heads. Their job is to keep trespassing and
    loitering to a minimum. Personaly, they might have nothing against you,
    but if they want to eat, they have to do their job.

    Most security guards have been pretty nice to me, most likely because no
    one else rides a unicycle in my town. Just agree politely and find
    another place to ride.

    Dave

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  6. fcwegnm0b said:

    *
    Never get an attitude with guards/police. If you do, they will always
    give you, AND ANYONE ELSE on a uni (because riding a wheel, you're
    pretty noticable), a hard time, and they will expect behavior
    exhibited by YOU from other unicyclists. I know that makes no sense,
    but it happens - think about the stereotypes that go along with a
    skateboarder. You don't want to start any negative unicycle
    stereotypes.

    Dave *

    Probably shouldn't ride in Atlanta anymore if you are on a unicycle
    then. :eek: 😄

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  7. Oh yeah, police are different. Always do what the guys with badges tell
    you, and don't talk back. You'll be happier for it.

    I'm a skateboarder as well, so maybe that is why I already have a sour
    attitude about security guards :-) hehe

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  8. With haunted hearts through the heat and cold,
    We never thought we could ever get old.
    We thought we could sit forever in fun
    But our chances really was a million to one.

    As easy it was to tell black from white,
    It was all that easy to tell wrong from right...

    JJuggle said:

    *Our choices they were few so the thought never hit,
    that the one road we traveled would ever shatter or split. *

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  9. fcwegnm0b said:

    *think about the stereotypes that go along with a skateboarder.*

    whats wrong with skaters? 😕

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  10. HistoricalGoof said:

    *With haunted hearts through the heat and cold,
    We never thought we could ever get old.
    We thought we could sit forever in fun
    But our chances really was a million to one.

    As easy it was to tell black from white,
    It was all that easy to tell wrong from right... *


    Bobby had some wicked, beautiful, poignant dreams.

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  11. fcwegnm0b said:

    *The security guards are not 'biased' against unicycling. That's the
    most immature interpretation of their behavior you could give, other
    than calling them big meanie heads. Their job is to keep trespassing
    and loitering to a minimum.*


    And perhaps even more so, their job is to keep the business from
    lawsuits from people who get hurt on company property. Being on the
    property is one thing. Doing something where you can potentially break
    bones or worse is an even bigger potential problem.

    Unfortunately, saying you'll never sue someone carries absolutely no
    legal weight. Even if you say you won't, your parents or even your
    insurance company may do it anyway.

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  12. drewation said:

    *whats wrong with skaters? *

    I'm a skater turned unicyclist.. so I can say from experience that you
    (and by 'you' I mean me - teenager with long hair) get treated MUCH
    differently if you have a skateboard than a unicycle. A business owner
    seeing a skater on their property assumes his property will be
    vandalized/detroyed.... in my small town at least, carrying a skating
    carries a very negative connotation with it.

    Nothing is 'wrong' with skaters, there's just very bad stereotypes that
    go along with a skateboard... the movie 'Grind' comes to mind... and
    like any stereotype, there is a small element of truth, but for the most
    part its completely false.

    John - I completely forgot about that whole liability part, thanks.

    Dave

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  13. Eh, I don't know what exactly did it down at that park that night.

    As soon as we parked and got out, we were met with shady reception.
    This has never happened to Kenny, or me before. Which is something the
    security guard said he "highly doubts."

    It was weird how we were never given specific rules at first, but were
    called out so early on by the man. He told us not to "linger," which
    could mean any number of things--and didn't make much sense, considering
    a kids baseball game was going on at one end of the park, and a city
    band rehearsal at the other end.

    I'm 19, and I was with the two ten-year-olds--and Kenny's twin was on a
    skateboard.

    I asked if it was okay if we road around the park, and that we just
    wouldn't stay in one particular area too long. He said okay.

    As time went on, when we did get kicked out, the reason wasn't clear. I
    wasn't even approached, it was my ten-year-old companions. The two
    guards acted cocky, and were pulling rules out of a magic hat somewhere.
    Because all of a sudden, when I asked why, they said "skateboards
    aren't allowed down here."

    My town is a small town. Some police don't care, some do. Some
    security guards care, some do. In that park, there is one guard in
    particular who hates skateboarders flat out. There are some cops that
    hand out $100 tickets, and some that tell skaters to move on. And in
    accordance with the small town mentality, things do become biased. Some
    of the city's comissioned security guards do, sadly to say this, have
    power trips. People in this town brown nose each other one minute, and
    talk behind others backs the next. Some are buddy-buddy and do favors
    for each other. This is no joke. Never move to this town! It's goofy
    and socio-political like this. Everyone knows each other. The people
    with money, really run things around here, and it's funny to watch
    others suck up to them, because if you have money in this town, you
    control its operations.

    Bah, anyway. They didn't even mention the unicycles. I was angry and
    spoke in a polite, but straight forward manner with both of the guards
    for automatically assuming we were going to be trouble makers.

    The guard that spoke to us when we arrived at the park, was at a bench
    staring and not only that but glaring at us hard, incessantly. The
    other fellow was smiling. The one on the bench got the other fellow to
    tell us to leave. He practically escorted us out, and the kids said
    that while I was loading our equipment into the car, he was carefully
    writing my license plate number down.

    Over a week and a half ago, these gentlemen never spoke a word to us
    three. Never! They just watched what we were doing the whole time with
    that glaring blank expression.

    I feel that we could have been approached more straight-forward, and
    professionally from the get-go. It was as if we were targeted. I
    understand about being a liability. That's fine. But they were never
    upfront with rules. There are no signs in the park, either. It was
    like they were purposefully and personally trying to get rid of us,
    because they needed a little drama for their shift.

    Evan

    PS: Lesson learned: "I've had no trouble here in the mornings"
    --"That's because no one's down here then"--Then I give the guard a
    smile, thinking 'that's the only time I'm ever coming down here, again.
    You won't see me.'

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  14. I know what you're talking about with the small town... I live in one of
    three towns nestled in a valley, with just over 15,000 people total. If
    you don't know someone, you at least know their family.

    I've never had a real problem with cops. I do have story, though. One
    night - probably around 2 am or so - I rode down to the donut shop to
    meet my friends. Parked out front was (I swear I'm not making this up)
    was 3 cop cars, with probably 8 or 9 local cops inside just BS-ing their
    shifts away.

    They gave me the usual 'how do you stay up on that thing' comments,
    laughing. One cop bet another 5 bucks that he couldn't ride it.. so I
    said I'd chip in another 5. I can still hear the one guy "ok man all you
    hafta do is ride to the street and you get ten bucks"... it was a good
    laugh for everyone.

    For cops, it really depends on their mood, I think... and if you've been
    an [censored] in the past or not.

    Dave

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  15. TrialsUni said:

    *Never move to this town! It's goofy and socio-political like this.
    *


    Which town? Your avatar mentions two. Kalamazoo, or the one where we've
    had two National Unicycle Conventions?

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  16. fcwegnm0b said:

    *I know what you're talking about with the small town... I live in one
    of three towns nestled in a valley, with just over 15,000 people
    total. If you don't know someone, you at least know their family.
    Dave *

    I live in a village of approx 1100 people. Most everyone knows most
    everyone else. And there are no police or security guards!

    (On the other hand, there is some vandalism of our kids' park...)

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  17. I'm amazed you've got 1100 residents & still call it a village! Mines
    only got around 250 or so, maximum. I was looking for the definition of
    a village, and found the Wikipedia 'entry'
    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village). I love the fact that America has
    rules about what is/isn't a village... Villages have to be less than 5
    square miles in size (in New York state), but in Ohio there are no area
    limitations but they have to have less than 5000 inhabitants... In the
    UK at least its kind of made up as we go along. Something to do with the
    sense of community & where the majority of the inhabitants get their
    income (agricultural/non-employed = village, industrial/commerce =
    town)

    Loose.

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  18. our village has over 1000 people and like what s7ev0 said, everyone
    knows everyone else. the police come round quite often to go patrol one
    street mainly and to do speed checks. me and joe were going 6mph. the
    police don't mind us unicyclists as we don't tend to do much to annoy
    them.

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  19. Loosemoose said:

    *I'm amazed you've got 1100 residents & still call it a village! Mines
    only got around 250 or so, maximum..... I love the fact that America
    has rules about what is/isn't a village... Villages have to be less
    than 5 square miles in size (in New York state), but in Ohio there are
    no area limitations but they have to have less than 5000
    inhabitants... In the UK at least its kind of made up as we go along.

    Loose. *

    Yes, and to confuse matters further, our village has a Town Hall.
    😕

    Apologies for the threadjack.

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  20. johnfoss said:

    *Which town? Your avatar mentions two. Kalamazoo, or the one where
    we've had two National Unicycle Conventions? *

    You've had TWO NUC's in Adrian? Of all the places to host a NUC, I
    would think my hometown would be the least likely location. Yes,
    Adrian. (I learned to ride a year after the '99 NUC. A classmate at my
    high school made me aware that an event took place here--Otherwise, I
    wouldn't have known. It's funny how some things work out.)

    I've yet to ride downtown Kalamazoo. But, WMU has given me no problems.
    I've seen one security guard, who was watching a set of stairs shaped
    in a way that resembles an old roman ampitheater. I was debating
    whether to ride down the stairs or not. Instead, I rode by, without a
    word exchanged between us.

    With a little creativity, and versitility the campus is good for urban
    trials. There are even a few natty trials lines to be found.

    Later,
    Evan

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