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  1. Original post
    trg
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    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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    | Seems a bit strange that cyclingnews.com coverage would make a point of
    | Bradley being only two seconds out of first place. With some really
    | hard climbing stages coming up in the Tour de Suisse there's no chance
    | of him have EVER doing anything but getting a sprinters jersey colored
    | yellow.
    |
    | Now I like McGee but a stage win was what he was there for and that's
    | what he got. Kudoes for that.
    |
    | I just think it's a little weird to make anything out of wearing a
    | leaders jersey for that sort of thing so early in a race.
    |
    | Not that there's anything wrong with that of course.....
    |
    | (A leaders jersey is something of value in my opinion. Just that it is
    | more a personal achievement of the rider in question and not of concern
    | to fans.)

    You haven't been paying attention. McGee is (trying to) turn himself into a
    GC contender. And FdJ supports him in it. He's there for a high overall GC,
    the stage win was a plus (FdJ has Cooke and Eisel for stage wins). In fact
    FdJ didn't want him to take the yellow jersey so they wouldn't have to
    defend it, so McGee hasn't tried to get the 2 bonus seconds in sprints or
    finishing above Ullrich in a finish.

    He did pretty well in last year's Giro (7th or 8th wasn't it?) without
    training specifically for a GC placement. This year his training and racing
    has been targeted to getting a good overall in the Tour. FdJ is backing him
    on it.

    I found his ITT result in the Tour de Suisse this year very impressive. He's
    made even better progress than Basso has. Up until now, he's been a prologue
    specialist, but to finish with 15 seconds of an on form Ullrich (and higher
    than the current World Champ Rogers ) in a long ITT is fantastic. Tomorrow
    is the real test for him, to see how he handles the high mountains. I hope
    he'll pleasantly surprise there like he did in the TT.

    Go Brad!

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  2. Ewoud Dronkert
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    trg said:

    I found his ITT result in the Tour de Suisse this year very impressive.

    He was the only rider faster than Ullrich on the second part of the
    course.

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  3. gym.gravity
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    Ewoud Dronkert said:
    trg said:

    I found his ITT result in the Tour de Suisse this year very impressive.

    He was the only rider faster than Ullrich on the second part of the
    course.

    TT winners often go faster in the second half than the first, IIRC from
    some of those Chung Charts(tm)

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  4. Email address hidden
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    gym.gravity said:
    Ewoud Dronkert said:
    trg said:

    I found his ITT result in the Tour de Suisse this year very impressive.

    He was the only rider faster than Ullrich on the second part of the
    course.

    TT winners often go faster in the second half than the first, IIRC from
    some of those Chung Charts(tm)

    the winners (usually) go faster then the losers in the second half.

    ie. starting fast is a bad way to pace a TT.

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  5. trg
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    "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    trg said:

    I found his ITT result in the Tour de Suisse this year very impressive.

    He was the only rider faster than Ullrich on the second part of the
    course.


    Even more impressive.

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  6. Tom Kunich
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    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    gym.gravity said:
    Ewoud Dronkert said:

    On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:39:19 +0200, trg wrote:
    > I found his ITT result in the Tour de Suisse this year very
    > impressive.

    He was the only rider faster than Ullrich on the second part of the
    course.

    TT winners often go faster in the second half than the first, IIRC from
    some of those Chung Charts(tm)

    the winners (usually) go faster then the losers in the second half.

    ie. starting fast is a bad way to pace a TT.

    Tell that to Jan and Lance.

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  7. amit
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    Tom Kunich said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the winners (usually) go faster then the losers in the second half.

    ie. starting fast is a bad way to pace a TT.

    Tell that to Jan and Lance.

    dumbass,

    don't even try.

    you're not the type of guy that goes back examines all the split times
    from the TTs.

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  8. Robert Chung
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    gym.gravity said:


    TT winners often go faster in the second half than the first, IIRC from
    some of those Chung Charts(tm)

    I don't think that's quite right. I think that people who do well on TTs
    generally go slower in the second half but degrade less. There aren't too
    many "two-loop" TTs, but the 2003 World TT and the Oly TT were two of them
    (they've become notorious for other reasons since then):
    http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/olytt.png
    http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/world2003tt.png

    Here are two non-loop TTs (which means that you can't directly compare the
    first leg and second leg speeds) that have also become a bit notorious:
    http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/vuelta04tt8.png
    http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/vuelta04tt15.png
    In both of these stages the first leg had more climbing so the second leg
    was faster.

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  9. gym.gravity
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    Robert Chung said:
    gym.gravity said:


    TT winners often go faster in the second half than the first, IIRC from
    some of those Chung Charts(tm)

    I don't think that's quite right. I think that people who do well on TTs
    generally go slower in the second half but degrade less. There aren't too
    many "two-loop" TTs, but the 2003 World TT and the Oly TT were two of them
    (they've become notorious for other reasons since then):
    http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/olytt.png
    http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/world2003tt.png

    Here are two non-loop TTs (which means that you can't directly compare the
    first leg and second leg speeds) that have also become a bit notorious:
    http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/vuelta04tt8.png
    http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/vuelta04tt15.png
    In both of these stages the first leg had more climbing so the second leg
    was faster.

    I guess by "faster" I meant relative to the competition. All of those
    time trials, the winner was the fastest on the second half, even
    Millar, he said he knew he had it won after one lap and he cruised the
    second. Where are the splits for the Tour de Suisse TT? The splits
    for the Giro TT's are at cyclingnews...

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  10. jc
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    trg said:

    You haven't been paying attention. McGee is (trying to) turn himself into a
    GC contender. And FdJ supports him in it. He's there for a high overall GC,
    the stage win was a plus (FdJ has Cooke and Eisel for stage wins). In fact
    FdJ didn't want him to take the yellow jersey so they wouldn't have to
    defend it, so McGee hasn't tried to get the 2 bonus seconds in sprints or
    finishing above Ullrich in a finish.

    He did pretty well in last year's Giro (7th or 8th wasn't it?) without
    training specifically for a GC placement. This year his training and racing
    has been targeted to getting a good overall in the Tour. FdJ is backing him
    on it.

    Yes, he was eighth in last year's Giro, and placed high in several
    stages along the way. He was supposed to be peaking for the Tour, and
    took an unplanned detour up the Giro GC. I guess this year it's all
    about the Tour, and he is certainly riding well in the Switzerland at
    the moment. From pursuiter to grand tour rider, who'd have thought?!
    Interesting to see how it works out.

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  11. Dr. Sisyphus Frankenstein
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    gym.gravity said:
    Quoted message said:

    I guess by "faster" I meant relative to the competition.

    Weasel.

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