TDF Centenaire standings

Peter Barker said:

I've just been looking at the official T-d-F web site -- there's a listing there for the
Centenaire standings.

Qu'est ce que c'est que ca??

It's in one of the newsflashes today.

Aparently it is the rider with the best standings in the days that end at the same places as the
original 1903 Tour.

100,000EUR at stake

Regards,

Tim.

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I've just been looking at the official T-d-F web site -- there's a listing there for the
Centenaire standings.

Qu'est ce que c'est que ca??

From the official site: 14 H 45 - Cooke Also Leads 'Classement du Centenaire' The leader of the
sprint classification, Baden Cooke, is also winning the special prize called 'Classement du
Centenaire'. The leader of this classification is determined by the best-placed rider in the cities
which hosted stage finishes of the original Tour in 1903. Cooke was second (to Petacchi) in the
stage to Lyon, but the Fassa Bortolo rider abandoned the race in stage seven. The cities which offer
points in this classification (worth 100,000 Euro!) is determined in the cities of Lyon, Marseilles,
Toulouse, Bordeaux, Nantes and Paris. The winner in each of these cities wins 1,903 Euro.

Mark

Peter Barker said:

I've just been looking at the official T-d-F web site -- there's a listing there for the
Centenaire standings.

Qu'est ce que c'est que ca??

C'est pour les... It's taken from finishing positions for each of the stages which featured in the
1903 Tour. It looks as though they'll add the finishing positions together, and the rider with the
smallest total in Paris will be the winner. Hence Baden Cooke currently leads, having finished
second in Lyon - Petacchi having abandoned.

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Peter Barker said:

I've just been looking at the official T-d-F web site -- there's a listing there for the
Centenaire standings.

Qu'est ce que c'est que ca??

C'est pour les... It's taken from finishing positions for each of the stages which featured in the
1903 Tour. It looks as though they'll add the finishing positions together, and the rider with the
smallest total in Paris will be the winner. Hence Baden Cooke currently leads, having finished
second in Lyon - Petacchi having abandoned.

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Merci buttercup to all.

Pete

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Peter Barker said:

I've just been looking at the official T-d-F web site -- there's a

listing

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there for the Centenaire standings.

Qu'est ce que c'est que ca??

It's in one of the newsflashes today.

Aparently it is the rider with the best standings in the days that end at the same places as the
original 1903 Tour.

100,000EUR at stake

66 million francs!

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Peter Barker said:

I've just been looking at the official T-d-F web site -- there's a

listing

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there for the Centenaire standings.

Qu'est ce que c'est que ca??

It's in one of the newsflashes today.

Aparently it is the rider with the best standings in the days that

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at the same places as the original 1903 Tour.

100,000EUR at stake

66 million francs!

No, your arithmetic must be a little off: 154,964.28 CHF according to
xe.com.

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:50:15 +0100, Peter Barker <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I've just been looking at the official T-d-F web site -- there's a

listing

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> there for the Centenaire standings.
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> Qu'est ce que c'est que ca??
>
It's in one of the newsflashes today.

Aparently it is the rider with the best standings in the days that

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at the same places as the original 1903 Tour.

100,000EUR at stake

66 million francs!

No, your arithmetic must be a little off: 154,964.28 CHF according to
xe.com.

And only 6.6 million of the old FFR, too.

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> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:50:15 +0100, Peter Barker <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > I've just been looking at the official T-d-F web site -- there's a
listing
> > there for the Centenaire standings.
> >
> > Qu'est ce que c'est que ca??
> >
> It's in one of the newsflashes today.
>
> Aparently it is the rider with the best standings in the days that

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> at the same places as the original 1903 Tour.
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> 100,000EUR at stake

66 million francs!

No, your arithmetic must be a little off: 154,964.28 CHF according to
xe.com.

And only 6.6 million of the old FFR, too.

Sorry I had to work that out.... 100,000 *6.6 = 660 thousand 1959-2002 FFs 100,000 *660= 66 million
pre 1959 FFs - a currency which is just as alive in the minds of many French people as new Francs.

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> > > I've just been looking at the official T-d-F web site --

there's a

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> listing
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> > > Qu'est ce que c'est que ca??
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> > It's in one of the newsflashes today.
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> > Aparently it is the rider with the best standings in the days

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> 66 million francs!

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to

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xe.com.

And only 6.6 million of the old FFR, too.

Sorry I had to work that out.... 100,000 *6.6 = 660 thousand 1959-2002 FFs 100,000 *660= 66
million pre 1959 FFs - a currency which is just as

alive in

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the minds of many French people as new Francs.

That is to say, "dead". If you want francs you have to go to the Swiss, they are the only ones that
have them now.

Either that or we should list racing prizes in early roman denarii....
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That is to say, "dead". If you want francs you have to go to the Swiss, they are the only ones that
have them now.

Don't they still use the CFA franc in western and central Africa?
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And only 6.6 million of the old FFR, too.

But 66,000,000 anciens francs! (pre 1961) All the best Dan Gregory

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100,000 *660= 66 million pre 1959 FFs - a currency which is just as

alive in

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the minds of many French people as new Francs.

That is to say, "dead". If you want francs you have to go to the Swiss, they are the only ones
that have them now.

"Dead" - as in not legal for use in commerce? Is the pound or the inch "dead"? People will know what
you mean if you quote prices in either FF or pre'59 FFs At the current rate, this means that they
are likely to still quote things in terms of FFs in the late 21st century.

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Either that or we should list racing prizes in early roman denarii....

do you know anyone who could understand figures in that currency?

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South <[email hidden]> writes

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That is to say, "dead". If you want francs you have to go to the Swiss, they are the only ones
that have them now.

Don't they still use the CFA franc in western and central Africa?

What do they use it as? You aren't suggesting they use it as money in place of the USD that seems to
be the currency of Africa these days?

BTW I recall that a GBP bought one 3 CHF once, but now it's more like
2.1 or 2.2 :-(
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"W K"

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100,000 *660= 66 million pre 1959 FFs - a currency which is just

as

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alive in

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the minds of many French people as new Francs.

That is to say, "dead". If you want francs you have to go to the

Swiss,

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they are the only ones that have them now.

"Dead" - as in not legal for use in commerce? Is the pound or the inch "dead"?

No, I don't believe the French (or Belgian franc), god rest them, is legal tender anywhere. The
pound is for a little longer. The inch is a unit of measurement like the furlong or parsec or hubble
time, and has never been a type of legal tender. It's important to avoid getting confused.

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People will know what you mean if you quote prices in either FF or

pre'59

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FFs

Will they? How will you convert a nonconvertible, currently nonexistent historical currency into a
corresponding amount of any legal tender?

There are only two ways: arbitrarily, as in your early post: make up the number that you like.

Or the more accurate one, which to point out that the French franc has a value of exactly ZERO.

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At the current rate, this means that they are likely to still quote

things

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in terms of FFs in the late 21st century.

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Either that or we should list racing prizes in early roman

denarii....

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do you know anyone who could understand figures in that currency?

Well, whether they do or not, you can't get hold of denarii, if you could there isn't a
calculable exchange rate, and even if you could get them at a calculated exchange rate there
isn't anyone who would be interested in taking them off you so while you might put them on the
wall or in a glass case they can't actually be used as money, that is to say, as a convertible
medium of common exchange.

In other words, the denarius is a dead currency.

So using them is exactly as sensible as using French francs really. But you are welcome to try
buying a bike in Decathlon using French francs. Let us know how the adventure turns out, please.

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still convert euro prices into DM or Schillings. Even politicians talking on the television do it.
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> 100,000 *660= 66 million pre 1959 FFs - a currency which is just

as

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alive in
> the minds of many French people as new Francs.

That is to say, "dead". If you want francs you have to go to the

Swiss,

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they are the only ones that have them now.

"Dead" - as in not legal for use in commerce? Is the pound or the inch "dead"?

No, I don't believe the French (or Belgian franc), god rest them, is legal tender anywhere. The
pound is for a little longer. The inch is a unit of measurement like the furlong or parsec or
hubble time, and has never been a type of legal tender. It's important to avoid getting confused.

Oh dear. silly aside goes too far.

pound as in 454g. It is not legal to use it for commerce in the uk, and yet its alive. Have you a
dictionary that says "dead" = not legal tender.

As a concept that means things to people it still exists.

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People will know what you mean if you quote prices in either FF or

pre'59

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FFs

Will they? How will you convert a nonconvertible, currently nonexistent historical currency into a
corresponding amount of any legal tender?

There are only two ways: arbitrarily, as in your early post: make up the number that you like.

There is a fixed value. It started some months before the euro started, and had an official rate -
which will be used forever to translate older figures into Euros.

<snip> You really are narrow minded about some definitions and what "alive" and "dead" mean

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So using them is exactly as sensible as using French francs really. But you are welcome to try
buying a bike in Decathlon using French francs.

OK. Go to any Decathalon and tell them you'd like a racer that costs about
6000F.You'll probably do better than asking for one that costs about 900 euro. In fact, the
assistant will probably do the sum [1] in his head. Its not legal tender, but its exists as a
concept - more strongly than the "living" legal tender.

[6001] Sorry not a sum as its a multiplication.

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> > 100,000 *660= 66 million pre 1959 FFs - a currency which is

just

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> > the minds of many French people as new Francs.
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> That is to say, "dead". If you want francs you have to go to

the

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Swiss,

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> they are the only ones that have them now.

"Dead" - as in not legal for use in commerce? Is the pound or the

inch

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"dead"?

No, I don't believe the French (or Belgian franc), god rest them, is legal tender anywhere. The
pound is for a little longer. The inch

is a

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unit of measurement like the furlong or parsec or hubble time, and

has

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never been a type of legal tender. It's important to avoid getting confused.

Oh dear. silly aside goes too far.

!!

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pound as in 454g. It is not legal to use it for commerce in the uk,

and yet

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its alive. Have you a dictionary that says "dead" = not legal tender.

As a concept that means things to people it still exists.

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People will know what you mean if you quote prices in either FF or

pre'59

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FFs

Will they? How will you convert a nonconvertible, currently

nonexistent

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historical currency into a corresponding amount of any legal tender?

There are only two ways: arbitrarily, as in your early post: make up

the

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number that you like.

There is a fixed value. It started some months before the euro

started, and

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had an official rate - which will be used forever to translate older

figures

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into Euros.

??

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<snip> You really are narrow minded about some definitions and what "alive"

and

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"dead" mean

For "narrow minded", read "practical".

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So using them is exactly as sensible as using French francs really.

But

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you are welcome to try buying a bike in Decathlon using French

francs.

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OK. Go to any Decathalon and tell them you'd like a racer that costs

about

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6000F.

Why would I want to do that?

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You'll probably do better than asking for one that costs about 900

euro.

I don't need to ask, that's what the price tags are in.

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In fact, the assistant will probably do the sum [1] in his head.

I don't care what they do in their heads. That's their business.

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Its not legal tender, but its exists as a concept - more strongly than

the

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"living" legal tender.

So you can't pay for the bike in French francs. You do understand and acknowledge that, do you?

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[1] Sorry not a sum as its a multiplication.

That's OK, "sum" is a commonly used term for a calculation.

I think we should stop this discussion now, since I think we are all pretty clear on what kinds of
currency can be used to purchase bikes and parts.

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OK. Go to any Decathalon and tell them you'd like a racer that costs

about

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6000F.

Why would I want to do that?

I don't know what sort of cyclist you are. If you want a bike from decathalon then I'd suggest the
two things they are very good at are utililty and holiday bikes or middle/lower end racers. As such,
with a 600 quid budget (not legal tender in France), it'd be a good starting point.

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You'll probably do better than asking for one that costs about 900

euro.

I don't need to ask, that's what the price tags are in.

I don't suppose things have changed much since 3 months ago. As a huge proportion of my cycling gear
is from them, I'll confirm that the price tags are in both.

An aside is that ordinary supermarkets now have LCD price tags that give both E and FF. No denari.

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In fact, the assistant will probably do the sum [1] in his head.

I don't care what they do in their heads.

Well thats perhaps the point. I'm talking about concepts that still exist, and my starting point in
this bizarrely hostile thread was that there are many many people in France who still have the
concept of pre '59 Francs alive and well, and living as a concept in their heads.

A good example, is the French scratch card game "club millionaire". You become a millionaire by
winning 10 grand.

BTW "grand" is not an item of legal tender, and yet it exists as a concept as being 1000 pounds.