Sunscreen...

Micheal Artindale schrieb:

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In my area during the day, when I will now be swimming outdoors, the UV can
reach a 9. (very high)

I would be out in the water for over an hour. I am a typical white male.
What SPF sunscreen would protect me for that long in the water?

The highest you can get (UV very high, white skin, plus water
reflection). With a 9 you are advised to stay inside between 10am and
4pm, you are not thinking about swimming at that time of the day, are
you?

Have you considered wearing a sun protective swimsuit (UPF 50+,
chlorine resistant if needed)? Easy to put on, less sunscreen on
yourself and in the pool,... They come in different colors, shapes and
sizes, for example by:

http://www.funsunwear.com.au/
http://www.stingray.com.au/
http://www.ozoneswimwear.co.nz/
http://www.cwear.com.au/

(there should be some retailer in US as well)

And yes, people will look and ask - but protecting skin is much more
important than being cool.

Sybille

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Micheal Artindale schrieb:

Quoted message said:

In my area during the day, when I will now be swimming outdoors, the UV

can

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

reach a 9. (very high)

I would be out in the water for over an hour. I am a typical white male.
What SPF sunscreen would protect me for that long in the water?

The highest you can get (UV very high, white skin, plus water
reflection). With a 9 you are advised to stay inside between 10am and
4pm, you are not thinking about swimming at that time of the day, are
you?

Actually, yes I am.Typically the UV index is 3-6. Those days I would be out
in the water.

Quoted message said:

Have you considered wearing a sun protective swimsuit (UPF 50+,
chlorine resistant if needed)? Easy to put on, less sunscreen on
yourself and in the pool,... They come in different colors, shapes and
sizes, for example by:

http://www.funsunwear.com.au/
http://www.stingray.com.au/
http://www.ozoneswimwear.co.nz/
http://www.cwear.com.au/

(there should be some retailer in US as well)

Do any not require a credit card or paypal?

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And yes, people will look and ask - but protecting skin is much more
important than being cool.

I am wearing a brief style now, I am not concerned about what they will say.

On the flip side, I do want a tan, I just dont want to burn and be red. I
will look at those. I am in Canada, so shipping may hurt.

Thanks,

Micheal

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Goodness, how did [the Caucasian
portion of] our species survive when
life required working in the
fields all day?

They wore hats.

Man o' Tea said:

Quoted message said:

Goodness, how did [the Caucasian
portion of] our species survive when
life required working in the
fields all day?

They wore hats.

Also, dying young from influenza, cholera, accidents, etc. made skin
cancer less of a threat.
Madelaine

I was at the dermatologist today with my sons. Read an article on the
wall which was rather disturbing. Don't know if anyone else has heard
of such a thing.

According to the article, the answer to your question might be, "who
cares, it doesn't matter".

Melanoma rates have INCREASED substantially in recent years, not
decreased as one might expect with more education about sun and using
sun screen. There's variouis theories advanced about this. One is
rather diabolical - older sunscreens only block UVB radiation. This is
the spectrum that causes burn. However, they didn't block UVA, which
they now believe is what leads to melanoma. So with old sunscreens,
people may have felt safe being on the beach all day because they
didn't burn, but they were actually increasing their chances of
melanoma by many fold.

The bottom line is that dermatologists cannot say whether even wide
spectrum sun block will lead to a decrease in melanoma. The first line
of defense now is simply clothing. Sun block is not as highly
recommended because its efficacy is not really known. So wear a rash
guard if you can, or simply go to the dermatologist a lot to catch the
cancer early.

Eric

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According to the article, the answer to your question might be, "who
cares, it doesn't matter".

*shudder*

Sunburn, the name already says it, is always harming your skin. Even
if it doesn't result directly in melanoma, it's nothing someone should
take easy.

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Melanoma rates have INCREASED substantially in recent years, not
decreased as one might expect with more education about sun and using
sun screen.

Education about sun and using sun screen started somewhere around 20
years ago - when I was a child, nobody cared. And there are still some
years left until I am really in the high risk group (where I am
already, because of the sunburns in my childhood and skin cancer in my
family). Additionally, for a long time even with education people
haven't cared about the 30min you have to wait until there is
protection (when using a regular chemical sunscreen) and that
protection is only given for a certain time, depending on skin type
Plus some more reasons for the increased rate (hole in the ozone
layer, more holidays in the sun,...). If there is a positive effect on
melanoma caused by education and sun protection, we will have to wait
some years more to see it.

Quoted message said:

So wear a rash
guard if you can, or simply go to the dermatologist a lot to catch the
cancer early.

I would say this as: Cover yourself (that's why I already suggested
wearing a sun protection swim suit, don't forget to wear googles with
UV protection), use sunscreen where covering is not possible, avoid
sun between 11am and 3pm, see the dermatologist regularly (at least if
you discovered something suspicious on your skin).

Covering more and using therefore less sunscreen would lead to cleaner
pools as positive side effect, additionally there is less time needed
to prepare for swimming 🙂.

Regards,
Sybille

Quoted message said:

I was at the dermatologist today with my sons. Read an article on the
wall which was rather disturbing. Don't know if anyone else has heard
of such a thing.

According to the article, the answer to your question might be, "who
cares, it doesn't matter".

Melanoma rates have INCREASED substantially in recent years, not
decreased as one might expect with more education about sun and using
sun screen. There's variouis theories advanced about this. One is
rather diabolical - older sunscreens only block UVB radiation. This is
the spectrum that causes burn. However, they didn't block UVA, which
they now believe is what leads to melanoma. So with old sunscreens,
people may have felt safe being on the beach all day because they
didn't burn, but they were actually increasing their chances of
melanoma by many fold.

The bottom line is that dermatologists cannot say whether even wide
spectrum sun block will lead to a decrease in melanoma. The first line
of defense now is simply clothing. Sun block is not as highly
recommended because its efficacy is not really known. So wear a rash
guard if you can, or simply go to the dermatologist a lot to catch the
cancer early.

Eric

White people look better with a tan.

If the increase in melanoma was being caused by an increase in
radiation levels, then we would have heard about that, but I haven't
heard about an increase in solar radiation, except under the holes in
the ozone, which so far are near the poles.

I wonder if the increase in meanoma could be due to chemicals in the
diet. Or anti-perspirant deoderants.

I see this as a non-problem. If you can justify driving a car on the
highway, given the probability of death or injury there, then since
you have to check yourself for melanoma regularly anyway, you might as
well enjoy the sun and check yourself more frequently.

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White people look better with a tan.

Is that so?

100 years ago a tan was looked down upon because it implied an outdoor
way of making a living. (e.g. farming). In the 1920's, fashion people
like Coco Chanel started associating a tan with a different lifestyle -
the rich and famous who hang around pools and the beach all day.

So whose to say what "we" like best. The power brokers of fashion and
Hollywood help drive what is considered attractive. And thin and tan
is in.

Eric

Quoted message said:

White people look better with a tan.

Is that so?

100 years ago a tan was looked down upon because it implied an outdoor
way of making a living. (e.g. farming). In the 1920's, fashion people
like Coco Chanel started associating a tan with a different lifestyle -
the rich and famous who hang around pools and the beach all day.

So whose to say what "we" like best. The power brokers of fashion and
Hollywood help drive what is considered attractive. And thin and tan
is in.

Eric

Quoted message said:

White people look better with a tan.

Is that so?

100 years ago a tan was looked down upon because it implied an outdoor
way of making a living. (e.g. farming). In the 1920's, fashion people
like Coco Chanel started associating a tan with a different lifestyle -
the rich and famous who hang around pools and the beach all day.

So whose to say what "we" like best. The power brokers of fashion and
Hollywood help drive what is considered attractive. And thin and tan
is in.

Eric

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

White people look better with a tan.

Is that so?

100 years ago a tan was looked down upon because it implied an outdoor
way of making a living. (e.g. farming). In the 1920's, fashion people
like Coco Chanel started associating a tan with a different lifestyle -
the rich and famous who hang around pools and the beach all day.

So whose to say what "we" like best. The power brokers of fashion and
Hollywood help drive what is considered attractive. And thin and tan
is in.

You can look down on whomever you choose, but white people look better
with a tan.

Quoted message said:

100 years ago a tan was looked down upon
because it implied an outdoor way of
making a living. (e.g. farming). In the
1920's, fashion people like Coco Chanel
started associating a tan with a different
lifestyle - the rich and famous who hang
around pools and the beach all day.

Also, much of the manual work had moved
indoors to factories, assembly lines and
typing pools. The working class became
just as pale as the wealthy. So a "healthy
tan" became a status symbol, as opposed to
a "farmer's tan" or a "red neck."

If the high cost of oil leads to food
scarcity and more human-powered transport,
it may become fashionable for the wealthy
to be plump again. Paris Hilton will be
out, and Kirstie Alley will be in.

Man o' Tea said:

Quoted message said:

100 years ago a tan was looked down upon
because it implied an outdoor way of
making a living. (e.g. farming). In the
1920's, fashion people like Coco Chanel
started associating a tan with a different
lifestyle - the rich and famous who hang
around pools and the beach all day.

Also, much of the manual work had moved
indoors to factories, assembly lines and
typing pools. The working class became
just as pale as the wealthy. So a "healthy
tan" became a status symbol, as opposed to
a "farmer's tan" or a "red neck."

If the high cost of oil leads to food
scarcity and more human-powered transport,
it may become fashionable for the wealthy
to be plump again. Paris Hilton will be
out, and Kirstie Alley will be in.

But Paris will still look better, especially with a tan.

Otis B. Driftwood said:

But Paris will still look better,
especially with a tan.

Sounds like Martin owns a tanning bed.

Man o' Tea said:

Otis B. Driftwood said:

But Paris will still look better,
especially with a tan.

Sounds like Martin owns a tanning bed.

Not cost effective. But every health club has them in Scandinavia. The
winters are long and dark, and a half hour in a tanning bed is a
soothing, sensory deprivation chamber.

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White people look better with a tan.

Do you have a reference to research that supports this claim?

Dave Rusin said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sybille Kahl said:

Micheal Artindale schrieb:

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In my area during the day, when I will now be swimming outdoors, the UV can
reach a 9. (very high)

I would be out in the water for over an hour. I am a typical white male.
What SPF sunscreen would protect me for that long in the water?

The highest you can get (UV very high, white skin, plus water
reflection). With a 9 you are advised to stay inside between 10am and
4pm, you are not thinking about swimming at that time of the day, are
you?

Goodness, how did [the Caucasian portion of] our species survive when
life required working in the fields all day?

Easy, we didn't live in the African latitudes...

Otis B. Driftwood is our old friend Martin? Good grief, I thought he
was some old blues singer, not a cracker living in Scandinavia. And
Donal became Man o' Tea. I need a new publicist. Everyone is picking
up snappy titles.

Eric (... just Eric)

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Otis B. Driftwood is our old friend Martin? Good grief, I thought he
was some old blues singer, not a cracker living in Scandinavia. And
Donal became Man o' Tea. I need a new publicist. Everyone is picking
up snappy titles.

At least martin/otis is being respectable

For now...

Micheal