General fitness, health and nutrition · Public discussion

Need custard tips

Started by Wayne Boatwright · · Last activity · 15 posts · 440 views

This thread is locked and is currently read-only.

Thread navigation

Jump through the discussion

Go to the original post, the replies on this page, or the latest preserved contribution.

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
General fitness, health and nutrition
Published
11 June 2005
Last activity
14 June 2005
Original author
Wayne Boatwright
Posts
15
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
440
Views / 30 days
0

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–15 of 15
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. On Sat 11 Jun 2005 10:37:40a, Piedmont wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    Been making a recipe that uses a custard. Any tips on cooking a custard
    The recipe instructions say to stir custard over, not in, a pan of
    boiling water, which seems to take a long time.

    I'll end up occasionally dipping the pan containing the custard in the
    boiling water to get things moving along faster.

    Any tips, do's and don'ts on making a custard that isn't runny or
    doesn't harden up?

    Thanks!

    You don't state the ingredients or the procedure, but it helps to preheat
    the milk, then add small amounts of it to the egg yolk mixture to temper
    it, then finally whisking the egg mixture back into the milk mixture. I
    divide the sugar and add some to both the milk and the egg yolks. This
    helps to prevent the egg yolks from curdling. I also use a double boiler
    rather than holding a pan above another pan containing boiling water. I
    think you get better heat coverage on the top pan this way.

    Custard is not instant pudding. It doesn't cook quickly.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

  2. Been making a recipe that uses a custard. Any tips on cooking a custard The
    recipe instructions say to stir custard over, not in, a pan of boiling
    water, which seems to take a long time.

    I'll end up occasionally dipping the pan containing the custard in the
    boiling water to get things moving along faster.

    Any tips, do's and don'ts on making a custard that isn't runny or doesn't
    harden up?

    Thanks!
    --
    Mike Willsey (Piedmont)
    The Practical Bar B Q'r at,
    http://groups.msn.com/ThePracticalBarBQr/_whatsnew.msnw

  3. at Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:37:40 GMT in <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (Piedmont) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    Been making a recipe that uses a custard. Any tips on cooking a custard
    The recipe instructions say to stir custard over, not in, a pan of
    boiling water, which seems to take a long time.

    I'll end up occasionally dipping the pan containing the custard in the
    boiling water to get things moving along faster.

    Any tips, do's and don'ts on making a custard that isn't runny or
    doesn't harden up?

    Many recipes recommend that you preheat the milk before stirring it into
    the eggs. I go one step further - I both heat and condense the milk by
    bringing it almost to a boil and then stirring it alone for a while, until
    it starts becoming noticeably thicker. At this point, the milk usually has
    been reduced by about 50% in volume.

    This process takes time, but, as you've now found out, custard does take
    time. Speeding up the process is generally a bad idea and usually simply
    leads to lower-quality results. The bottom line to be understood whenever
    you're making custard is that it's going to involve a long time standing
    over a stove stirring. Tedious but necessary.

    I add a small amount of cold milk to the eggs just before putting the rest
    of the milk on to stir and condense. This makes it easier to avoid
    localised curdling when stirring in the hot milk later.

    It's important to stir quickly, not slowly. Furthermore, make sure your
    stirring motion includes a sweeping action so that you're essentially
    scraping all sides of the vessel containing your custard mixture. Otherwise
    what can happen is that the mix at the bottom of the vessel can cook while
    the rest is still fluid. Increase the stirring speed towards the end of the
    process, too - by the end your motion should be almost frenetic in its
    pace. My vessel of choice is a metal bowl set over a pyrex pot filled with
    water. A pyrex pot works well because then you can visually inspect the
    state of the water. It should be at a simmer to light boil, never a rolling
    boil. Furthermore the experts are right - it's better that your top vessel
    not be touching the liquid below or it's virtually guaranteed that the
    custard at the bottom of the vessel will cook.

    With my methodology, at least, the best time to add flavourings is towards
    the end of the milk-condensing stage - when the milk is thick but before
    adding to the eggs. The idea is to infuse the milk and then add the now-
    infused milk to the eggs. I find that sugar should be added right at the
    end - in fact, either just before or just after removing the whole thing
    from the heat.

    The final issue is one of ratios - which you have to play around with a
    bit. I found that for a basic custard, the ideal mixture was 4 extra-large
    (NOT large) eggs to 2 cups milk. And I used whole eggs, not egg yolks.
    However, I suggest that you try experimenting a little until you find the
    consistency and flavour that you prefer.

    --
    Alex Rast
    [email hidden]
    (remove d., .7, not, and .NOSPAM to reply)

  4. Is there a difference in Custard / Pudding / cream pie filling?

    The orginal poster used the term "custard". The answers given are the same
    cooking methods I use for pudding and cream pie filling.

    'Round here, pudding is cream pie filling without the crust. Nobody ever
    calls anything custard.

    Elaine, too

  5. On Sun 12 Jun 2005 10:52:06p, Elaine Parrish wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    Is there a difference in Custard / Pudding / cream pie filling?

    The orginal poster used the term "custard". The answers given are the
    same cooking methods I use for pudding and cream pie filling.

    'Round here, pudding is cream pie filling without the crust. Nobody ever
    calls anything custard.

    Elaine, too

    Custard generally has no other thickener than the egg or egg yolk.
    Puddings/cream pie fillings are usually thickened with cornstarch, flour,
    tapioca, etc., and may or may not contain egg.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

  6. Custard tips are hard to find. Few butchers cary them anymore, and if
    they do, they just don't seem to trim them correctly.

    My aunt used to make custard tips in a brown sauce. Secret ingredient;
    capers.

    Greg Zywicki

  7. On Mon 13 Jun 2005 05:58:52a, Zywicki wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    Custard tips are hard to find. Few butchers cary them anymore, and if
    they do, they just don't seem to trim them correctly.

    My aunt used to make custard tips in a brown sauce. Secret ingredient;
    capers.

    Greg Zywicki

    I guess we're really lucky, Greg. A new custard tips shop opened near our
    neighborhood market. It's so convenient to go and pick up as many as you
    need.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

  8. Elaine Parrish said:

    Is there a difference in Custard / Pudding / cream pie filling?

    The orginal poster used the term "custard". The answers given are the same
    cooking methods I use for pudding and cream pie filling.

    'Round here, pudding is cream pie filling without the crust. Nobody ever
    calls anything custard.

    Elaine, too

    You've never had custard pie? It's TDF. I like to sprinkle grape-nuts
    in the bottom of the crust before pouring in the custard filling.
    Baked custard is one of my favorite things - very easy and delicious.
    I have never been able to make the stirred custard recipe in BH&G (pan
    is over a double-boiler), but have an excellent recipe for a custard
    pie filling (pan sits directly on the burner) with which I have no
    trouble, whatsoever.

    N.

  9. On Mon 13 Jun 2005 08:44:45a, wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:
    Elaine Parrish said:

    Is there a difference in Custard / Pudding / cream pie filling?

    The orginal poster used the term "custard". The answers given are the
    same cooking methods I use for pudding and cream pie filling.

    'Round here, pudding is cream pie filling without the crust. Nobody
    ever calls anything custard.

    Elaine, too

    You've never had custard pie? It's TDF. I like to sprinkle grape-nuts
    in the bottom of the crust before pouring in the custard filling.
    Baked custard is one of my favorite things - very easy and delicious.
    I have never been able to make the stirred custard recipe in BH&G (pan
    is over a double-boiler), but have an excellent recipe for a custard
    pie filling (pan sits directly on the burner) with which I have no
    trouble, whatsoever.

    N.

    Post the pie filling recipe, PLEASE! :-)

    Wayne (who absolutely loves custard pie)

  10. Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Sun 12 Jun 2005 10:52:06p, Elaine Parrish wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    Is there a difference in Custard / Pudding / cream pie filling?

    The orginal poster used the term "custard". The answers given are the
    same cooking methods I use for pudding and cream pie filling.

    'Round here, pudding is cream pie filling without the crust. Nobody ever
    calls anything custard.

    Elaine, too

    Custard generally has no other thickener than the egg or egg yolk.
    Puddings/cream pie fillings are usually thickened with cornstarch, flour,
    tapioca, etc., and may or may not contain egg.

    Thanks, Wayne! Now I'm on the same page.

    Elaine, too.

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

  11. On Mon 13 Jun 2005 09:15:43a, Elaine Parrish wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:
    Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Sun 12 Jun 2005 10:52:06p, Elaine Parrish wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    Is there a difference in Custard / Pudding / cream pie filling?

    The orginal poster used the term "custard". The answers given are the
    same cooking methods I use for pudding and cream pie filling.

    'Round here, pudding is cream pie filling without the crust. Nobody
    eve r calls anything custard.

    Elaine, too

    Custard generally has no other thickener than the egg or egg yolk.
    Puddings/cream pie fillings are usually thickened with cornstarch,
    flour, tapioca, etc., and may or may not contain egg.

    Thanks, Wayne! Now I'm on the same page.

    Elaine, too.

    You're very welcome!

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

  12. "Piedmont" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Been making a recipe that uses a custard. Any tips on cooking a custard The
    recipe instructions say to stir custard over, not in, a pan of boiling
    water, which seems to take a long time.

    Yep it would - what kind of bowl are you using? If glass - change to a metal
    bowl it will conduct the hear a little quicker.

    Quoted message said:

    I'll end up occasionally dipping the pan containing the custard in the
    boiling water to get things moving along faster.

    Under normal circumstances - no harm done - the reason for the "over steam or
    boiling water" is to limit the temperature to 212 degrees and not scramble the
    eggs but get them to thicken the milk/cream. If your recipe is too runny you
    can increase the eggs or egg yolk - without knowing the recipe (egg to liquid
    ratio) it's impossible to get a clear picture to see if you are undercooking the
    mixture.

    Dimitri

  13. On 13 Jun 2005 said:
    Elaine Parrish said:

    Is there a difference in Custard / Pudding / cream pie filling?

    The orginal poster used the term "custard". The answers given are the same
    cooking methods I use for pudding and cream pie filling.

    'Round here, pudding is cream pie filling without the crust. Nobody ever
    calls anything custard.

    Elaine, too

    You've never had custard pie? It's TDF. I like to sprinkle grape-nuts
    in the bottom of the crust before pouring in the custard filling.
    Baked custard is one of my favorite things - very easy and delicious.
    I have never been able to make the stirred custard recipe in BH&G (pan
    is over a double-boiler), but have an excellent recipe for a custard
    pie filling (pan sits directly on the burner) with which I have no
    trouble, whatsoever.

    N.

    Hey Nancy,

    That's why I was asking. I haven't eaten anything called "custard". It may
    have been called something else. On this ng, I've found some of the same
    things have different names. (that bbq/grill thing comes to mind! <G>😉

    The description of "thickened with eggs, but no flour" matches my French
    Coconut, Pecan pie, and Chess Pie recipes, but these are totally different
    than my cream pie fillings that are milk based.

    I'd love to have your custard pie recipe, if you are willing to share.

    Elaine, too

  14. Elaine Parrish said:
    On 13 Jun 2005 said:
    Elaine Parrish said:

    Is there a difference in Custard / Pudding / cream pie filling?

    The orginal poster used the term "custard". The answers given are the same
    cooking methods I use for pudding and cream pie filling.

    'Round here, pudding is cream pie filling without the crust. Nobody ever
    calls anything custard.

    Elaine, too

    You've never had custard pie? It's TDF. I like to sprinkle grape-nuts
    in the bottom of the crust before pouring in the custard filling.
    Baked custard is one of my favorite things - very easy and delicious.
    I have never been able to make the stirred custard recipe in BH&G (pan
    is over a double-boiler), but have an excellent recipe for a custard
    pie filling (pan sits directly on the burner) with which I have no
    trouble, whatsoever.

    N.

    Hey Nancy,

    That's why I was asking. I haven't eaten anything called "custard". It may
    have been called something else. On this ng, I've found some of the same
    things have different names. (that bbq/grill thing comes to mind! <G>😉

    The description of "thickened with eggs, but no flour" matches my French
    Coconut, Pecan pie, and Chess Pie recipes, but these are totally different
    than my cream pie fillings that are milk based.

    I'd love to have your custard pie recipe, if you are willing to share.

    Elaine, too

    This recipe is originally from Sportkite (Ellen):

    Toast sweetened coconut in a preheated oven 350 degrees. Spread evenly
    on cookie sheet, shaking once or twice, bake for 5 to 10 minutes, until
    light golden brown. I really like it for flavored pies like coconut
    cream or banana cream, but prefer a baked custard or stirred custard
    for eating just plain.

    Filling:
    2/3 cup sugar
    1/3 cup cornstarch
    2 T all purpose flour
    1/4 tsp salt
    3 eggs (I use jumbo)
    3 cups milk
    1 T butter
    2 tsp vanilla extract
    1 1/4 cups sweetened coconut flakes
    1 baked pie shell
    Sweetened Vanilla Whipped Cream

    In medium saucepan stir together sugar cornstarch flour and salt. Whisk
    in eggs one at a time until well blended. Gradually whisk in milk. Cook
    over medium heat, whisking constantly until mixture comes to a boil.
    Whisk and Boil for one minute. Remove from heat, whisk in butter and
    vanilla. Stir in 1 cup of plain or toasted coconut (I used the
    toasted). Pour into baked pie shell. Cover with plastic wrap. Chill in
    refrigerator for 6-8 hours or until firm. Remove one hour before
    serving and top with sweetened vanilla whipped cream, scattering the
    remainder of the toasted coconut on top. Refrigerate until ready to
    serve.

  15. On Tue 14 Jun 2005 06:48:46a, wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:
    Elaine Parrish said:
    On 13 Jun 2005 said:

    Elaine Parrish wrote:
    > Is there a difference in Custard / Pudding / cream pie filling?
    >
    >
    > The orginal poster used the term "custard". The answers given are
    > the same cooking methods I use for pudding and cream pie filling.
    >
    > 'Round here, pudding is cream pie filling without the crust. Nobody
    > ever calls anything custard.
    >
    > Elaine, too

    You've never had custard pie? It's TDF. I like to sprinkle
    grape-nuts in the bottom of the crust before pouring in the custard
    filling. Baked custard is one of my favorite things - very easy and
    delicious. I have never been able to make the stirred custard recipe
    in BH&G (pan is over a double-boiler), but have an excellent recipe
    for a custard pie filling (pan sits directly on the burner) with
    which I have no trouble, whatsoever.

    N.

    Hey Nancy,

    That's why I was asking. I haven't eaten anything called "custard". It
    may have been called something else. On this ng, I've found some of the
    same things have different names. (that bbq/grill thing comes to mind!
    <G>😉

    The description of "thickened with eggs, but no flour" matches my
    French Coconut, Pecan pie, and Chess Pie recipes, but these are totally
    different than my cream pie fillings that are milk based.

    I'd love to have your custard pie recipe, if you are willing to share.

    Elaine, too

    This recipe is originally from Sportkite (Ellen):

    Toast sweetened coconut in a preheated oven 350 degrees. Spread evenly
    on cookie sheet, shaking once or twice, bake for 5 to 10 minutes, until
    light golden brown. I really like it for flavored pies like coconut
    cream or banana cream, but prefer a baked custard or stirred custard
    for eating just plain.

    Filling:
    2/3 cup sugar
    1/3 cup cornstarch
    2 T all purpose flour
    1/4 tsp salt
    3 eggs (I use jumbo)
    3 cups milk
    1 T butter
    2 tsp vanilla extract
    1 1/4 cups sweetened coconut flakes
    1 baked pie shell
    Sweetened Vanilla Whipped Cream

    In medium saucepan stir together sugar cornstarch flour and salt. Whisk
    in eggs one at a time until well blended. Gradually whisk in milk. Cook
    over medium heat, whisking constantly until mixture comes to a boil.
    Whisk and Boil for one minute. Remove from heat, whisk in butter and
    vanilla. Stir in 1 cup of plain or toasted coconut (I used the
    toasted). Pour into baked pie shell. Cover with plastic wrap. Chill in
    refrigerator for 6-8 hours or until firm. Remove one hour before
    serving and top with sweetened vanilla whipped cream, scattering the
    remainder of the toasted coconut on top. Refrigerate until ready to
    serve.

    Thank you, Nancy. This looks delicious. I will probably also used the
    toasted coconut. Saved and imported to Mastercook.

    Cheers!

    --
    Wayne Boatwright Õ¿Õ¬
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.