what's the difference

fj said:

If I do shoulder press in 3 consecutive sets
with 90 seconds rest in between, I will fail
before finishing all sets.

Rest more.

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But if I do like this shoulder press -> other
excercise -> shoulder press -> other excercise ->
shoulder press -> other excercise, I can finish
all sets.

The difference between super sets and straight sets. Wait, are you
resting the same 90 seconds or are you doing a giant set?

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Is there a downside for the second one?

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From personal experience I would say no, but perhaps the peer-review

guys will have something to offer.

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If I do shoulder press the very first, I have
no problem. But after squat, bench press,
inclined bench press, I feel weak.

Those are all compound exercises and are bound to tire you out. Bench
and inclines will hit your delts, right? So it shouldn't be a surprise
to find that you're worn out or at least feeling weaker if you attempt
to do your sets following those. And if you're cleaning and then
pressing the barbell in place during your squats then you'll obviously
have the same result - fatigued delts.

As a teen (and before purchasing a pair of York squat stands) I got
stuck with a barbell on my back after several sets of squats. Couldn't
clean that sucker off my shoulders and finally dumped it onto my bed.

Keep lifting. Rest longer if necessary. Or reduce the amount of weight
you're pressing if the time factor is a big deal for you. You'll build
up to your former weight eventually.

--
Curt
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fj said:

If I do shoulder press in 3 consecutive sets with 90 seconds rest in
between, I will fail before finishing all sets.

But if I do like this shoulder press -> other excercise -> shoulder press ->
other excercise -> shoulder press -> other excercise, I can finish all sets.

Is there a downside for the second one?

If I do shoulder press the very first, I have no problem. But after squat,
bench press, inclined bench press, I feel weak.

-fj

I do the alternate exercises deal. It helps keep my heart rate up and
reduces the amount of time I'm in the gym. I usually try to do it for
opposing muscle groups (bench press & rows, leg extension & leg curl)
but sometimes I'll do things a bit differently (hack squats &
crunches/incline side bends/4-way neck).

Out of curiousity, why are you doing three upper body pressing movements
in the same workout? Are you balancing this out with enough upper body
pulling movements?

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I do the alternate exercises deal. It helps keep my heart rate up and
reduces the amount of time I'm in the gym. I usually try to do it for
opposing muscle groups (bench press & rows, leg extension & leg curl)
but sometimes I'll do things a bit differently (hack squats &
crunches/incline side bends/4-way neck).

For each excercise, do you finish all sets before change another excercise?

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Out of curiousity, why are you doing three upper body pressing movements
in the same workout? Are you balancing this out with enough upper body
pulling movements?

I am on HST program and it's my first day of 10 reps, yes I skip 15 reps.
Most excercise are 1 or 2 sets. For shoulder press I do 3 sets. I am
positive about my Max Reps and did my calculation based on that.

Seems like I will have problem when weights keep going up.

-fj

fj said:

I am on HST program and it's my first day of 10 reps, yes I skip 15 reps.
Most excercise are 1 or 2 sets. For shoulder press I do 3 sets. I am
positive about my Max Reps and did my calculation based on that.

Seems like I will have problem when weights keep going up.

If you're doing HST...

Why are you doing 3 sets on shoulders when it should be limited to 1
or 2?

Why are shoulder presses so hard already when you're supposed to start
light and work your way up?

Why did you skip the 15s? My impression is that they're partly for
conditioning/safety reasons and should only be skipped if desired
after the first cycle.

I just started HST in April. There is a lot of great advice on
hypertrophy-specific.com.

Dave

fj said:

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Why are you doing 3 sets on shoulders when it should be limited to 1
or 2?

To add more mass on my shoulder, I guess.

I actually assumed that was why, but the reason I ask is because one
of the core principles of HST is that more than 1-2 sets per exercise
(besides warmups) is not only unnecessary, but too much to encourage
hypertrophy. Do you disbelieve this?

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Why are shoulder presses so hard already when you're supposed to start
light and work your way up?

I use 70% of 1Max Rep. For one set it's easy but for 2/3 sets it's hard. You
are right, I'll reduce the weight.

Why are you starting with 70% of your 1 rep max when you're doing 10
reps and still have to increase the load several more times before the
end of your cycle?

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Why did you skip the 15s? My impression is that they're partly for
conditioning/safety reasons and should only be skipped if desired
after the first cycle.

I just started HST in April. There is a lot of great advice on
hypertrophy-specific.com.

Dave

I know. I did HST for 9 month a year ago and I am not a beginner. I have a
feeling that 15 reps are not productive but I don't have proof. I'll just
try 10rep, 5rep and 3rep for 2 cycles and see what's happen.

Whatever floats your boat!

Dave

fj said:

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Why are you doing 3 sets on shoulders when it should be limited to 1
or 2?

To add more mass on my shoulder, I guess.

At 10 Reps, 2 sets is probably better. I say this because in my
rountine I have 4 upper body excercizes, and to get good performance on
all of them at 10 reps, I only do 2 sets. (except squats I do 3 sets)
On the 5 reps cycle I do 3 sets (except squats I do 5 sets). I do more
sets of squats because besides C&J and [censored], it is my only lower body
lift.

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I remeber somebody on this forum said he does only 10reps and 5reps.

I only do 10's and 5's but I started with the 15's 6 months ago when I
switched to HST. since then I have taken 2 planned one week breaks, and
when I came back I didn't do the 15's again. The 15's are good if you
are starting from scratch. If you are already pretty well conditioned I
don't think they are necessarry.

The HST board will probably have better info on this.

--Falooley

fj said:

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I do the alternate exercises deal. It helps keep my heart rate up and
reduces the amount of time I'm in the gym. I usually try to do it for
opposing muscle groups (bench press & rows, leg extension & leg curl)
but sometimes I'll do things a bit differently (hack squats &
crunches/incline side bends/4-way neck).

Me too. A full body workout takes 45 minutes if I don't dawdle too
much. Unless heavy deads or squats are involved, then I have to let
the universe realign a bit between sets sometimes.

- bc

Do you alternate exercise in-between multiple sets of the same excercise? So
it's like do two opposite excercises , like bench press & rows at same time
and alternate them.

No. No supersetting. I need the recovery time. I go pretty heavy on
all exercises, 3 sets of 6-8 reps with up to a minute between sets
(except on the aformentioned heavy squats or deads)