History question

BrianMacDonald said:

I was noticing on the L'Equipe website the other day that Miguel Indurain won the Dauphine in 1995
(the last year he won the TdF) and in 1996. Did Indurain race in the TdF in 1996? If not, then why
not, having won a "tune up" for it a month before.

He raced it, and was even in the lead, until he cracked on the final climb on a mountain stage. I
remember watching it live on TV - it was pretty incredible to finally see the moment when he cracked
after all those years of rolling over everyone. Bjarne Rijs went on to win, over a young and very
strong Jan Ullrich.

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He did. He didn't do well (by his standard)

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I was noticing on the L'Equipe website the other day that Miguel Indurain won the Dauphine in 1995
(the last year he won the TdF) and in 1996. Did Indurain race in the TdF in 1996? If not, then why
not, having won a "tune up" for it a month before.

(David N. Welton) said:

BrianMacDonald said:

I was noticing on the L'Equipe website the other day that Miguel Indurain won the Dauphine in
1995 (the last year he won the TdF) and in 1996. Did Indurain race in the TdF in 1996? If not,
then why not, having won a "tune up" for it a month before.

He raced it, and was even in the lead, until he cracked on the final climb on a mountain stage. I
remember watching it live on TV - it was pretty incredible to finally see the moment when he
cracked after all those years of rolling over everyone. Bjarne Rijs went on to win, over a young
and very strong Jan Ullrich.

Well it sounds like your memory is just as bad as your evaluation of the Giro being harder than the
tour. Indurain never was in the lead of the tour in 1996. Heulot was in the Yellow Jersey on that
fateful climb to Les Arcs where Indurain cracked. Berzin picked up that day for something like 1'
and made it stronger in the ITT the next day, only to crack the day after whem Riis suddenly became
invincible...

Keith said:

Indurain never was in the lead of the tour in 1996. Heulot was in the Yellow Jersey on that
fateful climb to Les Arcs where Indurain cracked.

You are correct. I went from memory instead of availing of google. I had recalled Indurain heading
towards leadership because Heulot had actually abandoned early that day, and didn't really count
anyway, although according to the results I found, there were indeed a few other riders in the lead
group that were placed better than him in any case.

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Berzin picked up that day for something like 1' and made it stronger in the ITT the next day, only
to crack the day after whem Riis suddenly became invincible...

I got to watch that one in person:-) Was cold as hell out though, and everyone felt a bit ripped off
having made the trip up to Sestriere only to see the stage shortened to 40 some odd km. We were
hoping to see a stage like the Stelvio when Hampsten won.

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David N. Welton said:

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I was noticing on the L'Equipe website the other day that Miguel Indurain won the Dauphine in
1995 (the last year he won the TdF) and in 1996. Did Indurain race in the TdF in 1996? If not,
then why not, having won a "tune up" for it a month before.

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He raced it, and was even in the lead, until he cracked on the final climb on a mountain stage. I
remember watching it live on TV - it was pretty incredible to finally see the moment when he
cracked after all those years of rolling over everyone. Bjarne Rijs went on to win, over a young
and very strong Jan Ullrich.

Sestriere, after the stage was shortened to a sprint by a major snow storm.

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David N. Welton said:

"BrianMacDonald" <[email hidden]> writes:

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I was noticing on the L'Equipe website the other day that Miguel Indurain won the Dauphine in
1995 (the last year he won the TdF) and in 1996. Did Indurain race in the TdF in 1996? If not,
then why not, having won a "tune up" for it a month before.

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He raced it, and was even in the lead, until he cracked on the final climb on a mountain stage.
I remember watching it live on TV - it was pretty incredible to finally see the moment when he
cracked after all those years of rolling over everyone. Bjarne Rijs went on to win, over a young
and very strong Jan Ullrich.

It is relavent to mention that Ullrich was riding his first Tour in the service of Riis. If he had
been on another team, it is not clear at all that Riis would have beaten Ullrich. Riis won on the
basis of a few decisive attacks and if Ullrich had gone with him to Sestriere (we will never know if
it was within his ability at that point), then Riis would have had to beat Ullrich somewhere else.
Don't forget that Ullrich won the final ITT.

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Sestriere, after the stage was shortened to a sprint by a major snow storm.

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Keith said:

Well it sounds like your memory is just as bad as your evaluation of the Giro being harder than
the tour. Indurain never was in the lead of the tour in 1996. Heulot was in the Yellow Jersey on
that fateful climb to Les Arcs where Indurain cracked. Berzin picked up that day for something
like 1' and made it stronger in the ITT the next day, only to crack the day after whem Riis
suddenly became invincible...

Berzin went to, like 55%. Riis went all the way up to 60%. Allegedly.

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Keith said:

Well it sounds like your memory is just as bad as your evaluation of the Giro being harder than
the tour. Indurain never was in the lead of the tour in 1996. Heulot was in the Yellow Jersey on
that fateful climb to Les Arcs where Indurain cracked. Berzin picked up that day for something
like 1' and made it stronger in the ITT the next day, only to crack the day after whem Riis
suddenly became invincible...

Berzin went to, like 55%. Riis went all the way up to 60%. Allegedly.

Source?

Nick Burns said:

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Berzin went to, like 55%. Riis went all the way up to 60%. Allegedly.

Source?

[censored] Voet claims that Riis' rivals in 1996 were boosted to haematocrit levels of at least 54%. The
Danish TV documentary in 1999 claimed Riis' levels were tested at 56.3% on the Tour rest day
(actually in 1995). His nickname among other riders was "Mr 60%", although that actual figure was
probably the result of speculation, or possibly an attempt to "see how high it could go"...Bjarne
Riis still denies that he ever took EPO.

David N. Welton said:

BrianMacDonald said:

I was noticing on the L'Equipe website the other day that Miguel Indurain won the Dauphine in
1995 (the last year he won the TdF) and in 1996. Did Indurain race in the TdF in 1996? If not,
then why not, having won a "tune up" for it a month before.

He raced it, and was even in the lead, until he cracked on the final climb on a mountain stage. I
remember watching it live on TV - it was pretty incredible to finally see the moment when he
cracked after all those years of rolling over everyone. Bjarne Rijs went on to win, over a young
and very strong Jan Ullrich.

Indurain was never in yellow in 1996, and unfortunately, he cracked on more than one occasion in
that Tour ...

David N. Welton said:

see a stage like the Stelvio when Hampsten won.

ERIK BREUKINK WON! Hampsten got the pink though.