Re: Strokes

"Steve Curtis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Micheal Artindale said:

Besides the Im strokes; front crawl, back
crawl, breast stroke, and butterfly, what
other strokes are there?

Sidestroke, trudgen, treading, dog paddle?

What is trudgen?

Thanks

Micheal

Micheal Artindale said:

"Steve Curtis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Micheal Artindale said:

Besides the Im strokes; front crawl, back
crawl, breast stroke, and butterfly, what
other strokes are there?

Sidestroke, trudgen, treading, dog paddle?

What is trudgen?

Thanks

Micheal

Are you really so helpless you can't type trudgen into google? What am
I foing? Of course you are.

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Micheal Artindale said:

"Steve Curtis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Micheal Artindale said:

Besides the Im strokes; front crawl, back
crawl, breast stroke, and butterfly, what
other strokes are there?

Sidestroke, trudgen, treading, dog paddle?

What is trudgen?

Thanks

Micheal

Are you really so helpless you can't type trudgen into google? What am
I foing? Of course you are.

He'd probably get more help if it were spelt correctly - trudgeon. I
presume he can work out what you meant by "foing" - if he cares.

jtaylor said:

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Micheal Artindale said:

"Steve Curtis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Micheal Artindale wrote:

>Besides the Im strokes; front crawl, back
>crawl, breast stroke, and butterfly, what
>other strokes are there?

Sidestroke, trudgen, treading, dog paddle?

What is trudgen?

Thanks

Micheal

Are you really so helpless you can't type trudgen into google? What am
I foing? Of course you are.

He'd probably get more help if it were spelt correctly - trudgeon. I
presume he can work out what you meant by "foing" - if he cares.

Trudgen is correct, and if he types trudgen into google, the first
item on the list explains the stroke.

"Duke Kahanamoku" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>What is trudgen?
>
>Thanks
>
>Micheal

Are you really so helpless you can't type trudgen into google? What am
I foing? Of course you are.

He'd probably get more help if it were spelt correctly - trudgeon. I
presume he can work out what you meant by "foing" - if he cares.

Trudgen is correct

"John Trudgeon developed the two-arm over water trudgeon stroke" - Forbes
Carlile; who

a) can spell; and

b) has been a part of swimming history himself.

The prominence of a misspelling on usenet, or indeed the web, is no excuse
for aping it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are you really so helpless you can't
type trudgen into google? What am I
foing? Of course you are.

Quoted message said:

He'd probably get more help if it were
spelt correctly - trudgeon. I presume he
can work out what you meant by "foing" -
if he cares.

He wouldn't get any help if he spelled it like "trudgeon." "Trudgen" is
the correct spelling.

From Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:

Main Entry: trud·gen stroke
Pronunciation: 'tr&-j&n-
Function: noun
Etymology: John Trudgen died 1902 English swimmer
: a swimming stroke consisting of alternating overarm strokes and a
scissors kick

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(Steve Curtis) said:

He wouldn't get any help if he spelled it like "trudgeon." "Trudgen" is
the correct spelling.

A quick web search finds both spellings, sometimes on the same page,
always referring to John Trudge(o)n. How did he spell his own name?
Did he switch back and forth between spellings the way Shakespeare did?
Does anyone have a paper that the man actually signed?

I also found this tidbit at dict.org:

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

Trudgen stroke \Trudg"en stroke\ (Swimming)
A racing stroke in which a double over-arm motion is used; --
so called from its use by an amateur named Trudgen, but often
erroneously written trudgeon.
[Webster 1913 Suppl.]

Ross

Ross Bogue said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Steve Curtis) said:

He wouldn't get any help if he spelled it like "trudgeon." "Trudgen" is
the correct spelling.

I am the wife of E. Kazes, son of I. Kazez and R. Cazes. Like W.
Shakespear aka Shakespeare said about a rose, trudgeon by the name of
trudgen still used a sweet two over water arm stroke.

Ruth Kazez

Ross Bogue wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

Steve Curtis wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He wouldn't get any help if he spelled it
like "trudgeon." "Trudgen" is the correct
spelling.

Quoted message said:

A quick web search finds both spellings,
sometimes on the same page, always
referring to John Trudge(o)n. How did he
spell his own name?

The only spelling I could find was "trudgen" as in the following:

http://www.ishof.org/74jtrudgen.html

Steve Curtis

I said:

The only spelling I could find was
"trudgen" as in the following:

Quoted message said:

http://www.ishof.org/74jtrudgen.html

But, then again, Ross has a point, as I've discovered:

http://www.ishof.org/76rsaari.html

SC

jtaylor said:

"Duke Kahanamoku" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >What is trudgen?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Micheal
>
> Are you really so helpless you can't type trudgen into google? What am
> I foing? Of course you are.
>

He'd probably get more help if it were spelt correctly - trudgeon. I
presume he can work out what you meant by "foing" - if he cares.

Trudgen is correct

"John Trudgeon developed the two-arm over water trudgeon stroke" - Forbes
Carlile; who

a) can spell; and

b) has been a part of swimming history himself.

The prominence of a misspelling on usenet, or indeed the web, is no excuse
for aping it.

I agree. Nevertheless, Trudgen is correct.

< http://www.onelook.com/?w=trudgen&ls=a>

rtk said:

Ross Bogue said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Steve Curtis) said:

He wouldn't get any help if he spelled it like "trudgeon." "Trudgen" is
the correct spelling.

I am the wife of E. Kazes, son of I. Kazez and R. Cazes. Like W.
Shakespear aka Shakespeare said about a rose, trudgeon by the name of
trudgen still used a sweet two over water arm stroke.

Ruth Kazez

So, totally off topic but as a matter of interest, why do you spell
your (adopted name - I presume) Kazez when your husband spells his
Kazes? Or is it one of those male/female things in whatever language
it originates from?

I remember a Polish family when I was at school, the males had a
surname ending in "-ski" and the females "-ska", which used to confuse
the school authorities no end.

Liz D

Liz D said:

So, totally off topic but as a matter of interest, why do you spell
your (adopted name - I presume) Kazez when your husband spells his
Kazes? Or is it one of those male/female things in whatever language
it originates from?

I remember a Polish family when I was at school, the males had a
surname ending in "-ski" and the females "-ska", which used to confuse
the school authorities no end.

Liz D

Mostly, the variations of c or k beginning and z or s ending, were to
preserve the pronunciation in different languages. The family's
languages were French, Spanish, and Turkish. My husband chose the s
ending when he came to the U.S. because he thought it seemed more
American. I thought it looked like the plural of Kaze, so I said no,
I'll stick with z and the kids got the z also.

Ruth Talman Kazez, wife of kazes, daughter-in-law of cazes and kazez

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Mostly, the variations of c or k beginning and z or s ending, were to
preserve the pronunciation in different languages. The family's languages
were French, Spanish, and Turkish. My husband chose the s ending when he
came to the U.S. because he thought it seemed more American. I thought it
looked like the plural of Kaze, so I said no, I'll stick with z and the
kids got the z also.

Ruth Talman Kazez, wife of kazes, daughter-in-law of cazes and kazez

Cazes sounds very french!
Kazez not at all...

-- Olivier

Silver0l said:

Cazes sounds very french!
Kazez not at all...

-- Olivier

You're right. They used Cazes during the years they lived in France.
Kazez is for Turkey. Phonetics was everything. 500 years ago they
migrated from Spain. So they still speak Spanish. That seems a bit
stubborn to me, but nice to have three languages at home. Then came
English. His spelling in all four languages is horrendous, however.

rtk

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rtk said:

Mostly, the variations of c or k beginning and z or s ending, were to
preserve the pronunciation in different languages. The family's
languages were French, Spanish, and Turkish. My husband chose the s
ending when he came to the U.S. because he thought it seemed more
American. I thought it looked like the plural of Kaze, so I said no,
I'll stick with z and the kids got the z also.

Ruth Talman Kazez, wife of kazes, daughter-in-law of cazes and kazez

I think it's rather cool that you took your husband's surname but got
to choose your own spelling of it!

I have always assumed it's pronounced KAY-zez - or is it more like
KAR-zez? Or is the emPHAsis on the other sylLABle?

Liz Mooney Davidson (wife of Davidson - we're very boring around here)

Liz D said:

I have always assumed it's pronounced KAY-zez - or is it more like
KAR-zez? Or is the emPHAsis on the other sylLABle?

Liz Mooney Davidson (wife of Davidson - we're very boring around here)

KahZEZ accent on 2nd syllable. But Mooney is cool!

Back onT to strokes, I've been swimming long course the last 3 days
because of Edmonton. 50 meters is 3 times as long as 25 yards. During
the last 7 meters of fly I was just about vertical. How long is it
going to take to get used to this length. Amazing how much rest and
extra speed comes off the turn. I'm taking more strokes now than I want
to count.

rtk

rtk said:

Liz D said:

I have always assumed it's pronounced KAY-zez - or is it more like
KAR-zez? Or is the emPHAsis on the other sylLABle?

Liz Mooney Davidson (wife of Davidson - we're very boring around here)

KahZEZ accent on 2nd syllable. But Mooney is cool!

It wasn't so cool at school, it was the subject of much teasing - but
then kids always find something to tease about.

I suddenly got quite fond of it just when I got married and had to
decide what name I was going to use. But we moved to New Zealand about
6 months after we got married and had to set up all new bank accounts,
get a new drivers licence, etc so I went with Davidson. No-one in NZ
has ever known me as anything other than Liz Davidson, so it made the
transition easier.

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Back onT to strokes, I've been swimming long course the last 3 days
because of Edmonton. 50 meters is 3 times as long as 25 yards. During
the last 7 meters of fly I was just about vertical. How long is it
going to take to get used to this length. Amazing how much rest and
extra speed comes off the turn. I'm taking more strokes now than I want
to count.

rtk

I am an exponent of the "stationary butterfly" described elsewhere on
this thread. However I did manange to complete a race of butterfly a
few months ago. The meet was held in a 33.33m pool, which is the length
I train in most often and rested, with a dive or push-off, on a good
day (downhill, with a following wind ... )I can just about manage a
length of butterfly. So I entered the event and actually completed it.
The chances of me managing a whole 50m of it are close to zero.

Liz D