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Finally, some accountability

Kurgan Gringion · 2003-07-14T21:00:22+00:00

from David Millar. http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/tour03/?id=results/stage9 Scot David Millar (Cofidis) made an audacious attack with 31 km to go, but his move was too soon. Millar might have arrived with the best today, but ended up in the third group, losing almost a minute to Maillot Jaune Armstrong. "I thought the course went up that climb, descended and went up the next climb," explained Millar. "I didn't realize I had so much flat and headwind...a bit of a tactical error. I was really trying hard and I was enjoying it. Mistakes, you've got to learn from them..."

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Kurgan Gringion
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14 July 2003, 21:00 UTC #1

from David Millar.
cyclingnews.comtour03
Scot David Millar (Cofidis) made an audacious attack with 31 km to go, but his move was too soon.
Millar might have arrived with the best today, but ended up in the third group, losing almost a
minute to Maillot Jaune Armstrong. "I thought the course went up that climb, descended and went
up the next climb," explained Millar. "I didn't realize I had so much flat and headwind...a bit
of a tactical error. I was really trying hard and I was enjoying it. Mistakes, you've got to
learn from them..."

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Erik Van Leeuwe
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14 July 2003, 21:00 UTC #2

Could have been avoided by exploring the stages before the Tour. Lance did, Boogerd did (and knew
the tarmac would be melting in that descent), Millar didn't, did Beloki do this?
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from David Millar.
cyclingnews.comtour03
Scot David Millar (Cofidis) made an audacious attack with 31 km to go, but his move was too soon.
Millar might have arrived with the best today, but ended up in the third group, losing almost a
minute to Maillot Jaune Armstrong. "I thought the course went up that climb, descended and went up
the next climb," explained Millar. "I didn't realize I had so much flat

and
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headwind...a bit of a tactical error. I was really trying hard and I was enjoying it. Mistakes,
you've got to learn from them..."

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Alex Beascoeche
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14 July 2003, 22:00 UTC #3

Beloki did "on site" preparation this year. But could you explain what is that he should have done
when he noticed that he had dipped his tire into melted tar. Maybe wait one minute of two for
Boogerd to arrive and ask him?
"Erik van Leeuwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Could have been avoided by exploring the stages before the Tour. Lance

did,
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Boogerd did (and knew the tarmac would be melting in that descent), Millar didn't, did Beloki
do this?
"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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from David Millar.
cyclingnews.comtour03
Scot David Millar (Cofidis) made an audacious attack with 31 km to go,

but
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
his move was too soon. Millar might have arrived with the best today,

but
Quoted message said:
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ended up in the third group, losing almost a minute to Maillot Jaune Armstrong. "I thought the
course went up that climb, descended and went

up
Quoted message said:
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the next climb," explained Millar. "I didn't realize I had so much flat

and
Quoted message said:
headwind...a bit of a tactical error. I was really trying hard and I was enjoying it. Mistakes,
you've got to learn from them..."

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Erik Van Leeuwe
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14 July 2003, 22:00 UTC #4

Hehe, maybe he forgot to do cross country training this winter...
"Alex Beascoechea" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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Beloki did "on site" preparation this year. But could you explain what is that he should have done
when he noticed that he had dipped his tire into melted tar. Maybe wait one minute of two for
Boogerd to arrive and ask

him?
Quoted message said:

"Erik van Leeuwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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Could have been avoided by exploring the stages before the Tour. Lance

did,
Quoted message said:
Boogerd did (and knew the tarmac would be melting in that descent),

Millar
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Quoted message said:
didn't, did Beloki do this?
"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
from David Millar.
cyclingnews.comtour03
Scot David Millar (Cofidis) made an audacious attack with 31 km to go,

but
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
his move was too soon. Millar might have arrived with the best today,

but
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
ended up in the third group, losing almost a minute to Maillot Jaune Armstrong. "I thought the
course went up that climb, descended and

went
Quoted message said:
up
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
the next climb," explained Millar. "I didn't realize I had so much

flat
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
and
Quoted message said:
headwind...a bit of a tactical error. I was really trying hard and I

was
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
enjoying it. Mistakes, you've got to learn from them..."

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Alex Beascoeche
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14 July 2003, 22:30 UTC #5

I do not think that the problem is one of scouting the roads in advance. The cyclist have to stand
road conditions in the TdF that are not tolereated in lesser races (such as the Giro and the
Vuelta). Everybody knew about these roads and what happens at 37C but to compound the problems they
send along a caravan of hundreds of cars and trucks in advance to screw up the tarmac a bit more and
leave it even more irregular (till it melts back into a smooth shape). Maybe the organizers should
do some checking of the conditions themselves (if only for concern about the cyclists safety)
instead of giving in to whoever pays higher.
"Erik van Leeuwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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Hehe, maybe he forgot to do cross country training this winter...
"Alex Beascoechea" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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Beloki did "on site" preparation this year. But could you explain what

is
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Quoted message said:
that he should have done when he noticed that he had dipped his tire

into
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
melted tar. Maybe wait one minute of two for Boogerd to arrive and ask

him?
Quoted message said:

"Erik van Leeuwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Could have been avoided by exploring the stages before the Tour. Lance

did,
Quoted message said:
Boogerd did (and knew the tarmac would be melting in that descent),

Millar
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Quoted message said:
didn't, did Beloki do this?
"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote

in
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> from David Millar.
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> cyclingnews.comtour03
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> Scot David Millar (Cofidis) made an audacious attack with 31 km to

go,
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but
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> his move was too soon. Millar might have arrived with the best

today,
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but
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> ended up in the third group, losing almost a minute to Maillot Jaune Armstrong. "I thought
> the course went up that climb, descended and

went
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up
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> the next climb," explained Millar. "I didn't realize I had so much

flat
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and
> headwind...a bit of a tactical error. I was really trying hard and I

was
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> enjoying it. Mistakes, you've got to learn from them..."
>
>
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Warren
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14 July 2003, 23:00 UTC #6

In article said:
I do not think that the problem is one of scouting the roads in advance. The cyclist have to stand
road conditions in the TdF that are not tolereated in lesser races (such as the Giro and the
Vuelta). Everybody knew about these roads and what happens at 37C but to compound the problems
they send along a caravan of hundreds of cars and trucks in advance to screw up the tarmac a bit
more and leave it even more irregular (till it melts back into a smooth shape). Maybe the
organizers should do some checking of the conditions themselves (if only for concern about the
cyclists safety) instead of giving in to whoever pays higher.
I saw a photo yesterday of a water truck spraying water on the pavement in advance of the riders in
an attempt to cool the road surface.
-WG

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B. Lafferty
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15 July 2003, 00:00 UTC #7

Maybe they should unpave the roads and return them to a retro state, circa 1949.
Crashes happen. That's racing. Tough break (no pun intended) but Beloki is not the first Tour
contender to crash out of a major tour. Take a look a Coppi cheering Bobet while recovering from his
broken bones.
"Alex Beascoechea" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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I do not think that the problem is one of scouting the roads in advance.

The
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cyclist have to stand road conditions in the TdF that are not tolereated

in
Quoted message said:
lesser races (such as the Giro and the Vuelta). Everybody knew about these roads and what happens
at 37C but to compound the problems they send along

a
Quoted message said:
caravan of hundreds of cars and trucks in advance to screw up the tarmac a bit more and leave it
even more irregular (till it melts back into a

smooth
Quoted message said:
shape). Maybe the organizers should do some checking of the conditions themselves (if only for
concern about the cyclists safety) instead of giving in to whoever pays higher.
"Erik van Leeuwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Hehe, maybe he forgot to do cross country training this winter...
"Alex Beascoechea" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Beloki did "on site" preparation this year. But could you explain what

is
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
that he should have done when he noticed that he had dipped his tire

into
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
melted tar. Maybe wait one minute of two for Boogerd to arrive and ask

him?
Quoted message said:

"Erik van Leeuwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> Could have been avoided by exploring the stages before the Tour.

Lance
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did,
> Boogerd did (and knew the tarmac would be melting in that descent),

Millar
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> didn't, did Beloki do this?
>
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote

in
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> > from David Millar.
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> > cyclingnews.comtour03
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> > Scot David Millar (Cofidis) made an audacious attack with 31 km to

go,
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but
> > his move was too soon. Millar might have arrived with the best

today,
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but
> > ended up in the third group, losing almost a minute to Maillot

Jaune
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> > Armstrong. "I thought the course went up that climb, descended and

went
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up
> > the next climb," explained Millar. "I didn't realize I had so much

flat
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> and
> > headwind...a bit of a tactical error. I was really trying hard and

I
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was
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> > enjoying it. Mistakes, you've got to learn from them..."
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