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  1. I'm curious what folks think about the following.

    On a ride this past weekend with two other cyclists from my bike club,
    one rider got a flat. When he unfolded his spare tube, the valve stem
    pulled right out, so I offered him one of my extras.

    Besides the fact that I don't recall him thanking me, I'm curious to
    see if he gives (or at least offers) me a tube to replace the one I
    gave him. I can't say we're close buddies but we're certainly not
    strangers either, having ridden on club rides together for the past
    five years.

    I would not say anything to him--I'd feel petty--and I don't really
    care about a $5 tube, but I am curious because I do think that one's
    attitude about such things--thoughtfulness, courtesy, helpfulness,
    etc., on club rides--reflects one's general values in life. What's your
    experience? --Roy Zipris

  2. In our group folks always contribute tubes (and CO2) and the general
    feeling is that the payback will happen eventually when you need one
    donated back to you.
    It might work differently if there were folks who were always taking
    and never contributing but that doesn't seem to happen so it pretty
    much goes along without the need to keep score.
    But certainly a "thank you" is part of the process.

  3. The dude owes you $5. 'Specially since he didn't offer profuse thanks,
    which is called for, even in today's less polite society.

    Next time you guys wind up in some place of business together, get it
    back by asking for a beer or sammich.

  4. Roy Zipris said:

    I'm curious what folks think about the following.

    On a ride this past weekend with two other cyclists from my bike club,
    one rider got a flat. When he unfolded his spare tube, the valve stem
    pulled right out, so I offered him one of my extras.

    I always carry two spare tubes. One is brand new, the other has several
    patches. If someone (other than you, Roy...) needs an extra tube, I give
    'em the old one. That way I don't feel the guy owes me much except thanks
    for saving him from a long walk home.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems.
    _`\(,_ | -- Paul Erdos
    (_)/ (_) |

  5. Roy Zipris said:

    I would not say anything to him--I'd feel petty--and I don't really
    care about a $5 tube, but I am curious because I do think that one's
    attitude about such things--thoughtfulness, courtesy, helpfulness,
    etc., on club rides--reflects one's general values in life. What's your
    experience? --Roy Zipris

    If it's someone I ride with regularly, I give him a replacement tube next
    time (and I make sure it has the same type of valve stem). If not, I either
    offer to pay for it on the spot, or shout him coffee & cake afterwards.

    --
    bpo gallery at http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/mvw1/bpo

  6. Roy Zipris wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm curious what folks think about the following.

    Quoted message said:

    I would not say anything to him--I'd feel petty--and I don't really
    care about a $5 tube, but I am curious because I do think that one's
    attitude about such things--thoughtfulness, courtesy, helpfulness,
    etc., on club rides--reflects one's general values in life. What's your
    experience?

    I loaned someone a tube on a club ride, and when we got back to the cars, he
    stripped it out of the tire and returned it to me. I would have prefered
    cash, but getting the tube back was adequate.

    Once I saw a guy walking a nice road bike along a road where I knew the
    nearest anything was quite a few miles away. For whatever reason, his tube
    was no longer operational, and he didn't have a cell phone, and he was
    walking the bike along in his sidis with road cleats until he reached a
    payphone to call his wife. Although I was in my car, I had my bike (and bike
    bag) in the back coming home from my own ride, and gave him a new tube and
    chatted with him until he got it pumped up and operational. He gave me five
    bucks, which I felt was a reasonable trade.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
    See the books I've set free at:
    http://bookcrossing.com/referr­al/Cpetersky

  7. Quoted message said:

    I loaned someone a tube on a club ride, and when we got back to the cars,
    he
    stripped it out of the tire and returned it to me. I would have prefered
    cash, but getting the tube back was adequate.

    I would have told him to keep the tube; as often as from road hazards, tubes
    are damaged from improper installation & removal. You got back, at best, a
    used tube.You don't know what might have been poking it from inside the tire
    either. Plus he may have been using a bit much body english when inflating
    it, and weakened the area where the tube connects to the valve.

    --Mike Jacoubowsky
    Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com
    Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

    "Claire Petersky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Roy Zipris wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm curious what folks think about the following.

    Quoted message said:

    I would not say anything to him--I'd feel petty--and I don't really
    care about a $5 tube, but I am curious because I do think that one's
    attitude about such things--thoughtfulness, courtesy, helpfulness,
    etc., on club rides--reflects one's general values in life. What's your
    experience?

    I loaned someone a tube on a club ride, and when we got back to the cars,
    he
    stripped it out of the tire and returned it to me. I would have prefered
    cash, but getting the tube back was adequate.

    Once I saw a guy walking a nice road bike along a road where I knew the
    nearest anything was quite a few miles away. For whatever reason, his tube
    was no longer operational, and he didn't have a cell phone, and he was
    walking the bike along in his sidis with road cleats until he reached a
    payphone to call his wife. Although I was in my car, I had my bike (and
    bike
    bag) in the back coming home from my own ride, and gave him a new tube and
    chatted with him until he got it pumped up and operational. He gave me
    five
    bucks, which I felt was a reasonable trade.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
    See the books I've set free at:
    http://bookcrossing.com/referr­al/Cpetersky

  8. Roy Zipris said:


    I would not say anything to him--I'd feel petty--and I don't really
    care about a $5 tube, but I am curious because I do think that one's
    attitude about such things--thoughtfulness, courtesy, helpfulness,
    etc., on club rides--reflects one's general values in life. What's your
    experience? --Roy Zipris

    Non-cycling etiquette would certainly demand he give you a new tube.
    Your buddy may feel such a formality trivial since you ride together so
    frequently and there's something to be said for paying it forward.

    Personally, I'd give you two new tubes.

    --
    My bike blog:
    http://diabloscott.blogspot.com/

  9. "Roy Zipris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm curious what folks think about the following.

    On a ride this past weekend with two other cyclists from my bike club,
    one rider got a flat. When he unfolded his spare tube, the valve stem
    pulled right out, so I offered him one of my extras.

    Besides the fact that I don't recall him thanking me, I'm curious to
    see if he gives (or at least offers) me a tube to replace the one I
    gave him. I can't say we're close buddies but we're certainly not
    strangers either, having ridden on club rides together for the past
    five years.

    I would not say anything to him--I'd feel petty--and I don't really
    care about a $5 tube, but I am curious because I do think that one's
    attitude about such things--thoughtfulness, courtesy, helpfulness,
    etc., on club rides--reflects one's general values in life. What's your
    experience? --Roy Zipris

    I give tubes, CO2 cartridges, and anything else they need to get home to
    anyone who needs it regardless of if I know them or not. Most club members
    usually give me a new tube the next time that they see me but if they forget
    I don't fret over it.

  10. Claire Petersky said:

    Roy Zipris wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm curious what folks think about the following.

    Quoted message said:

    I would not say anything to him--I'd feel petty--and I don't really
    care about a $5 tube, but I am curious because I do think that one's
    attitude about such things--thoughtfulness, courtesy, helpfulness,
    etc., on club rides--reflects one's general values in life. What's your
    experience?

    I loaned someone a tube on a club ride, and when we got back to the cars, he
    stripped it out of the tire and returned it to me. I would have prefered
    cash, but getting the tube back was adequate.

    Once I saw a guy walking a nice road bike along a road where I knew the
    nearest anything was quite a few miles away. For whatever reason, his tube
    was no longer operational, and he didn't have a cell phone, and he was
    walking the bike along in his sidis with road cleats until he reached a
    payphone to call his wife. Although I was in my car, I had my bike (and bike
    bag) in the back coming home from my own ride, and gave him a new tube and
    chatted with him until he got it pumped up and operational. He gave me five
    bucks, which I felt was a reasonable trade.

    Cool. I've never had occasion to help a fellow cyclist, but it would give
    me a thrill - at least the first time. Receiving anything back in return
    would seem trivial compared to the great feeling, good will and a chance to
    talk to a fellow rider. Uh, typically I don't carry an assortment of tubes
    or anything, but I do carry a floor pump in my car.

    jj

  11. A few weeks ago, I saw a guy with a Pinarello Prince along the
    roadside. Asked if he needed anything. He needed a pump.

    He had deep V rims and his pump wouldn't bite on the short Presta
    valve he'd inexplicably brought with him. My pump wouldn't do it
    either. I gave him my spare tube (with its longer valve stem).

    Not only was he profusely grateful, and offered me $5 (I told him not
    to worry about it), but we rode another 20 miles when he was back
    underway, after which he offered to buy me lunch at Chipotle's.

    I just told him to pay it forward if he got the chance.

    In that circumstance, the gratitude and the offer were payment enough.

    We help each other out there, cyclists do. If you know each other,
    then it's a given between friends (I'd *still* be profusely thankful
    and offer compensation). If it's just some guy whose name I dont'
    even know, I'd think a bit of common courtesy would have gone a long
    way.

  12. Roy Zipris said:

    I'm curious what folks think about the following.

    On a ride this past weekend with two other cyclists from my bike club,
    one rider got a flat. When he unfolded his spare tube, the valve stem
    pulled right out, so I offered him one of my extras.

    Besides the fact that I don't recall him thanking me, I'm curious to
    see if he gives (or at least offers) me a tube to replace the one I
    gave him. I can't say we're close buddies but we're certainly not
    strangers either, having ridden on club rides together for the past
    five years.

    I would not say anything to him--I'd feel petty--and I don't really
    care about a $5 tube, but I am curious because I do think that one's
    attitude about such things--thoughtfulness, courtesy, helpfulness,
    etc., on club rides--reflects one's general values in life. What's your
    experience? --Roy Zipris

    If it was me...

    I'd offer the guy the option of cash or a new spare tube... his choice.

    The later option might be more appreciated since it would save this
    fellow a trip to the store. I can do the running.

    My "thank you's" would have been forthcoming at some point as well, very
    likely at the point I was offered the tube or perhaps when I offered him
    a choice of cash or a replacement tube next time we meet up. Sometimes
    the "thank you's" are delayed not because one is impolite or thoughless
    but rather preoccupied with something else. In this case perhaps it was
    the internal self dialogue something like this: "What I bonehead I am...
    not checking on the state of my spare tube more often! Idiot! Grrrr!" 🙂

    Not too likely I'll ever find myself in that situation since I always
    carry two new spare tubes with me.

  13. Roy Zipris said:

    I'm curious what folks think about the following.

    On a ride this past weekend with two other cyclists from my bike club,
    one rider got a flat. When he unfolded his spare tube, the valve stem
    pulled right out, so I offered him one of my extras.

    Besides the fact that I don't recall him thanking me, I'm curious to
    see if he gives (or at least offers) me a tube to replace the one I
    gave him. I can't say we're close buddies but we're certainly not
    strangers either, having ridden on club rides together for the past
    five years.

    I would not say anything to him--I'd feel petty--and I don't really
    care about a $5 tube, but I am curious because I do think that one's
    attitude about such things--thoughtfulness, courtesy, helpfulness,
    etc., on club rides--reflects one's general values in life. What's
    your experience? --Roy Zipris

    I'd offer a new tube or cash, but wouldn't expect it in return. I frequently
    give this stuff away without a second thought. Eventually the favor is returned
    by someone.

    Matt O.

  14. jj said:

    Cool. I've never had occasion to help a fellow cyclist, but it would give
    me a thrill - at least the first time. Receiving anything back in return
    would seem trivial compared to the great feeling, good will and a chance to
    talk to a fellow rider. Uh, typically I don't carry an assortment of tubes
    or anything, but I do carry a floor pump in my car.

    Toss a tube in the trunk. You'll probably need it at some point, and if
    you have a chance to help someone out, all the better. I keep at least
    one in the back, along with old helmets and gloves. You'd be surprised
    how many riders forget these -- sometimes I need them myself.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | The lottery is a tax on those who fail to understand
    _`\(,_ | mathematics.
    (_)/ (_) |

  15. 6 Jun 2005 12:25:45 -0700,
    <[email hidden]>, "Roy Zipris"

    Quoted message said:

    When he unfolded his spare tube, the valve stem
    pulled right out, so I offered him one of my extras.

    That busted tube has worked for at least his last six flats too.
    Why bother replacing it? Works fine.
    --
    zk

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Roy Zipris said:

    I'm curious what folks think about the following.

    On a ride this past weekend with two other cyclists from my bike club,
    one rider got a flat. When he unfolded his spare tube, the valve stem
    pulled right out, so I offered him one of my extras.

    Besides the fact that I don't recall him thanking me, I'm curious to
    see if he gives (or at least offers) me a tube to replace the one I
    gave him. I can't say we're close buddies but we're certainly not
    strangers either, having ridden on club rides together for the past
    five years.

    I would not say anything to him--I'd feel petty--and I don't really
    care about a $5 tube, but I am curious because I do think that one's
    attitude about such things--thoughtfulness, courtesy, helpfulness,
    etc., on club rides--reflects one's general values in life. What's your
    experience? --Roy Zipris

    Well, I was in his position a few months back, and got the loan from a
    clubmate who I knew I would see at the next ride (in my case, it was for
    the embarrassing reason that I had a short-stem spare and needed a
    long-stem).

    I did the only accceptable thing: I gave him a new tube next week, and
    though I didn't match the brand, I tried to be scrupulous about giving
    him back a tube with a long stem and of comparable quality (he gave me a
    race-grade brand-name tube, so the replacement I gave him was a
    Bontrager race-grade tube, still in its chrome box; I recommend the
    Bontragers as repayment tubes, because the box is very shiny and
    impressive).

    The philosophy here is to be generous in assistance and scrupulous in
    repayment. I would have no problem in giving away a spare tube to a
    complete stranger, with no expectation of recompense, if it was the
    missing link to get them home, even if it was an overpriced Bontrager
    tubes.

    I relate the anecdotes above not so much to excoriate your clubmate, or
    to encourage you to exact a quest for restitution (it's likely you have
    no legal recourse, since you freely gave him the tube in the first
    place). I relate it as a prescription for your own behaviour, which is
    to continue to give away tubes even to those who don't return them, but
    to be scrupulous about replacing the tubes others give you, to the
    extent you can.

    Just to give the converse, if I had to take a tube from a stranger, I
    would offer them the usual (coffee at the end of the ride, $5 if I had
    it and if they weren't going my way), but wouldn't fret if they said
    "don't worry!"

    Also, as Mike and Claire related, don't return a used tube. Even if you
    got a used tube as a spare, be generous in repayment and give them back
    a new one. It will make the donor feel warm and fuzzy.

    Our club's Saturday Ride policies explicitly state that club members
    should bring extra food, water and spares to share with underequipped
    guest riders,

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  17. : I would have told him to keep the tube; as often as from road hazards,
    tubes
    : are damaged from improper installation & removal. You got back, at best, a
    : used tube.You don't know what might have been poking it from inside the
    tire
    : either. Plus he may have been using a bit much body english when inflating
    : it, and weakened the area where the tube connects to the valve.
    :
    : --Mike Jacoubowsky

    I bet she was so surprised that he pulled out the tube and gave it to her
    that she didn't think of the downsides that you mentioned. I know I would be
    astonished if someone did that to me.

    Pat in TX

  18. Mike Jacoubowsky wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I loaned someone a tube on a club ride, and when we got back to the cars,
    he
    stripped it out of the tire and returned it to me. I would have prefered
    cash, but getting the tube back was adequate.

    I would have told him to keep the tube; as often as from road hazards,


    tubes

    Quoted message said:

    are damaged from improper installation & removal. You got back, at best, a
    used tube.You don't know what might have been poking it from inside the


    tire

    Quoted message said:

    either. Plus he may have been using a bit much body english when inflating
    it, and weakened the area where the tube connects to the valve.

    I agree. He was very big on giving me the tube back, though.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
    See the books I've set free at:
    http://bookcrossing.com/referr­al/Cpetersky

  19. Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:13:59 -0700,
    <1118099639.c3042b399419be06fe135e1964c0c8ee@teranews>, Diablo Scott

    Quoted message said:

    Personally, I'd give you two new tubes.

    Sure, make him carry your spares.
    --
    zk

  20. Neil Brooks wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    We help each other out there, cyclists do. If you know each other,
    then it's a given between friends (I'd *still* be profusely thankful
    and offer compensation). If it's just some guy whose name I dont'
    even know, I'd think a bit of common courtesy would have gone a long
    way.

    OK, I'll tell another, how nice I am to my fellow cyclists but it gets
    returned to me story. I was riding to work, and I found a hi-vis jacket on
    the eastern high-rise of the floating bridge. I stopped -- an advantage of
    being slow -- and picked it up. I was going to post on the local commuter
    board that I found it, but when I got to the computer to make the post,
    someone had already posted that he lost his jacket on the way to work. It
    matched the description of the one I found. I rode to his workplace on the
    way home one day and returned it to him. He then in turn sponsored me for
    the Big Climb, a Leukemia fund-raiser I participated in a few months ago.
    Just to top off the feel-good nature of this story, I recently heard from my
    friend in whose name I did the fund-raiser, and her leukemia is now in
    remission. Hooray for all of us.

    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
    See the books I've set free at:
    http://bookcrossing.com/referr­al/Cpetersky

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