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  1. Here's a belated TR from the bank holiday weekend - didn't get round to
    sorting out the photos earlier. Photos are at
    http://users.aber.ac.uk/ruw/album/050530.html .

    I got out relatively early on bank holiday Monday, starting the walk
    from Dinas Mawddwy to Waun Oer and back. There is no way to make this
    a circular walk other than including a 500m descent and reascent on
    forest roads on top of what is a rather long walk anyway. The reason
    that there is no circular option is that the walk is along a rather
    steep-sided ridge which has hollows alternatingly on either side.
    Great views guaranteed if the weather is fine!

    I first skirted up the northern and western side of Foel Dinas to
    Bwlch Siglen, the beginning of the ridge. There is a short diversion
    inside the forest which causes the path to become awkwardly muddy and
    steep for a short section. It wasn't too bad on Monday, but I wouldn't
    like coming down that way in rain. The hillside is decorated all over
    with what I take for Rhododendrons.

    After the forest, the view opens up and the Maesglase waterfall comes
    into view - a narrow stream falling down by some 200m in several steps.
    I could hear the A470, a major road by Mid Wales standards, quite
    clearly on this section, but it got better as soon as I reached Bwlch
    Siglen. I followed the path steeply up Maesglase and then over open
    moorland along the crest of the Maesglase cliffs. Then back towards
    the fence and towards Craig Portas, where the drop is towards the
    north. The main path here is really on the wrong side of the fence:
    The soil at the top is drifting gradually towards the drop, and the
    path is broken up several times due to this motion. When I decided
    that I'd be more comfortable on the other side of the fence, it turned
    out that a few people or sheep must have thought that before as well
    as there was a faint path.

    Cadair Idris is clear in view all the time as it is quite a bit higher.
    I enjoyed the view across the carved-out hollow and on to Cadair Idris
    very much and had a long break just lying in the grass and taking in
    the view:
    http://users.aber.ac.uk/ruw/album/05053058bwCraigPortasCadairIdris.jpg

    The next summit on the ridge is Waun Oer, and it's necessary to go
    down quite a lot only to have to scramble up to its broad summit plateau.
    There is a rusty iron box about a cubic metre in size sitting on two
    wooden beams inside a ring of stones:
    http://users.aber.ac.uk/ruw/album/05053062bWaunOerBox.jpg
    Does anyone know whose it is and what it's used for?

    The view west and north from Waun Oer must be one of the best panoramas
    of north Wales! Immediately north, there is a bit of a plain so that
    all of Snowdonia presents itself very impressively, from Cadair Idris
    to the west, the Rhinogydd, Moelwyn, Arenig etc. I've tried to catch
    this view in a stiched-together panorama
    http://users.aber.ac.uk/ruw/album/05053064bwWaunOerPano.jpg . It's
    not perfect, though, as I never bother carrying a tripod.

    After another long rest near the trig point, it was all the way back.
    I met, for the second time, a lonely lamb without any adult sheep
    in sight. The poor little bugger won't make it much longer I fear!

    Lower cloud and a chilly wind was now beginning to come in from the
    sea, and it was time to get off the hill. I missed the turn just
    before Maen Du and had to retrace more than a kilometre. Stupid me!
    At Bwlch Siglen, I branched off my outward track and went down towards
    the A470 which I then had to follow for about a kilometre back to
    Dinas Mawddwy.

    Bank holiday weekend? Coming into force of the right to roam in
    Wales this weekend? I've met one other walker on Saturday and none
    at all on Monday! I bet they were all queueing up Carnedd Dafydd...
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

  2. On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:22:38 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Rudi
    Winter) wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Bank holiday weekend? Coming into force of the right to roam in
    Wales this weekend? I've met one other walker on Saturday and none
    at all on Monday! I bet they were all queueing up Carnedd Dafydd...

    It's an unbelievably quiet area, isn't it? I don't know why -
    perfectly good scenery and views, and some superb walking.
    --
    R
    o
    o
    n
    e
    y

    "I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone

  3. Rudi Winter wrote:

    <snip>

    Are the Ravens still there ? A very playful bunch.

    Chris

  4. The message <[email hidden]>
    from Rooney <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    It's an unbelievably quiet area, isn't it? I don't know why -
    perfectly good scenery and views, and some superb walking.

    It can be. Back in the early 70s I spent a good deal of time in that
    area and several years in succession when out on a long walk on my own
    I came across hordes of walkers on the annual womble from Dinas Mawddwy
    YHA to Kings. One year returning down the spur (Mynydd Gwerngraig) to
    the A487 road crossing I even bumped into someone I had met the previous
    year at the LDWAs first AGM.

    --
    Roger Chapman so far this year 34 summits
    New - 15 (Marilyns 4, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 10)
    Repeats - 19 (Marilyns 5, Sweats 10, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

  5. On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:01:34 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The message <[email hidden]>
    from Rooney <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    It's an unbelievably quiet area, isn't it? I don't know why -
    perfectly good scenery and views, and some superb walking.

    It can be. Back in the early 70s I spent a good deal of time in that
    area and several years in succession when out on a long walk on my own
    I came across hordes of walkers on the annual womble from Dinas Mawddwy
    YHA to Kings. One year returning down the spur (Mynydd Gwerngraig) to
    the A487 road crossing I even bumped into someone I had met the previous
    year at the LDWAs first AGM.

    Is that part of the Cambrian Way?
    --
    R
    o
    o
    n
    e
    y

    "I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone

  6. On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:22:38 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Rudi

    Winter) said:

    Here's a belated TR from the bank holiday weekend - didn't get round to
    sorting out the photos earlier. Photos are at
    http://users.aber.ac.uk/ruw/album/050530.html .

    [...]
    A great report, thanks. I hope the lamb found shelter.

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

  7. The message <[email hidden]>
    from Rooney <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's an unbelievably quiet area, isn't it? I don't know why -
    perfectly good scenery and views, and some superb walking.

    It can be. Back in the early 70s I spent a good deal of time in that
    area and several years in succession when out on a long walk on my own
    I came across hordes of walkers on the annual womble from Dinas Mawddwy
    YHA to Kings. One year returning down the spur (Mynydd Gwerngraig) to
    the A487 road crossing I even bumped into someone I had met the previous
    year at the LDWAs first AGM.

    Quoted message said:

    Is that part of the Cambrian Way?

    Could be. I can't recall where it goes other than over Cadair and
    avoiding the Arans.

    I can't remember either the proper name for the womble referred to above
    but ISTR reading relatively recently that the organisers had been asked
    to re-route the walk to avoid the Mynydd Gwerngraig spur.

    --
    Roger Chapman so far this year 34 summits
    New - 15 (Marilyns 4, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 10)
    Repeats - 19 (Marilyns 5, Sweats 10, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

  8. Rooney said:

    On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:01:34 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The message <[email hidden]>
    from Rooney <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    It's an unbelievably quiet area, isn't it? I don't know why -
    perfectly good scenery and views, and some superb walking.

    It can be. Back in the early 70s I spent a good deal of time in that
    area and several years in succession when out on a long walk on my own
    I came across hordes of walkers on the annual womble from Dinas Mawddwy
    YHA to Kings. One year returning down the spur (Mynydd Gwerngraig) to
    the A487 road crossing I even bumped into someone I had met the previous
    year at the LDWAs first AGM.

    Is that part of the Cambrian Way?

    If you want... The beauty of The Cambrian Way is that it was never
    officialised, so there are variations...

    Mind I tried it once, Started in Porthcawl, got as far as Llandovery
    before storms finally won and I packed in. August 1979 for those who
    remember - dark times.

    Great hills, and that waterfall off Maesglasau. I fully intend to pay
    them another visit.. Getting to miss Wales quite badly.

    Richard Webb

  9. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    If you want... The beauty of The Cambrian Way is that it was never
    officialised, so there are variations...

    Mind I tried it once, Started in Porthcawl, got as far as Llandovery
    before storms finally won and I packed in. August 1979 for those who
    remember - dark times.


    Was that the year when it got so dark in the middle of the day on one
    occasion that the streetlights all came on in central London? Dark
    indeed - it was about 3pm in August and looked more like 9pm in winter.

    I trust the caff was open in Llandovery for you to take refuge in?
    Marvellous place.
    --
    /
    Fran O(<|={
    \

  10. Rooney said:

    It's an unbelievably quiet area, isn't it? I don't know why -
    perfectly good scenery and views, and some superb walking.

    I think it's because you can turn the map back and forth and still
    can't make it a circular walk. And the fact that it's nowhere
    near 1000m or 3000ft or whatever probably helps as well.
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

  11. Chris Gilbert said:

    Are the Ravens still there ? A very playful bunch.


    No, I haven't seen any. The only time I noticed ravens so far was on
    Yr Eifl on the Llyn peninsula a while ago. Strolling through the
    massive iron age hill fort with the big birds over head and cloud
    drifting in had an eerie touch to it.
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

  12. Rooney said:

    On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:01:34 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The message <[email hidden]>
    from Rooney <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    It's an unbelievably quiet area, isn't it? I don't know why -
    perfectly good scenery and views, and some superb walking.

    It can be. Back in the early 70s I spent a good deal of time in that
    area and several years in succession when out on a long walk on my own
    I came across hordes of walkers on the annual womble from Dinas Mawddwy
    YHA to Kings. One year returning down the spur (Mynydd Gwerngraig) to
    the A487 road crossing I even bumped into someone I had met the previous
    year at the LDWAs first AGM.

    Is that part of the Cambrian Way?

    There is no defined route of the Cambrian Way but only certain points
    that people connect as they please. The points on that section, I think,
    are Dinas Mawddwy, Bwlch Siglen, and Cadair Idris.
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

  13. Rudi Winter wrote

    Quoted message said:

    No, I haven't seen any. The only time I noticed ravens so far was on
    Yr Eifl on the Llyn peninsula a while ago. Strolling through the
    massive iron age hill fort with the big birds over head and cloud
    drifting in had an eerie touch to it.

    Ah, now then. Llyn. Choughs of course. Right down the end, opposite
    Bardsey. A good two dozen or so of them.

    Chris

  14. Fran said:

    [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    If you want... The beauty of The Cambrian Way is that it was never
    officialised, so there are variations...

    Mind I tried it once, Started in Porthcawl, got as far as Llandovery
    before storms finally won and I packed in. August 1979 for those who
    remember - dark times.


    Was that the year when it got so dark in the middle of the day on one
    occasion that the streetlights all came on in central London? Dark
    indeed - it was about 3pm in August and looked more like 9pm in winter.

    I trust the caff was open in Llandovery for you to take refuge in?
    Marvellous place.

    Yes.. I know the place...
    It was the storm that did in the Fastnet Race that got me.. Sat that
    out in a colliery and a bivvy on Craig y Llyn. The rain that followed
    finally finished me off.

    Richard Webb

  15. Chris Gilbert said:


    Rudi Winter wrote

    Quoted message said:

    No, I haven't seen any. The only time I noticed ravens so far was on
    Yr Eifl on the Llyn peninsula a while ago. Strolling through the
    massive iron age hill fort with the big birds over head and cloud
    drifting in had an eerie touch to it.

    Ah, now then. Llyn. Choughs of course. Right down the end, opposite
    Bardsey. A good two dozen or so of them.

    Well, black birds much larger than a bog standard field crow anyway.
    I'm not sure if they had black or red beaks - that's the difference
    I believe?

    Yr Eifl is on the eastern end of the Llyn, though, not on the Bardsey
    side, so there may be space for both.
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

  16. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I trust the caff was open in Llandovery for you to take refuge in?
    Marvellous place.

    Yes.. I know the place...

    Impossible to go through the main part of Llandovery without noticing it
    :-)

    Quoted message said:

    It was the storm that did in the Fastnet Race that got me..

    That may well have been the same year.

    Quoted message said:

    Sat that
    out in a colliery and a bivvy on Craig y Llyn. The rain that followed
    finally finished me off.


    Ah well, if it ever happens again that you need refuge in that area, I'm
    not far away. A hot shower awaits and I'll put the kettle on. Later in
    the evening there may even be a bottle of beer if we've been shopping
    lately. Phil stayed here the other weekend and survived to tell the
    tale - I thought he was incredibly brave though because I'm darned sure
    I probably wouldn't want to. Hang on - what have I just said...?
    --
    /
    Fran O(<|={
    \

  17. Rudi Winter said:
    Chris Gilbert said:


    Rudi Winter wrote

    Quoted message said:

    No, I haven't seen any. The only time I noticed ravens so far was on
    Yr Eifl on the Llyn peninsula a while ago. Strolling through the
    massive iron age hill fort with the big birds over head and cloud
    drifting in had an eerie touch to it.

    Ah, now then. Llyn. Choughs of course. Right down the end, opposite
    Bardsey. A good two dozen or so of them.

    Well, black birds much larger than a bog standard field crow anyway.
    I'm not sure if they had black or red beaks - that's the difference
    I believe?

    If anything a chough is slightly smaller than a crow. If they were
    bigger than crows they were most likely to have been ravens.

    My book gives these lengths for the common corvine "black birds."

    Chough 40
    Jackdaw 33
    Raven 65
    Crow 47
    Rook 47

    Red feet and bill is the distinguishing feature of the chough. The
    bill is more slender and curved than the others.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"


  18. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ah, now then. Llyn. Choughs of course. Right down the end, opposite
    Bardsey. A good two dozen or so of them.

    Well, black birds much larger than a bog standard field crow anyway.
    I'm not sure if they had black or red beaks - that's the difference
    I believe?

    If anything a chough is slightly smaller than a crow. If they were
    bigger than crows they were most likely to have been ravens.

    My book gives these lengths for the common corvine "black birds."

    Chough 40
    Jackdaw 33
    Raven 65
    Crow 47
    Rook 47

    Red feet and bill is the distinguishing feature of the chough. The
    bill is more slender and curved than the others.

    Mental fliers too... Great displays of aerobatics on a breezy day.
    Holyhead Mountain is another good spot for them. I have often seen
    them inland on the hills, Moelwyns especially.

    Best hill of all for Choughs in this neck of the woods is Brandon over
    in Co. Kerry.,

    Richard Webb

  19. In article <[email hidden]>, W. D. Grey said...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    My book gives these lengths for the common corvine "black birds."

    Chough 40
    Jackdaw 33
    Raven 65
    Crow 47
    Rook 47

    Red feet and bill is the distinguishing feature of the chough. The
    bill is more slender and curved than the others.

    There was a saying that if you see a crowd of Crows - they're Jackdaws.

    If you see a Jackdaw on its own - it's a Crow !

    Funny sort of logic there somewhere.


    Very strange logic that - the two birds aren't remotely alike!
    --
    /
    Fran O(<|={
    \

  20. In article <[email hidden]>, Goalie of the Century
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, W. D. Grey
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    My book gives these lengths for the common corvine "black birds."

    Chough 40
    Jackdaw 33
    Raven 65
    Crow 47
    Rook 47

    Red feet and bill is the distinguishing feature of the chough. The
    bill is more slender and curved than the others.

    There was a saying that if you see a crowd of Crows - they're Jackdaws.

    If you see a Jackdaw on its own - it's a Crow !

    Funny sort of logic there somewhere.

    I've heard that one with Rooks rather than Jackdaws. Round here
    (Belfast Lough), Rooks, Jackdaws and Hoodies all seem happy to hang out
    together on the shore.

    I think you're right - my memory has let me down.
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

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