Dunno, but the sooner they get them made by Ortlieb or Vaude the better. The present ones have the waterproof properties of aged muslin.
Clearly Mr. Chapman has accidentally bought the open-top shopping bag rather than the pannier...
No, they're not completely waterproof because the seams leak and the zip, but /only/ the seams and the zip, since Cordura is indeed waterproof. But in 3 or 4 years of regular use I've never found the contents getting unacceptably wet.
Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
No, they're not completely waterproof because the seams leak and the zip, but /only/ the seams and the zip, since Cordura is indeed waterproof. But in 3 or 4 years of regular use I've never found the contents getting unacceptably wet.
FSVO waterproof, I'd say. OK, I was riding into driving rain at the time...
FSVO waterproof, I'd say. OK, I was riding into driving rain at the time...
In which case just add supermarket carrier, effective cost zero, every time it looks like the Monsoon season is back on, and think about the rear pockets on the pannier and how that doesn't fit well with welded seam construction, itself probably something to do with Ortlieb panniers not having pockets except via faffing with detachable ones...
And yes, I do know about how good Ortliebs are, since I run a pair of Rear Roller Pluses on the 'bent and MTB, and I'm not that bothered about the Carradice pannier on the Brom. But if you are, why not ask Carradice if they'll do you one in Cotton Duck? They've got the patterns and the material, after all...
Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
And yes, I do know about how good Ortliebs are, since I run a pair of Rear Roller Pluses on the 'bent and MTB, and I'm not that bothered about the Carradice pannier on the Brom. But if you are, why not ask Carradice if they'll do you one in Cotton Duck? They've got the patterns and the material, after all...
And they're Jolly Helpful Chaps too, who don't charge the earth for custom work IME.
-- Carol "Mmmmooooowooooff!" - the Moobark, "The Treacle People"
And they're Jolly Helpful Chaps too, who don't charge the earth for custom work IME.
I've been impressed in the past with the reworking they did on my old Carraduras to upgrade them to a better (and more recent) fixing system. My Overlanders just needed a hook change to move to C-system locking hooks, which are nice even if not quite as nice as Ortlieb's hooks.
My only problem with Carradice is their panniers max out at 11mm racks, and the Streetmachine has (very unusually) 12mm. Booh. Consequently my Carradice panniers now ride on a pal's Horizon, where they continue to do good day to day work after over 15 years with no structural problems beyond elastics and buckles being replaced over time.
Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
