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  1. Original post
    Jc6239
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    Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the climb. Lance should have waited for
    him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g

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  2. Hold My Beer An
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    "jc6239" <[email hidden]_nospam> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the climb.


    Lance

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    should have waited for him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g>

    NO WAY MAN. ITS AN AMERICAN TEAM AND IT ALL ABOUT WINNING. PENA IS NOTHING BUT A [censored] WHO'S PAID TO
    DO RIDE FOR LANCE, NOTHING ELSE. WHO CARES IF HE'S WEARING THE MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOL IN SPORT?
    TRADITION AND CLASS ARE FOR LOSERS.

    GO LANCE JUST GO!!!!!!!

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  3. Daniel Connelly
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    hold my beer and watch this... said:

    NO WAY MAN. ITS AN AMERICAN TEAM AND IT ALL ABOUT WINNING. PENA IS NOTHING BUT A [censored] WHO'S PAID
    TO DO RIDE FOR LANCE, NOTHING ELSE. WHO CARES IF HE'S WEARING THE MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOL IN SPORT?
    TRADITION AND CLASS ARE FOR LOSERS.

    Tradition and class? How far back does your comprehensive knowledge of "tradition and class" go?
    Merckx? Anquetil? Coppi?

    Winning 5 consecutive tours is tradition and class.

    Dan

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  4. Sm
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    So your telling me that Pena doesn't know that he was employed as a domestique? I guess you are one
    of those guys that think that CEO's should mention that it was some guy down in accounting that came
    up with their latest cost cutting measure that will deliver bigger profits?

    Cycling is a business as much as a sport and the simple fact is that everyone on the team earns more
    money for winning the Tour, not for wearing the MJ for two days.

    Get real and go back to your beer swilling ways you imbecile.

    "hold my beer and watch this..." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "jc6239" <[email hidden]_nospam> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the climb.


    Lance

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    should have waited for him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g>

    NO WAY MAN. ITS AN AMERICAN TEAM AND IT ALL ABOUT WINNING. PENA IS


    NOTHING

    Quoted message said:

    BUT A [censored] WHO'S PAID TO DO RIDE FOR LANCE, NOTHING ELSE. WHO CARES IF HE'S WEARING THE MOST
    IMPORTANT SYMBOL IN SPORT? TRADITION AND CLASS ARE FOR LOSERS.

    GO LANCE JUST GO!!!!!!!

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  5. Corey Green
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    That is ludicrous. Why would you change the team strategy for a three week race when the guy got
    lucky and beat Lance in the time trial? The TEAM has prepared months for this race and before anyone
    got close to France they knew what their role would be if they were chosen for the TdF team. "Defend
    where appropriate" was the term used by many interviewed - today it was not appropriate to defend
    the jersey when a non-climber is wearing it.

    "hold my beer and watch this..." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "jc6239" <[email hidden]_nospam> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the climb.


    Lance

    Quoted message said:

    should have waited for him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g>

    NO WAY MAN. ITS AN AMERICAN TEAM AND IT ALL ABOUT WINNING. PENA IS


    NOTHING

    Quoted message said:

    BUT A [censored] WHO'S PAID TO DO RIDE FOR LANCE, NOTHING ELSE. WHO CARES IF HE'S WEARING THE MOST
    IMPORTANT SYMBOL IN SPORT? TRADITION AND CLASS ARE FOR LOSERS.

    GO LANCE JUST GO!!!!!!!

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  6. Hold My Beer An
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    "Corey Green" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    That is ludicrous. Why would you change the team strategy for a three week race when the guy got
    lucky and beat Lance in the time trial?

    moron.

    B. Having someone besides Pena go back to get bottles wouldn't have changed the 'Team Strategy' one
    iota. It would, however, have shown respect for the rider, the jersey and the race.

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  7. Warren
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    In article <[email hidden]>, hold my beer and watch this...

    Quoted message said:

    "Corey Green" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    That is ludicrous. Why would you change the team strategy for a three week race when the guy got
    lucky and beat Lance in the time trial?


    Quoted message said:

    moron.

    B. Having someone besides Pena go back to get bottles wouldn't have changed the 'Team Strategy'
    one iota. It would, however, have shown respect for the rider, the jersey and the race.

    Information is enlightenment.

    Yesterday, after Pena went back for bottles the USPS director reminded him that the maillot jaune
    does not go back for bottles so Pena only did it once. Today, Pena took a long pull on the type of
    terrain he's good at and then fell back to rest up for the more important work tomorrow.

    -WG

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  8. Corey Green
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    Irrespective of what you think of me, Pena had no chance of retaining the maillot jaune today, and
    you know it. The only way he even had a slight chance is to waste the team chasing down every single
    attack and hope Pena could get back on. Why waste the team when Pena isn't even close to being an
    overall contender.

    He was happy to hold it for even a short time - let him get back to his job.

    "hold my beer and watch this..." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Corey Green" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That is ludicrous. Why would you change the team strategy for a three


    week

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    Quoted message said:

    race when the guy got lucky and beat Lance in the time trial?


    Quoted message said:

    moron.

    B. Having someone besides Pena go back to get bottles wouldn't have


    changed

    Quoted message said:

    the 'Team Strategy' one iota. It would, however, have shown respect for


    the

    Quoted message said:

    rider, the jersey and the race.

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  9. Lantern Rouge
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    hold my beer and watch this... said:


    "jc6239" <[email hidden]_nospam> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the climb.


    Lance

    Quoted message said:

    should have waited for him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g>

    NO WAY MAN. ITS AN AMERICAN TEAM AND IT ALL ABOUT WINNING. PENA IS NOTHING BUT A [censored] WHO'S PAID
    TO DO RIDE FOR LANCE, NOTHING ELSE. WHO CARES IF HE'S WEARING THE MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOL IN SPORT?
    TRADITION AND CLASS ARE FOR LOSERS.

    GO LANCE JUST GO!!!!!!!

    Jeeperz. I can only count three Gringos on the Posties squad, and one of those even has a guy for a
    Papa that swam across the Rio Grande

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  10. Ken Papai
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    #10

    "Corey Green" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That is ludicrous. Why would you change the team strategy for a three week race when the guy
    got lucky and beat Lance in the time trial? The TEAM has prepared months for this race and
    before anyone got close to France they knew what their role would be if they were chosen for
    the TdF team.


    "Defend

    Quoted message said:

    where appropriate" was the term used by many interviewed - today it was


    not

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    appropriate to defend the jersey when a non-climber is wearing it.

    You are being TROLLED by Brian Trdina.

    Quoted message said:

    "hold my beer and watch this..." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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  11. Ken Papai
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    Armstrong's teammate Victor Hugo Peña ended his reign as Maillot Jaune today, finishing 148th at
    24'56". The engaging former swimming champ, who will go down in history as the first ever Colombian
    rider to wear the Maillot Jaune, told Cyclingnews after Stage 7 that "Now after the great experience
    of wearing the yellow jersey, I'm here to work for Lance. I'm glad the way things worked out; that I
    could wear the jersey for three days was something special. But now I can go back to my real job."

    cyclingnews.comtour03

    "jc6239" <[email hidden]_nospam> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the climb.


    Lance

    Quoted message said:

    should have waited for him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g

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  12. Hold My Beer An
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    "Corey Green" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Irrespective of what you think of me, Pena had no chance of retaining the maillot jaune today, and
    you know it.

    I don't know it and you don't know it. Who knows what the guy could've done if he hadn't had to
    waste himself going back to the team car and hauling 8-10 bottles back up to the peleton 4 or
    four times?

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  13. Fred Marx
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    hold my beer and watch this... said:

    "Corey Green" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Irrespective of what you think of me, Pena had no chance of retaining the maillot jaune today, and
    you know it.

    I don't know it and you don't know it. Who knows what the guy could've done if he hadn't had to
    waste himself going back to the team car and hauling 8-10 bottles back up to the peleton 4 or
    four times?

    <flamebait>

    hey cool thought if this really bothers you why not train REAL hard and try to make the team
    yourself and then you can haul bottles for all of them.

    </flamebait

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  14. Fred Marx
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    Ken Papai said:

    "Corey Green" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That is ludicrous. Why would you change the team strategy for a three week race when the guy
    got lucky and beat Lance in the time trial? The TEAM has prepared months for this race and
    before anyone got close to France they knew what their role would be if they were chosen for
    the TdF team.

    "Defend

    Quoted message said:

    where appropriate" was the term used by many interviewed - today it was

    not

    Quoted message said:

    appropriate to defend the jersey when a non-climber is wearing it.

    You are being TROLLED by Brian Trdina.

    yeah kinda fun ain't it?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "hold my beer and watch this..." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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  15. Tom Kunich
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    Always someone who thinks that they can impress everyone with their lack of wit. And as usual it's
    someone that couldn't ride within 30 minutes of Pena on a 2 mile climb.

    "hold my beer and watch this..." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "jc6239" <[email hidden]_nospam> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the


    climb.

    Quoted message said:

    Lance

    Quoted message said:

    should have waited for him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g>

    NO WAY MAN. ITS AN AMERICAN TEAM AND IT ALL ABOUT WINNING. PENA IS


    NOTHING

    Quoted message said:

    BUT A [censored] WHO'S PAID TO DO RIDE FOR LANCE, NOTHING ELSE. WHO


    CARES IF

    Quoted message said:

    HE'S WEARING THE MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOL IN SPORT? TRADITION AND


    CLASS ARE

    Quoted message said:

    FOR LOSERS.

    GO LANCE JUST GO!!!!!!!

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  16. Benjamin Weiner
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    hold my beer and watch this... said:

    "Corey Green" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Irrespective of what you think of me, Pena had no chance of retaining the maillot jaune today,
    and you know it.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know it and you don't know it. Who knows what the guy could've done if he hadn't had to
    waste himself going back to the team car and hauling 8-10 bottles back up to the peleton 4 or
    four times?

    Dude,

    Okay, so this is a silly argument. But Pena is the guy who got kicked out of last year's Vuelta for
    hanging on the team car on the Angliru. (Which seems to me like a perfectly reasonable response to
    the Angliru, but I am not a UCI commissaire.) The guy is not a climber, and he doesn't usually get
    over the last climb in the front group. Although today he would have had more reason to try.

    Regardless, so far as I know Postal is known for two things:
    1) Your place on the team is behind Lance and if you don't know your spot in line there
    will be tears.
    2) They apparently pay the riders on time.

    Neither of these is particularly traditional. But apparently acceptable if everyone is clear on
    the terms.

    Want to start a good argument? Postal is lucky Pena was in the jersey and not Lance. If Lance
    (sorry, LANCE) had been in the jersey, they would have had to burn a lot of candles closing the gap
    on Virenque, letting him win the stage but defending the
    MJ. Because, tradition aside, it would stick in LANCE's craw to hand his jersey over to
    Tricky Dicky even for a day. As it is Postal's climbers are nice and fresh for the
    Galibier and L'Alpe.

    BTW, interesting that the MJ's destiny was set up by Quick-Step riding a better TTT than Mapei
    usually managed.

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  17. Dave Clary
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    Benjamin Weiner said:

    Regardless, so far as I know Postal is known for two things:
    1) Your place on the team is behind Lance and if you don't know your spot in line there will be
    tears.
    2) They apparently pay the riders on time.

    Neither of these is particularly traditional.

    #1 certainly isn't unprecedented. It were, Hinault wouldn't be
    mentioned with the other five-time winners. He'd be tied with Lemond at four.

    Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: home.stx.rr.comdclary Never Forget:
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  18. Dominic Richens
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    #18

    hold my beer and watch this... wrote:

    moron.

    Suppose you tell us how you have mastered controlling the weather?
    --
    Dominic Richens | [email hidden] "If you're not *outraged*, you're not paying attention!"

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