Clipless pedals and Transitions

David,

From the past triathlons I've raced in, most people either have their shoes already clipped in prior
to mounting the bike and then put there feet in once up to speed, or change into their shoes in
transition and run with shoes on to the mount line. Personally, I've found it a royal pain trying to
get wet feet into the shoes if they're already clipped into the pedals. I've tried it a few times in
the past with varied success, sometimes it works great, others I've had to stop, get off the bike
completely and take the shoes off the pedals and put them on. If your really concerned with time
then I'd practice putting the shoes on once on the bike before the actual race (its not impossible),
but if you don't want to chance it, I'd suggest putting on the shoes in transition and running the
bike out (it'll proably take 10-15 seconds longer). You can run in the shoes even with the
odd-shaped clip on the bottom, just carefully. Hope this helps.

Cheers, Kevin

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Hi,

I have recently switched to clipless pedals, and have the following question. I know that the top
racers keep their cycling shoes clipped in, and just jump on the bike at T1, and then attach them
while riding. Likewise, they detach them before dismounting at T2.

I do not think that I will be able to get comfortable with this anytime soon. So, my question is,
what does everyone else do? I have only done a few triathlons in the past, but some of them had a
fairly long distance from the transition area to when you were allowed to mount the bike. If that
is the case, do people just put on their shoes and run/walk in them until they can mount? Or, do
they run barefoot or in socks until the mounting area, and then put on the shoes? I have Look
brand clips, and it is very uncomfortable to walk in them, let alone run. But, it seems like it
might not be a good idea to stop at the mount area to put on shoes. All advice is appreciated!

Thanks, --David

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A follow up question: I'm new to the sport and will be running my first duathlon in September. Can I get away without using clipless pedals (i.e. running shoes secured to the pedals with toe clips), or is this a total newbie mistake?

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Quoted message said:

From the past triathlons I've raced in, most people either have their shoes already clipped in
prior to mounting the bike and then put there feet in once up to speed, or change into their shoes
in transition and run with shoes on to the mount line. Personally, I've found it a royal pain
trying to get wet feet into the shoes if they're already clipped into the pedals. I've tried it a
few times in the past with varied success, sometimes it works great, others I've had to stop, get
off the bike completely and take the shoes off the pedals and put them on. If your really
concerned with time then I'd practice putting the shoes on once on the bike before the actual race
(its not impossible),

Do NOT do this until you're really comfortable with it. You could easily cause a crash that ends
someone else's day. Taking the shoes *OFF* while on the bike is much easier. Oh, and even if you ARE
good at it, don't do it if there's a climb right out of the transition area like at the Wisconsin
Dells Tinman (I guess unless you're really, really good!).

Quoted message said:

but if you don't want to chance it, I'd suggest putting on the shoes in transition and running the
bike out (it'll proably take 10-15 seconds longer). You can run in the shoes even with the
odd-shaped clip on the bottom, just carefully. Hope this helps.

Running with cycling shoes is annoying, but you can use your bike to balance yourself. This
helps a lot.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."

- Homer J. Simpson

John Hardt said:

David,

Most people I know (who aren't competing for a win) simply put their shoes on in transition and
walk/run/jog their bike to the mount line. I agree with Harold Buck's comment - don't try the
alternative in a race until you're REALLY comfortable with it.

I feel your pain on the part about the shoes being uncomfortable to walk in. My first pair of
shoes/clipless pedals were Carnac shoes with speedplay pedals. The Speedplay cleat was HUGE and I
had several close calls with serious ankle injuries.

Ultimately I solved the problem by switching to mountain bike shoes. The MTB shoes have rubber
"bumps" (normally called cleats, but I'm trying to avoid confusion here) on the bottom of the shoe
that "hide" the metal cleat and don't allow it to touch the ground. I can run in these shoes with
no problem and the they've worked great for about 6 races.

Note: I should have also noted that I dumped the speedplay pedals in favor of SPD's with smaller
cleats. Yes, there are other considerations in choosing a pedal (float etc.) but the SPD's
work for me.

-John

David,

Most people I know (who aren't competing for a win) simply put their shoes on in transition and
walk/run/jog their bike to the mount line. I agree with Harold Buck's comment - don't try the
alternative in a race until you're REALLY comfortable with it.

I feel your pain on the part about the shoes being uncomfortable to walk in. My first pair of
shoes/clipless pedals were Carnac shoes with speedplay pedals. The Speedplay cleat was HUGE and I
had several close calls with serious ankle injuries.

Ultimately I solved the problem by switching to mountain bike shoes. The MTB shoes have rubber
"bumps" (normally called cleats, but I'm trying to avoid confusion here) on the bottom of the shoe
that "hide" the metal cleat and don't allow it to touch the ground. I can run in these shoes with no
problem and the they've worked great for about 6 races.

The real competitors will no doubt argue that MTB shoes don't transfer power as well as road shoes.
I don't really care, I'm not challenging anyone for the win and don't figure 10 seconds is going to
affect me much. I just found a pair with a fairly stiff sole (which affects power transfer) and went
with it. Do whatever works for you.

Good luck, John

Kevin Garnier said:

David,

From the past triathlons I've raced in, most people either have their shoes already clipped in
prior to mounting the bike and then put there feet in once up to speed, or change into their shoes
in transition and run with shoes on to the mount line. Personally, I've found it a royal pain
trying to get wet feet into the shoes if they're already clipped into the pedals. I've tried it a
few times in the past with varied success, sometimes it works great, others I've had to stop, get
off the bike completely and take the shoes off the pedals and put them on. If your really
concerned with time then I'd practice putting the shoes on once on the bike before the actual race
(its not impossible), but if you don't want to chance it, I'd suggest putting on the shoes in
transition and running the bike out (it'll proably take 10-15 seconds longer). You can run in the
shoes even with the odd-shaped clip on the bottom, just carefully. Hope this helps.

Cheers, Kevin

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Quoted message said:

Hi,

I have recently switched to clipless pedals, and have the following question. I know that the top
racers keep their cycling shoes clipped in, and just jump on the bike at T1, and then attach them
while riding. Likewise, they detach them before dismounting at T2.

I do not think that I will be able to get comfortable with this anytime soon. So, my question is,
what does everyone else do? I have only done a few triathlons in the past, but some of them had a
fairly long distance from the transition area to when you were allowed to mount the bike. If that
is the case, do people just put on their shoes and run/walk in them until they can mount? Or, do
they run barefoot or in socks until the mounting area, and then put on the shoes? I have Look
brand clips, and it is very uncomfortable to walk in them, let alone run. But, it seems like it
might not be a good idea to stop at the mount area to put on shoes. All advice is appreciated!

Thanks, --David

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cvcabran said:

A follow up question: I'm new to the sport and will be running my first duathlon in September. Can
I get away without using clipless pedals
(i.e. running shoes secured to the pedals with toe clips), or is this a total newbie mistake?

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IMHO, go with whatever you have for your first race. You'll see people out there with mountain bikes
and basketball shoes.

Once you decide whether or not you like the sport, you can worry about spending big bucks on
new pedals.

John

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Do NOT do this until you're really comfortable with it. You could easily cause a crash that ends
someone else's day. Taking the shoes *OFF* while on the bike is much easier.

This is the method I use. I don't really figure that I would save any time trying to fumble around
with putting on shoes while pedaling. However the entrance to the transition area generally involves
at least some coasting so I slip out of the shoes on the way in.

Quoted message said:

Running with cycling shoes is annoying, but you can use your bike to balance yourself. This
helps a lot.

If you have the SPD cleats with the little rubber bumpers to each side it's not near as bad.

James

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by cvcabran
A follow up question: I'm new to the sport and will be running my first duathlon in September. Can I get away without using clipless pedals (i.e. running shoes secured to the pedals with toe clips), or is this a total newbie mistake?

At the Australian Ironman in April, there was one guy who forgot to pack his cycling shoes into his transition bag. Can you believe he rode the entire 180km with bare feet on Look pedals?

Even so, he still managed to qualify for Hawaii !!!

I also saw a couple of people doing a Half-Ironman on mountain bikes, and getting reasonable times.

So do whatever you want, and have fun. You might even save a few seconds in transistion not having to change shoes. 😉

Regards,
Harrow.

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cvcabran said:

A follow up question: I'm new to the sport and will be running my first duathlon in September. Can
I get away without using clipless pedals
(i.e. running shoes secured to the pedals with toe clips), or is this a total newbie mistake?

Define "get away with."

You can certainly do it, and you'll save time in transitions. It's impossible for us to answer
whether the time you save in transition will be more or less than the time you lose biking by not
using cycling shoes. My guess is that you'd be better off with the running shoes as a beginner.

Unless you're worried about earning a medal, I'd say do what you're most comfortable with,
and have fun!

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."

- Homer J. Simpson

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Harrow said:

cvcabran said:

A follow up question: I'm new to the sport and will be running my first duathlon in September.
Can I get away without using clipless pedals
(i.e. running shoes secured to the pedals with toe clips), or is this a total newbie mistake?

At the Australian Ironman in April, there was one guy who forgot to pack his cycling shoes into
his transition bag. Can you believe he rode the entire 180km with bare feet on Look pedals?

That's impressive, although so is the story about the guy at Ironman Lake Placid a few years back
who did the whole race in a T-shirt and cutoff jeans. Oh, and he did the bike on a single-speed with
a banana seat (or so they say).

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."

- Homer J. Simpson

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Harrow
At the Australian Ironman in April, there was one guy who forgot to pack his cycling shoes into his transition bag. Can you believe he rode the entire 180km with bare feet on Look pedals?

Even so, he still managed to qualify for Hawaii !!!

I also saw a couple of people doing a Half-Ironman on mountain bikes, and getting reasonable times.

So do whatever you want, and have fun. You might even save a few seconds in transistion not having to change shoes. 😉

Regards,
Harrow.

P.S. Here's the photo to prove it !

http://www.ironmanoz.com/words-gall.asp?id=2003&offset=5

Now that's dedication.

Jim

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Harrow said:

At the Australian Ironman in April, there was one guy who forgot to

pack

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

his cycling shoes into his transition bag. Can you believe he rode the entire 180km with bare
feet on Look pedals? Even so, he still managed to qualify for Hawaii !!! I also saw a couple
of people doing a Half-Ironman on mountain bikes, and getting reasonable times. So do whatever
you want, and have fun. You might even save a few

seconds

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in transistion not having to change shoes. 😉 Regards, Harrow.

P.S. Here's the photo to prove it !

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Here's my two cents worth.

I started with new shoes this year. I was intent on trying the pro method of clipping the shoes in
and running through transition barefoot. Until I tried it in my driveway.

I plan to put my shoes on, and run through transition..Hopefully I can get to the race early enough
to get a spot relatively close to the exit so I don't have to run too far. My main concern is I use
Speedplays, and the cleat is very high, and has a steel plate on the bottom. Steel and asphalt make
for a slippery combo, but I think if I am careful, I will be ok.

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Hi,

I have recently switched to clipless pedals, and have the following question. I know that the top
racers keep their cycling shoes clipped in, and just jump on the bike at T1, and then attach them
while riding. Likewise, they detach them before dismounting at T2.

I do not think that I will be able to get comfortable with this anytime soon. So, my question is,
what does everyone else do? I have only done a few triathlons in the past, but some of them had a
fairly long distance from the transition area to when you were allowed to mount the bike. If that
is the case, do people just put on their shoes and run/walk in them until they can mount? Or, do
they run barefoot or in socks until the mounting area, and then put on the shoes? I have Look
brand clips, and it is very uncomfortable to walk in them, let alone run. But, it seems like it
might not be a good idea to stop at the mount area to put on shoes. All advice is appreciated!

Thanks, --David

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Harold Buck said:

That's impressive, although so is the story about the guy at Ironman Lake Placid a few years back
who did the whole race in a T-shirt and cutoff jeans. Oh, and he did the bike on a single-speed
with a banana seat (or so they say).

I'm an eyewitness. He did it last year.

He swam in baggies without a wetsuit, too.

Mike Tennent "IronPenguin"

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Harold Buck said:

That's impressive, although so is the story about the guy at Ironman Lake Placid a few years back
who did the whole race in a T-shirt and cutoff jeans. Oh, and he did the bike on a single-speed
with a banana seat (or so they say).

I'm an eyewitness. He did it last year.

He swam in baggies without a wetsuit, too.

So who's more nuts? Him or the guy who does the Vegas marathon in a full leather Elvis suit?

James

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Harold Buck said:

That's impressive, although so is the story about the guy at Ironman Lake Placid a few years
back who did the whole race in a T-shirt and cutoff jeans. Oh, and he did the bike on a
single-speed with a banana seat (or so they say).

I'm an eyewitness. He did it last year.

He swam in baggies without a wetsuit, too.

So who's more nuts? Him or the guy who does the Vegas marathon in a full leather Elvis suit?

Neither. It's the guy who does the marathons in an old-style diver's suit (several hundred
pounds, I think).

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."

- Homer J. Simpson

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Harold Buck <[email hidden]> wrote:
>That's impressive, although so is the story about the guy at Ironman Lake Placid a few years
>back who did the whole race in a T-shirt and cutoff jeans. Oh, and he did the bike on a
>single-speed with a banana seat (or so they say).
>

I'm an eyewitness. He did it last year.

He swam in baggies without a wetsuit, too.

So who's more nuts? Him or the guy who does the Vegas marathon in a

full

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leather Elvis suit?

Neither. It's the guy who does the marathons in an old-style diver's suit (several hundred pounds,
I think).

Yea but the Elvis dude actually runs....and puts in a good time at that.

James

I use bike shoes with clipless and practice getting them on an off fast. It takes seconds
with practice.

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Hi,

I have recently switched to clipless pedals, and have the following question. I know that the top
racers keep their cycling shoes clipped in, and just jump on the bike at T1, and then attach them
while riding. Likewise, they detach them before dismounting at T2.

--David

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